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I get you mate, I made the same comparison to Ronaldo in the first game I believe - I think they were very similar in style. But like you said, a lot of people assumed he'd play as an out-and-out winger. I made him a right attacking midfielder to try and depict the fact that he wasn't that prone of going wide. I think I only forgot to name positions in the final.In my opinion, I thought that the idea of using Stoichkov as a right winger and for people to assume that he would provide width - as most of the time he is falsely represented as a winger in his prime - could have very easily been called out on. Bulgaria played a 4-4-2/3-5-2 for the span of the World Cup, with the wide players providing width.
Stoichkov is sort of a natural left-sided player (I've never seen him play in Bulgaria) but he was the type of player that insisted on attacking through central areas. If there was a modern-day footballer to compare his tendencies and attacking movement with, it would almost certainly be Cristiano Ronaldo.
I just thought that it was interesting how it was never called out on, especially when he was played as a right winger. He played nothing of the sort and a couple of posters thought he was the type of footballer to play as a touchline winger at times with their comments. I can understand the logic of him cutting onto his stronger left foot but that's besides the point...
I don't really have a problem with it, it's just that the fiasco about players not in position or them not being in a proper setup comes to mind. You had a brilliant team, by the way. You'd literally have to pick at feathers to downplay the options you had.
I would be interested in playing this new type of draft style if there is space available, @AldoPaine18
Incidentally I have played that one as well.I also have another idea btw, it has each manager being given a pot of transfer funds and bidding for players
That sounds good as well!I also have another idea btw, it has each manager being given a pot of transfer funds and bidding for players
And I thought I would be the pioneerIncidentally I have played that one as well.
We call it an Auction Draft. I really suck at managing funds.
Yeah will do it in a while.Aldo perhaps starting a new thread for it will result more entries?
Ofc that's how he is posting hereIs Pippa promoted ?
It's probably a reflection that Anto was doing the majority of the calling out of in-game issues, but his major (and justified) hard-on for Barca Stoichkov made it less likely for him to do so.In my opinion, I thought that the idea of using Stoichkov as a right winger and for people to assume that he would provide width - as most of the time he is falsely represented as a winger in his prime - could have very easily been called out on. Bulgaria played a 4-4-2/3-5-2 for the span of the World Cup, with the wide players providing width.
Stoichkov is sort of a natural left-sided player (I've never seen him play in Bulgaria) but he was the type of player that insisted on attacking through central areas. If there was a modern-day footballer to compare his tendencies and attacking movement with, it would almost certainly be Cristiano Ronaldo.
I just thought that it was interesting how it was never called out on, especially when he was played as a right winger. He played nothing of the sort and a couple of posters thought he was the type of footballer to play as a touchline winger at times with their comments. I can understand the logic of him cutting onto his stronger left foot but that's besides the point...
I don't really have a problem with it, it's just that the fiasco about players not in position or them not being in a proper setup comes to mind. You had a brilliant team, by the way. You'd literally have to pick at feathers to downplay the options you had.
I would be interested in playing this new type of draft style if there is space available, @AldoPaine18
Maybe this lanman fellah can fill you in on the relative advantages and disadvantages? I think it's far better this way. See below, straight after reporting stage 1 picks.Nah the next criteria was given after the round was over. Always the case in both formats of the sheep draft.
That's the second attempt of the same round.Maybe this lanman fellah can fill you in on the relative advantages and disadvantages? I think it's far better this way. See below, straight after reporting stage 1 picks.
We cleared that early on re: attacking positions being more flexible as you need to recognise how frontlines have evolved from W, to M, to pairs to lone man upfront. Ultimately, if it was a misfit it would be obvious (e.g. no one liked Hagi on the wing, it wasn't about being out of position, just not seeing him being anywhere near as good).I think it's interesting that in a draft where much of the points centred on positions and "how to get the best out of your players", not a single word was brought up about Stoichkov being played out of position through the entire draft; he of course played as a second striker for Bulgaria in 1994.
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I never for one minute saw him as a line-hugging winger. I even pointed out I thought that was a defensive wing, the penetration would happen at the other end and Stoichkov would rip a new one into Bobby Carlos at the far post (very much second striker type stuff). In fact, I can see an overhead kick attempt or two (from Bobby I mean)It's probably a reflection that Anto was doing the majority of the calling out of in-game issues, but his major (and justified) hard-on for Barca Stoichkov made it less likely for him to do so.
Watch the post immediately after! That's the entire point, after reporting first attempts they already gave the next question so people had something to keep themselves entertained and didn't get antsy. It effectively means that, by the time of the deadline, the question has been out in the open for three days. Plenty of time to do the legwork, no excuses for missing deadlines, etc.That's the second attempt of the same round.
Thanks a lot mate! The damn restrictions proved to be a nightmare in the end but otherwise Cafu-Moore-Maldini-Facchetti would be playing in that defense!It's probably a reflection that Anto was doing the majority of the calling out of in-game issues, but his major (and justified) hard-on for Barca Stoichkov made it less likely for him to do so.
Congrats to Annah by the way: hard to conceive of a stronger midfield and strikeforce spine.
I disagree about the restrictions, they were fine and if you got in trouble it was your own doing. If they stopped you fielding Cafú as eye candy in a game where Lahm was more than enough, I'd say all the better. Way too many cracking players get tossed aside for no good footballing reason, if restrictions help prevent it I'm all for them.Thanks a lot mate! The damn restrictions proved to be a nightmare in the end but otherwise Cafu-Moore-Maldini-Facchetti would be playing in that defense!
I think at the end of the day the restrictions turned it slightly too much about luck. I'd say the draft would have been better with 2 out of those 3 restrictions(WC/Continent/Pre 72).
I disagree with that. You could play him on the left side, because he has experience playing from the left. But at the World Cup in 1994 he strictly played in the middle, almost like how he was playing for Barça during 1992-1994. His best form came playing through the centre, where in the 1993-94 season he struck up a great partnership with Romário. There was a comparison of each Barça "dream team" and their formations, this is how the 1991-92 European Cup winning Barça side was depicted:I don't think there was any need for a call-out with Stoichkov. For my money he would clearly work more than fine in that role. Second striker, schmecond schmiker - he habitually played wide-ish, cut in from a wide position, even provided crosses from out wide (and brilliant ones too). So, if the issue is whether Annah used him out of position, I'd say: nay, he didn't. And that goes for Bulgaria '94 too. They didn't play a rigid formation. You could even claim they sported a 4-3-3/3-4-3 of sorts - which was very much the new thing in town at the time. Stoichkov and Kostadinov as wide forwards or whatever you want to call it.
Don't ever make that point in the Cristiano Ronaldo thread . You'll regret it. You get stick instantly because Cristiano scores so many goals 'despite' being a winger and therefore already surpassed all the great goalscoring strikers with ease. It's not worth the fight.I wouldn't say "of course he is a winger". I mean, he's just as much of a "winger" as Cristiano has been for the past 4 years or so, which just isn't true. Almost all of Stoichkov's danger came through the middle. His best form came through playing in the centre. He won European Footballer of the Year in a season where he played almost exclusively as a partner with Romário, and as a nominal centre forward for Bulgaria. You posted something about Stoichkov being a "wide forward known for explosive acceleration [...]", where did you retrieve that sort of information?
Ronaldo/Stoichkov are not playing the same role as a striker - or anything near it. I think it is easier to argue for their playing style being a "kind of winger" than a striker.Don't ever make that point in the Cristiano Ronaldo thread . You'll regret it. You get stick instantly because Cristiano scores so many goals 'despite' being a winger and therefore already surpassed all the great goalscoring strikers with ease. It's not worth the fight.
Yeah, to use a FM term, he is a wing forward.Comparing Nani's role at United with Ronaldo's role at Real makes no sense. Ronaldo usually stays further up the pitch than Benzema, the whole team in the last years was setup to get Ronaldo at the end of the final ball, which made sense because you want the player with the best finishing ability there, not Benzema. Özil was mainly drifting to the right, Benzema was dragging defenders out of position and Ronaldo made those brilliant runs behind the defense. Ronaldo was nothing like a winger and that has nothing to do with modern football. There were 2nd strikers/wide forwards who played off a central striker in every decade and a lot of them were the main goalscorer in their team. Cristiano is probably the best out of them all, but it's still a role that is closer to a forward/striker than to a winger. Just like it was with Stoichkov and Rummenigge.
Yeah and I think Barca has suffered as a result. Their last two CL exits are testament to this. Against Chelsea they had no plans to break down Chelsea other than passing to Messi. Against Bayern, with an inured Messi they were made to look like a pub team.It's a bit of a fallacy that Ronaldo, or Messi for that matter, score so many goals despite being a winger/second striker/whatever. Both of their teams are built around getting the maximum number of goals out of them. Ronaldo is a free-roaming goalscorer who has zero defensive responsibilities and whose average position on the park is as high as any centre-forward. The same thing applies about Messi being a 'false no9' - there's nothing false about a no9 who nets 91 goals in a year, and for Barcelona it's all about maximising his goal return.
Wwhere did you get that image from? Because Kicker had a different variant of that team, as well as the New York Times, Mundo Deportivo, and ABC. They all viewed Stoichkov as a centre forward, not as a left winger as that image depicts. And on the topic of Kicker, I would only assume that they would provide accurate summaries of the matches of the German National Team, considering how they have been described as "Germany's leading sports magazine" - I would have to ask @Balu for a confirmation? Anyways, they called it a partnership between Stoichkov and Kostadinov.The famous QF against Germany in 1994.
I think that term is very good, even then I'd like to add free roled-wing forward to highlight how they no matter where you place them will appear in the "holes" of the enemy defense.Yeah, to use a FM term, he is a wing forward.
This, it was about Hagi and Zidane as a combo, not about Hagi being out of position.I also think Hagi's critique was more due to his playing style rather than him having played in that position. If I remember correctly, I haven't double checked this at all. I think people just considered him and Zidane to not be a partnership that would turn each other better but instead may try to do the same job.