That's what I feared with Moyes if he was given the summer window, I really thought the likes of Chicharito, Kagawa will have left. I'm just glad that it's a lot less likely to happen now.
Is anybody backtracking?
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Bizarre, isn't it? It's like he's the only manager in the world who works hard.What? When did hardworking become the be all and end all for top managers? Can you name a single top manager who's famous for being LAZY?
It actually feels like we've won a cup with the sacking of Moyes. Best news all season.
Any of them rhyme with 'Toyes?'
He wasn't the right man for the job, out of his depth. Better for all parties it ended now, even if by all accounts the player's behaviour was awful.
because people get emotional in the aftermath of results for one. secondly, we find oursleves in a completely unique position so that may elicit some new feelings. some information, not always concrete, that has come out since the sacking may change opinions on the problems. because like a million other things in life your opinion can be changed once you get what you want.....
I'd always support a manager in his first few years but I cant really complain about his sacking.
I think some of the players we've got are disgusting though
I think some of the players we've got are disgusting though
Just because someone works hard doesn't mean they should be kept in a job. If they're incompetent but hard working you don't keep them. Someone damaging a company but working hard - you don't keep them. Someone out of their depth but hard working - you don't keep them. Keeping someone just because they work hard can, and often is, a recipe for disaster.
Honesty, hardworking, integrity seems to be the only 3 things positive they can come up with.
I'm not entirely convinced that an honest manager is a good manager, Sir Alex, Mourinho & co all said whatever fitted their agenda at any given time. Even Wenger has his "I zid not zee ze inzident".
Again, I'm sure pretty much every manager managing a top flight club is hard working.
Integrity, this one is a bit difficult, can a dishonest person have integrity or does it run deeper?
why are they disgusting?
Not that our players are any angels but the player power increases when there is no general structure and stability over them, as happens at places like Chelsea while our players seldom had that opportunity. So if they are as bad as the others, this is the first time they've shown it. There were rumors of our players being rude towards Queiroz for his OCD-like preparation tendencies but they always respected him for the end product and producing a champions league for their dedication.
That's a bit like what my golf coach told me when I was a kid "Practice does not make perfect, it just makes thing permanent". Make sure you get your swing right before practising, otherwise you get used to a wrong swing.
Some people are under the illusion that players are machines and should just do whatever any manager tell them to do without thinking.
It's like those people have never worked under an incompetent superior.
I feel like there is some players who thought they were better than Moyes. Who would never give him a chance.
I must admit, other than Nelson Mandela, I've never witnessed a man receive so much praise for his integrity and determination. Perhaps David's talents would be best served as a human rights activist in Syria.
No bactracking from me, more of a moonwalk across the room when I heard the news.
I agree with that. You have to take into consideration that Ferguson was probably running the tightest ship ever and they've respected, feared and known that. With Mourinho it's most likely the same, which may be another reason, why they are more suited to manage the very best players than Moyes.
He has already solved the United-Liverpool rivalry in one season, remember all those Scousers cheering for us at home against Olympiakos?Yeah ok, but in a thread about who could plausibly be backtracking or changing their opinion in the aftermath of a sacking that's been argued about all year, surely the most obvious assumption would be the people who were proved wrong or who's long term beliefs never came to fruition? Not the people who got what they wanted. Because, you know, they got what they wanted.
It's just a really odd place to come at it from. "So, you lot who got it right. When you think about it, did you actually get it wrong? Mmmm?"
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I was impressed after hearing about his meticulous future planning and the amount of work he puts into getting players in, but then I thought that, well, most managers should, and probably do, do that anyway. His approach is by no means unique or novel and we can replace that aspect fairly easily. You also have to look at the players he brought into Everton. By and large, the most effective ones - Tim Howard, Baines, Pienaar, Distin, Jagielka were already established and well-known, which doesn't really indicate a brilliant transfer tactician. Fellaini I support was a good signing for Everton, but he still cost them £15m.
which players and why?
So can i Moyes being one.
He was over promoted and predictably failed. I have seen references to him being "a safe pair of hands" which I find risible - no trophies, no experience of even competing for trophies, no CL experience, no experience of managing big name players, no experience of the media scrutiny that comes with a big club etc. Let's face it, if he had been Diego Moise, keeping some team like Real Sociedad around 7th for 10 years, he would never have got near the job. Based on media reports in the last few days, it seems the club have become reacquainted with reality as to what a prospective United manager should bring to the table.
No, it was the right decisions. The problem is with the team now. Performed a mutiny and they know it. Not a good place.
He definitely had to go, but those responsible for unsettling the dressing room, possibly in fear of their own jobs, need to go. Whomever is appointed needs to speak with Moyes and find out what he thought was occurring. These players need booting out. This is a team, but it seems that certain players have put their own interests first.
If the next manager doesn't get results instantly and/or spends badly, there will be an implosion of sorts and it won't be pretty.
I am normally the optimist, but the actions of the club and the thoughtless vitriol expressed in here by so-called fans, is quite depressing. I used to believe that we were different from the Russian and Arab clubs in the League, but in actual fact, we are no different.
The comments and hostility on these boards reminds me of kicking out time in some of the dodgy pubs I sadly once frequented. It seems that if anybody speaks out in Moyes' defence there are a load of numbskulls looking to boot the boot in.
This whole episode is unsavoury and is worryingly indicative of player power and the improper use of the media.
If the next manager doesn't get results instantly and/or spends badly, there will be an implosion of sorts and it won't be pretty.
I am normally the optimist, but the actions of the club and the thoughtless vitriol expressed in here by so-called fans, is quite depressing. I used to believe that we were different from the Russian and Arab clubs in the League, but in actual fact, we are no different.
The comments and hostility on these boards reminds me of kicking out time in some of the dodgy pubs I sadly once frequented. It seems that if anybody speaks out in Moyes' defence there are a load of numbskulls looking to boot the boot in.
This whole episode is unsavoury and is worryingly indicative of player power and the improper use of the media.
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Terrible timing for a thread like this tbh.
That's why we should have done everything earlier like Chelsea did with AVB, remember how they salvaged that season.
Whats the point in having a mind if you can't change it?
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How do we know they performed a mutiny? stop blaming the players for not playing 100% for someone that told them to play like his old players.
That was insulting.
Who cares? I still have the same feelings about those players that I now hvae for United's. very disappointed.
Their own interests or the club's best interest?
Giggs is likely to be retiring this summer anyway and I don't see how he benefits from driving Moyes out. I'd rather believe he loves the club and just did what he thought was right for the benefit of the club.
Anyway, Chelsea was a good example of player mutiny and how things can work out perfectly well afterwards.
Who cares? If we acted earlier, perhaps we'd have saved a CL place or even more.
happy that he is gone, its the right decision..
I have no idea who are the protagonists, you clearly suspect that this is all about Giggs.
With your final line, you are agreeing that we are just like Chelsea, that was one of my points.
My faith in him lessened as the season dragged on. There were some alarming flash-points for me really and I was unfortunate to be at OT for two of them.
1st. Fulham [H], I think this was the day that top 4 slipped our grasp and I began to have serious doubts about the overall confidence of the squad, his tactics and substitutions.
2nd. Olympiakos [A]: Probably even more alarming, the quality of football and not arsed attitude of many of the players.
3rd. City at home: A tactical clusterfeck which mirrored the Liverpool game tactically and energy/attitude wise the prior fixture.
4. Everton: Oh davey, just when I thought things could possibly start to improve and finish a high. Again a mirror of prior performances and when I decided enough was enough.
I think the quality of football, and Moyes own comments/attitude just reminded me of the Hodgson spell at Liverpool, an apt comparison in my eyes. It's hard to envision that even with new signings and the offloading of some players that Moyes would have been able to move past the demons of this season, so ultimately the correct decision has probably been made.
Personally if you're going to review the last 11 months now, the entire club has recessed considerably in how things have been conducted off the field.
Last summer was a debacle, from Moyes late arrival to 'allowing'/not convincing Gill to stay on for at least the remainder of the summer.
The lack of any process for appointing Moyes was all wrong, had such a thing been put into place they may have arrived at the same conclusion anyway, but it was definitely stupid.
Moyes getting rid of all the backroom staff.
The leaks.
A lack of any overall discernible management progression plan, remembering that Ferguson had made his decision at Christmas, and how Bayern handled their transition.
The final handling of Moyes sacking.
1st. Fulham [H], I think this was the day that top 4 slipped our grasp and I began to have serious doubts about the overall confidence of the squad, his tactics and substitutions.
2nd. Olympiakos [A]: Probably even more alarming, the quality of football and not arsed attitude of many of the players.
3rd. City at home: A tactical clusterfeck which mirrored the Liverpool game tactically and energy/attitude wise the prior fixture.
4. Everton: Oh davey, just when I thought things could possibly start to improve and finish a high. Again a mirror of prior performances and when I decided enough was enough.
I think the quality of football, and Moyes own comments/attitude just reminded me of the Hodgson spell at Liverpool, an apt comparison in my eyes. It's hard to envision that even with new signings and the offloading of some players that Moyes would have been able to move past the demons of this season, so ultimately the correct decision has probably been made.
Personally if you're going to review the last 11 months now, the entire club has recessed considerably in how things have been conducted off the field.
Last summer was a debacle, from Moyes late arrival to 'allowing'/not convincing Gill to stay on for at least the remainder of the summer.
The lack of any process for appointing Moyes was all wrong, had such a thing been put into place they may have arrived at the same conclusion anyway, but it was definitely stupid.
Moyes getting rid of all the backroom staff.
The leaks.
A lack of any overall discernible management progression plan, remembering that Ferguson had made his decision at Christmas, and how Bayern handled their transition.
The final handling of Moyes sacking.
A weight has been lifted, a black cloud dispersed, the world smiles once again, and so do I.
Now that Dave is gone, I fully realize how oppressive his presence was . No regrets whatever.
Now that Dave is gone, I fully realize how oppressive his presence was . No regrets whatever.
I'm just saying there are plenty who don't stand to benefit from Moyes leaving are rumoured to be against his reign. Giggs and Rio being the 2 prime candidates.
We aren't just like Chelsea, if we were he'd have been sacked in November, remember how much time Abramovich gave their CL winning manager when their team was in 3rd place?
However, if that approach is good for the club, as shown by Cheslea after sacking AVB, I don't see why we shouldn't follow suit.
Do you at least agree that we behaved poorly by allowing DM to hear of his demise via the media? Certain journos talked about being "briefed", I can only hope this was not true.