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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I don't mind spending all our transfer kitty on Bale this summer, even go without signing a midfielder yet again. Lets pay them 60m cash and get our man!
How bout offering them 50m and Nani? They can have Young too for free if they want.
How about 48m and Nani and Young? You are a poor negotiator, RedRonaldo.
Sounds great, but while we're at it why not throw Ando in too?
We're going for unrealistic transfer targets here. There is no chance we'll land Bale simply because Daniel Levy will not sell. And as long as Bale is under contract that's it. End of story. Similar with Fabregas, Barcelona would be mad to accept a bid from us. Nothing to do with our approach to transfers or our reputation or whether or not we have sufficient gravitas as a club. Clubs aren't going to accept bids for their best players.
Clubs very often accept bids for their best players. In fact they do it all the time.
That is when the player wants to leave, or the club want to sell. Most often it is the former. In both case, I don't see it happening for Fabregas and Bale, but what if Bale wants CL football this coming season.. its not impossible.
We accepted a bid for Ronaldo and Arsenal did for RVP, I'm well aware. But if your Tottenham, he's there best player by a mile and he's not agitating for a move like Ronaldo did. So why would they sell? If they got 60mil from us they wouldn't be able to attract the players they would like because they aren't playing in the CL. Selling him would be detrimental to their club. If the player doesn't want to move and the club isn't in desperate need of the $$$ then I think any transfer is unlikely.
Levy ain't letting him go.
They could do with himI reckon he wouldn't mind playing for some club in Bavaria.
It is not that simple.
£60m is more than 1/3rd of Spurs revenue for the 2012-2013 season. It is a huge amount that can buy you 2-3 players, who can better the impact Bale had on the team last season. Spurs also have plans to construct a new 56k seat stadium. A sum that big can help them with that while allowing them to maintain their position in the league table.
At the end of the day it will be a business decision more than a sentimental one. I don't believe that there is "no way" we can get him.
There are ways we could get him I agree. But he signed a new contract earlier this year or late last year so Spurs have all the power not him. If he's under contract and the chairman isn't willing to sell, what can we do? Nothing! The whole point of signing a contract is that its legally enforceable. It is that simple!
I am sure we didnt want to sell Ronaldo either and he was on a long term contract but if the player wants to move and the club is being offered good money, more often than not the deal goes through. 60 million is a lot of money and If Bale insists he wants to move, this deal will go through.
I did not argue that. Ofcourse both the selling club and the player have to be willing in order for the move to happen. That is a given.
I made a point that it might not be as unfathomable as some people on here think.
I think the Fabregas transfer is more likely than Bale, even with a £60m bid. Levy is incredibly stubborn.
No matter how loyal a player is to a club at some point they would want to elevate themselves. In Bale's case he seems at a constant level two seasons in a row by barely missing out on the champions league once again. If there is a serious offer on the table from united it won't be a tough decision for Bale. A player who holds Ronaldo in high regards won't have any issues to follow his career path also. Loyalty aside signing for united is a guaranteed ticket to the champions league.
I had this thought when watching Bale: If some inbred fecker with a tail starts playing soccer, can he use his tail to dribble the ball?
60m for Bale would be a decent price in the sugar daddy era. It would be a decent fee if he winds up as a top five footballer in the world type player, which looks increasingly likely.
I also don't think they're likely to get a better offer either. At the moment their ability to potentially charge this amount is dependent to a degree on his consent to remain there. What I mean is that he isn't kicking up a stink and seems content to give them one more season. If they fail to reach the CL again next year I don't think he'll be so happy to remain and try getting £60m for him in summer 2014 under those circumstances. I don't think they will.
And which club is more suited to catapult a young talented player to greatness..United of course.
I think the time is now to maximize on their gain in terms of monetary value and for him he has the opportunity play with one of the best clubs in the world.
If there was a serious offer from United and I was Bale, I would stay. Spurs are keeping their best players these days and are an iota away from consolidating themselves as a top four side. The Champions League football will eventually come and if I were truly ambitious, what better way to act on that ambition than to propel "bottlers" Tottenham to success.
Also from Spurs point of view is Bale alone worth more than three £20m rated players?
It's the Gerrard situation with Liverpool. For years by far their best player but almost irrelevant as they never had anyone close. If they had sold for £40m as rumoured to be offered and bought two or three more top class players (aside from the fact they were managed by a clown) it could have meant the team improved more than it would with Gerrard.
Of course and a club tend to become predictable when they don't switch it up a bit. New players would have resulted in different playing styles which could have been used to their advantage.
But at what cost and how many seasons ? You have to take into consideration he isn't getting any younger and there will come a point where he isn't regarded as a good value to another club because of his age. They will be better and younger players he would have to compete with and changing clubs will become more difficult.
Whether he's still marketable or has a lofty price tag is really for Levy to mull over. He's twenty four, so he still has a good two years to try to win things with Tottenham before digging out a back door. Any reason for Bale to jump ship at this point in time is because of ambition and all I am saying is that there is good reason to be loyal to Spurs and it is not as pronounced as you put it.
Though, AVB leaving can certainly change things up.
Though, AVB leaving can certainly change things up.
Sure that's a nice dream and everything, but chances are once liverpool get their act together again they will be challenging, and arsenal are always a threat - Tottenham need to seriously improve their depth in attacking positions if they want to get anywhere near.
Bale risks being the new Alan shearer if he stays too long at Tottenham. Sure 1 more year will not hurt, but if he wants to establish his name as 1 of he worlds big players, he needs to leave Tottenham to 1 of the worlds giants.
He is already regarded as the best player in the league. He has just come off his best season yet with Spurs and to feck off when the wind's clearly at his back is not too obvious of a career move. Stay a year and I am confident he'll get his European experience.
So he stays one more year; maybe Spurs get fourth place in the coming season. So he stays another year to play in the Champions League; seeded poorly Spurs seriously struggle to get out of the group stages.
What's the point in that?
Move to a top European side right now and Bale could be a CL winner in ten months time!
He's playing for a side that will and have struggled to make the CL. How long can a player with his potential go at his stage of his career without being tested and challenged at the highest level? Three years? Four?
Spurs not making top 4 next season isn't exactly a small possibility. If that happens he'll be nearly 27 by the time he gets his next taste of Champions League football. If you think a player with Bale's potential/ability won't be hindered significantly spending effectively five or six seasons without top level European competition then I'd completely disagree with you.
If he stays at Spurs you may as well dub him Tottenham's Alan Shearer because he won't be the hottest, sought after property around forever. His trajectory as a player won't continue upwards if he continues to go unchallenged at the highest level.
My point is that as things stand Levy is unwilling to sell and it doesn't matter what we do as a club, its entirely down to his decision to accept the bid or not. If Bale wanted to engineer a move away he made a big mistake signing a new deal either this year. Bale has another 4 years (or however long the deal is) at the club whether he likes it or not.
I think the only way we would land him is if we offered ridiculous money that is too good to refuse. We will do that? I've no idea because I've got no idea what Woodward will be like compared to Gill, maybe he'll be more willing to spend- who knows. Personally I think the whole thing is unlikely mostly because Levy is such a shrewd dealer in the transfer market and after the Berbatov transfer I see him unlikely doing business with us full stop.
Levy isn't really in that strong a position. Spurs aren't like United or Chelsea who could realistically soak up not getting the most out of an asset. Spurs have been without CL football for a long time by what must have been their financial expectations and they've got a new stadium to finance. If Bale insisted on an out I think it'd be more difficult for Spurs than most. Same goes for Arsenal due to their circumstances too.
Yeah, that's all possible. But I am saying that it's not too big a risk to take and certainly not as clear cut a decision some are making it out to be. Let's say Spurs do get that fourth place spot and they do tumble out of the group stages. Well, he can just leave then. He'll be 25. Right now, Bale knows the water's warm out there, but he also knows that he's shit hot because of his stunning season in the league with Spurs so why not stay just a year and avoid running the risk of a transitional period at another club.
Why is it any more a risk joining someone else now than it would be then?
He's 24, he's hardly some 19 year old kid just breaking through. These should be his peak years as a footballer.
Bale will leave, there's no guarantee he'll have as good a season as he just had and delaying it is not beneficial for Spurs and him. Levy will do his usual posturing and sell him as soon as he gets a bid he thinks is high enough.
I think if Spurs get the CL, they'll invest enough to be successful. The above was just a response to Cider to show that even if they flop in Europe, he can move then without a huge opportunity cost. Obviously, I made a big assumption in that if he stays, he'll have a greater likelihood of continuing his form/progress.
True, this is the season where he can get the maximum money for Bale. I can't understand why Bale is not desperate to leave!!
Why would you say that? Berbatov refused to train and they still squeezed every penny out of us, Modric made it clear he wanted to leave last summer but they turned down £40m from Chelsea.
Well their circumstances have changed since the Berbatov one. I think there's a difference between a mid-table side who don't particularly need the money playing hardball and a side who is failing their new (since) ambition of making the top 4 being in a position to turn down a sum of money that could be enough, if spent wisely, to achieve their aims.
£30m for Spurs who finished 8th or 9th or wherever it was is all very nice. But £60m for a Spurs that has now agonizingly missed out on CL a few times now I think is an entirely different kettle of fish. Oddly they were in a stronger position with Berbatov. If they hold on to Bale that's a good few years where they may have fallen below their own income expectations.
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