How does that work? Ideally, the next manager will be here for the next 3 years or more, just because we screwed up monumentally with Moyes doesn't mean we now need to think ultra short-termist. We need to make sure we don't make such a stupid choice.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Van Gaal will be 63 when the season starts. Not every manager wants to work till their 70's like SAF. We'd be lucky to get more than a couple of years out of him.
I doubt it's true considering it's just a bosnian source and nothing else. Very good young player, a beast physically, good defensively. Not sure if e has it in him to get to a United standard, but being a starting left back for Schalke at the age of 20 is impressive no doubt.
I imagine he wants to get another european cup before he goes, so he'll probably want more than one run at it. If he went in two years it probably wouldn't be due to reaching retirement age.
It isn't an ultra short term view, it's just back into the real world for United where the managerial position is actually a big decision to make each year. It's unrealistic to assume a manager will simply just last 3 years, and even more unrealistic the further you look ahead. Alan Pardew is currently the second longest serving manager in the PL behind Wenger and he's only been at the club 3 years and 136 days (only 8 of the current 92 managers in the football league have served over 3 years).
You have a very tough year ahead to get back into the CL - many on here think the current squad needs investment, and with investment comes risks. Even if they do slot in nicely, one of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and United have to miss out. Would you bet against any side in particular missing out at this stage in place of you? (I'd bet City and Chelsea don't drop out, so in my mind it leaves 2 from 3, but that's a different discussion). If you miss out on CL, do you give him more time than you gave Moyes? All hypothetical of course but quick manager turnaround is part and parcel of football these days.
Well that's a strawman, half the discussion about Van Gaal since the rumours surfaced has been about his potential to fall out and leave early. There's no assumption of anything, it's just a realistic goal.
The underlying point of the post is that it isn't an ultra short-term view to review the managerial position every 12 months, which was your initial suggestion, so I was still on track. Of course a manager serving 3 years is a realistic goal, but 3 years is a long-term view in football. Anyway, lets move on.
Carlo Ancelotti then, he's much younger.
Nah, I'd be happy with short term rebuilding followed by long term Giggsying
I want Van Gaal.
"Like"...but Carlo Ancelotti's style might be more appropriate to usNah, I'd be happy with short term rebuilding followed by long term Giggsying
Long and short of it, if we end up with either Ancelotti or Van Gaal, we'll have someone that's managed big egos and won the european cup. Would be delighted with either, but think Van Gaal's the likelier.
Are you afraid/unsure of everything?
The consensus seems to be that he's a football nut who will want to stay in the game for as long as possible.
I think we could easily get 3-4 years out of him.
He is a left back? He looks like a CB to me. He looks like a Vidic clone to me as well.
How would he compare to Ancelotti. The latter has some advantage, English League experience, milder character (I am not sure about Van Gaal showing his balls stuff to his players! It would freak Januzaj out if he did it to us lol), more full time experience (more current). What do you think?
The big immediate advantage of hiring Van Gaal has to be the players who have an affinity for him such as Kroos, Mueller, RVP and Strootman and I am sure several others. He could help us get Kroos.
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Equally adept at Left back/center back or defensive mid. Pretty sure he started as a defensive midfielder, but he plays as a left back for the national team and for Schalke. He's still really inexperienced so it'd be too soon I think to be a starter for United. His versatility would be good but I think for him it'd be best if he stayed at Schalke longer to develop, where he's guaranteed first choice.
Ancelotti is safer but the rewards will be less because of it.
He makes do with what he has, fits a style to suits the players and keeps things competitive.
Van Gaal will come in, promote youth, regain a clear footballing identity for us and ensure that we see attractive football. When he leaves, he'll leave a better youth setup and a team with a footballing identity ready for a top coach to come in and stamp their authority on it without any worry of technical ability.
The foundations he has left for Barcelona and Bayern are there for all to see.
Hard to argue with that but Id love to see him at United anyway.
If he insists on bringing in Keano (accordion to Irish media), then it will be a bit disruptive. I don't know his man management skills but can imagine no one is better than Sir Alex who's the master of all.
That is all very well. Van Gaal is my choice too. But will our players respond well to the demanding Van Gaal? Everybody(even Moyes) said that our players work very hard in training. But Van Gaal is a very different beast.
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Is he a reliable journalist? Because what he has tweeted sounds like utter BS. Woodward wont discuss targets with Van Gaal with Moyes still here(only 2 days since he was sacked; hardly enough time to do all this). This is considering that Van Gaal is the chosen successor. Even Van Gaal has said in the English interview that he gave that he won't do two jobs at the same time. He said that he needs to focus so that his NT players also focus.
Journalists should get a little serious about what they report. It feels like they don't even think about what they write. Come summer, everybody shifts to the British Summer Time (BST). But I think the journalists switch to another BST (BullShitTime).
WHen ever somebody tweets "Understand that....." you already know that he is retarded.
So the whole of SkySports is retarded because of their "SkySports understands" line?
Nope, he would definitely be a Ferguson/Trappatoni type and want to coach into his 70's
Doubt it.
He said he's retiring if he doesn't receive offer from premier league club.
I understand that whoever uses to this phrase is a bloody idiot.So the whole of SkySports is retarded because of their "SkySports understands" line?
Players didn't respond to Moyes piss poor tactics.
Van Gaal has more in his locker than crossing the ball. I think players like Januzaj, Welbeck, Kagawa and Mata will thrive under Van Gaal. Moyes also worried far too much about stopping the opposition, where as Van Gaal seems to find their weakness.
Yeah. Fergie said he was retiring in 2002. How did that go?
Nice one example.
He has managed Barcelona and Bayern. He wouldn't go to any other teams in those leagues. He has managed the Dutch team twice. So his last objective he stated was to manage in the premier league or retire.
Of course its the one example, I already put him in the bracket with Ferguson and Trappatoni. LVG strikes me as the type of person who would miss the game too much. You only have to watch that video posted in his other thread about how much he misses daily involvement with club football
I think Van Gaal's football is way too tough tactically than anything our players have experienced. Players not responding to Moyes' tactics is just another thing. This team has not played a lot of tactical football. And we will have Van Gaal with his draconian discipline regarding the positioning of the players, the roles that every one has. These players are used to enjoying it on the pitch with a lot less regard for formation/shape. I am not saying we are tactically poor; we are very good. But the levels needed by Van Gaal are notoriously harsh. Consider this Ribery quote - "I haven't had fun on the pitch once under Van Gaal. I had had more than enough of it". This comes from a tactically intelligent player.
I always remember what Gary Neville wrote about the tactical preparation for the 2007-08 semifinal against Barcelona:
Now Van Gaal is like ten times worse. For every match. It can be draining.
I think you are reading too much into this Van Gaal is too harsh thing. He might actually come in handy in Europe. He has had his fair share of success in Europe. I actually want to see how he can improve us tactically as long he gives us attractive attacking football. Players can handle the rigors of the modern game.
Possibly. Even if he doesn't win anything, his players learn a lot and develop. So I would say sell some of the older guys, bring in some talented youngsters from our U21 team and then let them develop. We would have a very well developed squad for whoever takes over after Van Gaal leaves.
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This guy is an attention seeking pillock of the highest order. Would not believe a word he says.
Anyone can be Tom McDermott, just see what the latest news is and then just invent something vaguely plausible to go with it.
Something like
"van Gaal to United 99% agreed, just issue of terms and start date, United want him in place before he goes to WC #mufc"
...which is completely made up but quite plausible in any event. That's all he does.
Something like
"van Gaal to United 99% agreed, just issue of terms and start date, United want him in place before he goes to WC #mufc"
...which is completely made up but quite plausible in any event. That's all he does.
I think he sees us going ahead with deals and thinks "they must have spoken to the new manager about it".
Not the case. We can just go ahead with the deals and allow the new manager to veto them once we decide who it is, as has already been reported.
Not the case. We can just go ahead with the deals and allow the new manager to veto them once we decide who it is, as has already been reported.
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