Moyes So Far!

[ciderman9000000]

It's perfectly fine to discuss his pros and cons. But when one of the cons is basically "Failed to convince man who wanted to spend more time with his family to not do that", it's a bit pointless. Add that to the fact he's only been in the job two weeks.

That's it. We've played one friendly ffs.

 

[Shinjisan]

Popcorn in the oven...this is going to be good. A war between the oppressed and the oppressor.

Redcafe summer uprising!

 

[Genius Me!]

It's perfectly fine to discuss his pros and cons. But when one of the cons is basically "Failed to convince man who wanted to spend more time with his family to not do that", it's a bit pointless. Add that to the fact he's only been in the job two weeks.

Just look at the cons listed, they're a joke and people wonder why the thread gets trolled. Hardly good discussion can be had from that OP.

 

[Genius Me!]

Education: a PHD in intellectual studies at Oxford University
Salary: £170k per annum plus bonuses
Key Achievements: not starting this thread

That's also one of my key achievements. I'll go one better and say that I was the first to call it shit, ooo yeah points for me.

 

[JaffyJoe]

Wow lots of intellectual responses here. Moyes is our first new manager in 26 years. Is it really such a big deal to look at the detail of his contribution as he progresses as manager here. Ferguson survived risks of being sacked in the early years because of a lot of great work behind the scenes so why not look at Moyes the same way. At least that way if it came to poor results we could look at the wider picture of what he is trying to achieve.

Too soon, he has officially been manager two weeks.

 

[togg]

Just look at the cons listed, they're a joke and people wonder why the thread gets trolled. Hardly good discussion can be had from that OP.

not disagreeing with you..but if it's so obviously a weak thread, just ignore it, it soon disappears down the order....into obscurity

woops..just bumped it again...

 

[ciderman9000000]

I think everybody in this forum want's Moyes to succeed. It's sad that there is no room to discuss his pros and cons, even if it is only two weeks since he started.

There's plenty of room in the Moyes thread.

 

[Revan]

Arguably positive: nothing

Arguably negative: The reason why there is no world peace. Moyes out!

Seriously, one of the worst threads I have ever seen here. I don't agree with any of the 'arguably negative' reasons you mentioned.

 

[ciderman9000000]

not disagreeing with you..but if it's so obviously a weak thread, just ignore it, it soon disappears down the order....into obscurity

woops..just bumped it again...

You didn't ignore it. Your first post was:

No...just no....

 

[Genius Me!]

not disagreeing with you..but if it's so obviously a weak thread, just ignore it, it soon disappears down the order....into obscurity

woops..just bumped it again...

I think it's best to inform the author of its weakness so that he can take something positive out of it and make his next thread stronger.

 

[7even]

It's perfectly fine to discuss his pros and cons. But when one of the cons is basically "Failed to convince man who wanted to spend more time with his family to not do that", it's a bit pointless. Add that to the fact he's only been in the job two weeks.

I agree with you but why murder a poster because of this? Give him counter arguments and share your view.

To read comments from Cider and Charliesurf is painful and embarrassing. Cider is a smart intellectual guy but he use his talent in the wrong way. No offence Cider but some of your comments are just sad and stupid. Be better and share your wisdom in a positive way, is it so hard to sometimes be nice to people you don't know even if you don't agree with them?

 

[RedSky]

Feel free to add, but I thought it would be useful to have a running list of key events since Moyes has started

Arguably Positive

• Says Rooney not for sale and good relationship
• £12m Baines bid (at this price I would suggest represents value)
• Positive steps in making Giggs and Neville coaches (maintain the knowledge and experience of success)
• Zaha will get chances (looks like a player that could make a difference, makes sense to use him)

Arguably Not so Positive

• René Meulensteen not convinced to stay on after so much positive talk about him from players over the last couple of years.
• Eric Steele not convinced to stay on after so much positive talk around De Gea and learning Spanish. Possibly upsetting the apple cart in an unnecessary way.
• No conversation to be had over renewing Rooney's contract, adding risk to us losing him at a stupidly low value, similar to what happened with Berbatov.
• Failure to convince Scholes to be a coach straight away. Completely fair point that Scholes wanted a break and knowing Scholes no one would have changed his mind. So it goes on this list, but not a biggy.
• Statement of unlimited budget (great to give the fans something to be excited about, but bound to slow negotiations for players if the other club feels we have plenty of funds to pay more!)
• Singha All-Stars 1 - 0 Manchester United. May just be a pre-season friendly and the first of them and may have been with a lot of younger players, but this was Moyes first game in charge and as such it would have been nice to get a win and show a statement of intent. Instead we went out with a whimper and just a couple of players showing glimpses of potential. However, potential is often not enough when what we really want is quality ready to get first team starts (see point below!).
• ThiagOFF! Yes there may be the Pep factor, but there are always factors and you have to convince someone why they should sign for you and no one else. Thiago looks far more ready for our first team than any of our young midfielders.

Where the feck is the mention of Phelan? MENTION PHELAN.

 

[ciderman9000000]

I've just read the OP again

 

[Genius Me!]

Ciderman whilst you're here and this thread is a bit of a bomb site, will you be playing in the next werewolf now that you're back in the general?

 

[Dante]

Negative: He couldn't find them when the postman knocked on the door to deliver a parcel, and now he has to go to pick it up at the sorting office tomorrow.

Positive: They were on the dresser.

 

[Genius Me!]

Where the feck is the mention of Phelan? MENTION PHELAN.

Definitely a negative allowing Phelan to just leave.

 

[Shinjisan]

I agree with you but why murder a poster because of this? Give him counter arguments and share your view.

To read comments from Cider and Charliesurf is painful and embarrassing. Cider is a smart intellectual guy but he use his talent in the wrong way. No offence Cider but some of your comments are just sad and stupid. Be better and share your wisdom in a positive way, is it so hard to sometimes be nice to people you don't know even if you don't agree with them?

With great power, comes great responsibility...not something that Cider understands.

 

[.Rossi]

Hasn't fought hard enough for the working man's struggle against the tyranny of the Government
Has a shit haircut!

A disgrace to Manchester United

 

[Moby]

The OP must get a tagline of being a knee jerk.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Positives

Already broken a world record for the longest vacation ever.

 

[Ish]

Shit, I thought this was a timeline of all Moyes' interviews, press conferences, functions/dinners and award ceremonies he'll be attending this season!

Too soon to discuss most of what's in the OP IMO.

 

[ciderman9000000]

Ciderman whilst you're here and this thread is a bit of a bomb site, will you be playing in the next werewolf now that you're back in the general?

I'd love to but I'm currently banned from the general, man.

 

[SteveJ]

Positive: *He's been given a key to the Manchester United Manager's office.

Negative: *He's been given a key to the Manchester United Manager's office.
*He's lost his car keys.
*Alicia Keys.
*Richard Keys.

 

[RedSky]

I'd say the loss to Singha All-Stars is a clear indication that Dave cannot set teams up for European football. He needs to do some research and read a few books.
trollolol
I'd also mention the fact he went on holiday when he should have been scouting for us and making a list of targets he wants us to sign. Poor planning.

 

[Shinjisan]

Positives

Already broken a world record for the longest vacation ever.

Not to be pedant, but shouldn't that go under "Not so positive"?

 

[Genius Me!]

I'd love to but I'm currently banned from the general, man.

Oh really? I thought they let you back on since we changed to the new site. That's a shame.

 

[Hitchcocker]

Education: a PHD in intellectual studies at Oxford University
Salary: £170k per annum plus bonuses
Key Achievements: not starting this thread

 

[ghaliboy]

If you don't think the thread has any point, stay out of it. People just come, laugh and say stupid and sarcastic things. It's a forum with tens of thousands of members, even if you don't like a thread, there is a good chance atleast 10 might, don't spoil it for them.

One of my favourite things about the Caf is the Moderation tolerance to calling a shit cnut a shit cnut and calling a shit thread a shit thread.

In this case; Shit thread.

 

[Shinjisan]

One of my favourite things about the Caf is the Moderation tolerance to calling a shit cnut a shit cnut.
Shit thread.

Shit cnut.

 

[Eto'odinho]

I quite like how he responds in defeat

On missing out a transfer target: "I never said at any time that he was [a target]."

On a pre-season game: " If I am going to lose any game then in relative terms it is not of the biggest importance", paraphrazed to "I never said at any time that we had to win it"

 

[LR7]

I think the Caf built up the Thiago to United transfer so much that us not getting him is hard to take for a few members. I'm pretty sure ths thread wouldn't exist had we signed him.

It's definitely too premature to be listing Moyes pros and cons. I genuinely worry about the reaction amongst sections of our support should we go through a bad patch during the season.

 

[ghaliboy]

Shit cnut.

Touché.

 

[Brightonian]

He didn't convince Cantona or Van Nistelrooy to come and coach either, and he's yet to make the required offering of seven finest quality Russian hats to Sir Bobby. Why the feck aren't those on the list?

 

[Genius Me!]

Shit cnut.

Shit cnut in a shit thread.

 

[Revan]

I'd say the loss to Singha All-Stars is a clear indication that Dave cannot set teams up for European football. He needs to do some research and read a few books.
trollolol
I'd also mention the fact he went on holiday when he should have been scouting for us and making a list of targets he wants us to sign. Poor planning.

Fully agree RedSky. If he's not good at reading, I think that there are plenty of online tutorials about coaching.

And for feck sake, if he cannot win against a team of Thailand, just imagine how clueless he'll be against the likes of Bayern and Barca.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

It's perfectly fine to discuss his pros and cons. But when one of the cons is basically "Failed to convince man who wanted to spend more time with his family to not do that", it's a bit pointless. Add that to the fact he's only been in the job two weeks.

I called this out as a small point, maybe you should read the whole sentence and maybe you should learn to take things in context.

The reason it made the list is because it was something Moyes wanted to happen and it didn't. A great leader can often inspire people to do what they didn't initially want to do and if done well can convince the person that actually it should have been what they wanted all along.

 

[RedSky]

Fully agree RedSky. If he's not good at reading, I think that there are plenty of online tutorials about coaching.

And for feck sake, if he cannot win against a team of Thailand, just imagine how clueless he'll be against the likes of Bayern and Barca.

This does indeed concern me. We'll be lucky to qualify for Europa League tbh.

 

[Genius Me!]

Oh solius got told, go back to school and learn to read sunshine.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

When you list failing to keep staff, that he most probably wanted to get rid of in order to stamp his mark on the club amongst the "non positive" attributes, you're off to a controversial start. Then we move onto the loss in the friendly where you moan about the young players that Moyes didn't sign, or develop. And the Thiago thing, which has all been based on speculation and we may never have even been interested.

Not a great start.

By all means you can make the counter argument about stamping his mark, but if someone stamps their mark and doesn't achieve it will be their mark that will be questioned and as such if you change a good thing for your devices and it doesn't work out you should be held accountable. So whilst I agree with your point that it could work out and could be a positive (as I mentioned "arguably") all we have to go on currently is the facts, which are previous coaches that were highly rated have not been retained and in replacement we have coaches from a lower level club that don't have the experience of winning. But yes by all means I would hope and take the argument that they are just as skilled or even more skilled and simply required the opportunity to shine.

And yes Thiago could be purely speculation, but often there is no smoke without out fire, especially with quite so much said about it. Again though I'll highlight why I used the word "arguably". At least half of what is often discussed on this thread is about speculation and you can only react with the best of your knowledge. Naturally if you were picking positives and negatives from within Old Trafford I am sure the list would look very different!

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

Too soon, he has officially been manager two weeks.

Too soon for what, to start a thread that builds up the key achievements and points where he has fallen short. This is something that builds over time, as with any other thread. If this was a "shall we sack Moyes" thread then yes agreed, it would be retarded, it would be stupid, but this thread is not that. It is simply a qualitative assessment of Moyes actions, which in reality is a summary of everything this forum is about!