Yeah, the problem is I don't trust our board not to feck up the entire process so much that is obvious whoever we get wasnt our first choiceI'm sure there's a 'he was always our first choice' template press release lying around somewhere. No reason not to be eclectic about this.
It worked for Liverpool.
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I'm bored so thought I'd do a 'mock' interview. His CV over that last 15 years:
Failed to qualify for a World Cup with Holland, finishing behind a team managed by Mick McCarthy.
Sacked as technical director by Ajax after falling out with everyone.
Sacked by Barcelona in January with them three points above the relegation zone.
Won one league title in four years with an unfancied Dutch side, I'd be quite impressed if I didn't know Steve Mclaren had this on his CV too.
Won one league title in two years with Bayern Munich, again impressive if I didn't know Felix Magath had this on his CV, and he wasn't sacked in his second season for leading a team containing Lahm, Muller, Schweinsteger, Ribery and Robben to fifth.
A solid CV but nothing special, and includes quite a few high profile failures. I'm sure there were extenuating circumstances to his disastrous seasons at Barcelona and Bayern, but I know from the abuse David Moyes has received for leading the champions to seventh with an ageing squad following a man who was at the club for 27 years that this board doesn't do extenuating circumstances.
However, we can't just judge these things on his CV, maybe his managerial style suits Manchester United and the predicament we're currently in:
We need a big rebuild and are about to spend a fortune this summer, does Van Gaal have a reputation for being the man for this sort of task? No. He doesn't like to sign players, and prefers to promote youth players, the list of players he's promoted includes Iniesta, Muller, Badstuber and Alba, it's impressive but as far as I know we don't have an Iniesta in our youth ranks. Also, I've learnt from the comments on here about David Moyes promoting Januzaj and Rooney that managers don't get credit for promoting young players when they're good.
Okay, it doesn't matter if he doesn't sign the players, we'll get someone else for that, but this is a massive season for the club, we must get top four, so is Van Gaal known for being a quick starter? No. He's actually known for being the opposite, during that Steve Mclaren emulating spell in Holland he was actually set to resign after one year due to the players failing to adapt to his ideas, but the players begged him to stay and they won the league the following year.
That's fine, he'll start slowly but eventually get it right, so he could be here long term just like we all hoped with Moyes? No. He tends to fall out with everyone, and doesn't stick around long. He's also known for falling out with some high profile players, but that shouldn't be a problem at Manchester United, the players are professional and will play for a manager even if they dislike him and his methods.
What about his style of football though, does that suit the traditions of Manchester United? He plays attacking football, so in that sense yes, but it's in the style of the Dutch total football philosophy, preferring a 4-3-3 formation, so nothing like our fast tempo and direct 4-4-2. That isn't a massive problem though, the majority of Manchester United fans on this forum hate the way Manchester United play anyway.
He doesn't seem to fit but is he cheap and available? Yes. However top clubs like Tottenham want him so you better move fast, Louis demands that you make a decision by the end of this week.
This is just scaremongering.
Yeah, it might be. I just don't like the man.
Robson was there for one season, basically just keeping the seat warm until LVG became available. He didn't make many big changes and kept most of the players. The team was still basically Cruyff's with the additions of Ronaldo, Luis Enrique and Giovanni (another one he had a feud with) and just without Eusebio and Bigiristain.
If Stoichkov and Rivaldo aren't enough you could add to the list Cruyff, Ibrahimovic, Luca Toni, Robben, Ribery, Pique, Hoeness, Rummenigge...
Name one person Hristo Stoichkov didn't fall out with in his career. Guy was a nutcase.
You've not wrote a CV before have you?
-graduated from university but then again so did thousands of other people so that was pointless
-went into space (boooooring been done before)
-first male to give birth to human child. Nothing special my mom did that, move along.
No problem, Woody has that covered. He'll be on "urgent transfer business" all summer, signing up players left, right and centre. I wonder if Woody knows that Cavani is a striker? Perhaps he thinks he can slot in at CM? Someone should probably have a word.
Anyway, Van Gaal, then.
He's a nutter. I don't mind that. Falls out with people. Fair enough depending on the people. If he lasts three seasons, has us playing some decent football, perhaps spots a kid or two who will come in handy for years to come - fine.
He has an excellent eye for talent - there is no denying this. But I fully agree that hiring Van Gaal of all managers to oversee what is apparently a 200M spending galore seems like the wrong horse for the course. Then again our options may be limited.
He plays good, attacking football. Not United style wing play - but who does these days? In terms of style I'd have him over Maureen any day - and over Pep too, in all honesty.
The huge downside to him, right here and now, is that he can't begin working until after the World Cup. I don't like that one bit. As others have said, he's known as a slow starter - he needs to assess the players, needs to implement his ideas, all of that. We're facing some very stiff competition in the league. The board want us to win the league, or so I hear. That won't be easy - and it might be just about impossible with a slow start.
You forgot he brought Kroos in.
You have to see 2011 - and 2013. And you have to see the quotes that were made in that periods.
If you quote e.g. Hoeneß in 2011 it sounds very different to 2013. In 2013 he called van Gaal a very good coach - Heynckes, Hitzfeld, Trapattoni and Lattek good coaches and Klinsmann a bad coach. And that only van Gaal was able to clean up a mess like Klinsmann left.
That shows a lot.
I think that here a couple of ideas might clash. The ones that say - we always fared good with our ways and we should totally stick to them - and the ones that see that the old ways are not always the best and that a lot is just going wrong at the moment (and the missing success just expresses it!). I think that a club for sure has to keep its identity - but without fresh air sometimes you do not have success. But - if I look at Bayern today we got identity back with him, more than we had in the 20 years before - players like Lahm, Schweinsteiger but especially Müller are more the Bayern I like for me than just importing the players from elsewhere even if I like that special international star, too. Barcelona was on the same track before van Gaal came to Barcelona and even if he might not have the big success he changed their thinking again to use La Masia better and not just buy. Maybe he is a little bit extreme - but you could argue that you have to be like this. Some things just work better if you do not do it the diplomatic way and if you want to cause changes you have to think big and be totally assured of yourself and your ideas.
Kroos. Kroos was already brought into the Bayern pro team in the Hitzfeld time - like Hummels he was loaned because they could not really use him and both did good at the clubs they went, too. Hummels did not return - Kroos wanted to stay in Leverkusen, but Bayern wanted him back. Kroos already had 50 or 60 Bundesliga and a couple of international matches including a World Cup before he came back to Bayern. He was not a newbie even if he as a young player then. Kroos did not play a big role at Bayern in 2010/11. Van Gaal had to bring in Kroos - he did not even have a choice. He like talents - but I am not so sure he really was so fond of Kroos as Kroos at that time did only want to play the "10" - just that he did not have the abilities for a ten in van Gaal's system. Kroos at the first time had to play wing and later was put into the central midfield - where Kroos did not really like to play. 3 years later it is something different. Kroos has learned to work more defensive - in 2010/11 implementing Kroos together with Schweinsteiger was a big liability for our defense...
I do not know how Kroos thinks about it today - if van Gaal would be a positive for a transfer or a hinderance. Kroos for sure knows that van Gaal is a guarantee for success on a long run - but it depends a lot what role he sees himself in. If he now has accepted to play a deeper role in which he is better equipped for - or if he still thinks he should play a ten...
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Writing funny responses to posts on redcafe, meh, Steve J has that covered.
You can pick holes in pretty much anyone's record.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-talk-he-has-agreed-to-become-man-utd-manager
Louis van Gaal is remaining coy on talk that he is poised to become Manchester United's new manager.
Widespread reports have suggested that van Gaal is the leading contender to replace David Moyes at Old Trafford after leading Holland at this summer's World Cup finals.
United have denied suggestions that they have already agreed a deal with Dutchman van Gaal and insist they have yet to identify a new manager.
Ryan Giggs has been named interim manager until a new boss is found and the United legend got off to a winning start in his first game in charge with a resounding 4-0 victory over Norwich on Saturday.
Giggs delighted with 'dream' day
There have been question marks over the suitability of van Gaal for the United job due to his age, but the 62-year-old insists that would not be an issue for him taking over at Old Trafford.
"Am I young enough for the job? I think you can see that in my CV," van Gaal is quoted as saying in The Sun.
Former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich coach van Gaal also denied reports that he met with United owners the Glazer family, prior to the departure of Moyes saying: No I didn't meet them."
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Meanwhile, van Gaal's Holland assistant Patrick Kluivert, believes the manager would be perfect for Manchester United.
"He would be absolutely the first pick of any club, especially top teams everywhere in the world," Kluivert told Talksport.
Mata and Rooney on song for United
"He likes to let young players make their debut if ready for it.
"The most important thing at the moment is I'm personally enjoying working with him and with the Dutch national team. We're going to the World Cup and hope to do well."
Former Newcastle striker Kluivert has been tipped to join van Gaal at Old Trafford should he be named United's new manager and Kluivert admits he would be honoured to work with his fellow Dutchman at club level.
"Sure I would (do the job) wherever in the world because I love working with him," he said.
"It doesn't matter what club it will be if he asks me to join him, I would be absolutely honoured to be on his side."
I've never liked Kluivert to be honest, ever since he said Arsenal were better than us.
I didn't care for Conte shushing the OT crowd when he scored for Juve all those years ago but, if he became our boss, I'd forget about that.
Italian Football...great.I didn't care for Conte shushing the OT crowd when he scored for Juve all those years ago but, if he became our boss, I'd forget about that.
If you're bored or want to learn more on the way van Gaal likes to play, watch some of those videos. I know they kept me entertained last week at work.
Also this is from wikipedia to dispel all the falls out with everyone scaremongering.
Van Gaal would be very wise to have Giggs as his assistant and keep the Class of 92. Smooth transition and full support of the players and supporters.
Seems like he's pretty much the only serious candidate.
Pity we didn't have this process last summer, we would have had several more options.
Not that I've nothing against him.
Pity we didn't have this process last summer, we would have had several more options.
Not that I've nothing against him.
The same Dutch media that broke the news that it was a done deal, are now saying Rooney does not want Van Gaal preferring Giggs instead.
He would, wouldn't he? He knows van Gaal would have the bollocks to drop or even sell him if the performances and attitude isn't right. I'm pretty pro-Rooney and think he definitely has the ability to thrive and cherish under van Gaal's tenure, he just needs to make sure he doesn't sulk or get fecked off if he isn't in a position he wants to be or is dropped for a different player.
They must have seen his post match interview.
Well that would be obvious and the reason why I want LVG so badly at United.
I bloody well said so.
If we're going for Van Gaal - or even if he's just a very serious prospect at this stage - it's not a good idea to have all manner of people who are officially associated with United to sing Giggsy's praise this loudly.
If we're going for Van Gaal - or even if he's just a very serious prospect at this stage - it's not a good idea to have all manner of people who are officially associated with United to sing Giggsy's praise this loudly.
Rooney will have to give 100% each and every training session or else he will be dropped regardless of how well he does during games. van Gaal dropped Rivaldo, he will drop Rooney if he sees a lack of effort although this season Rooney has really impressed me with the level of effort he's given when all of our players were playing really bad.
Here's a tribute from the gift that keeps on giving. Finally we're getting another exciting manager.
Here's a tribute from the gift that keeps on giving. Finally we're getting another exciting manager.
Not only has SAF been very unprofessional in the way he talked about Giggsy as the main man to be looked at, but if those reports are true than we seem to just not have learned anything from the Moyes disaster. Bunch of clowns.
Until some players get it in their heads that Van Gaal is riding them too hard and the Class of 92 side with the players...
NOT saying this will happen. But it's a potential scenario. Keeping too many good old boys around isn't always a good thing - not when these boys are a bit of a mini mafia by the looks of it.
More than likely they saw his post-match interview and have jumped to conclusions. I doubt he's even been asked who he would prefer, let alone offered an opinion on it.
Rooney always plays better when he has a point to prove or some personal drama in his life. So i have no doubt Wayne will raise his game under the next manager, he is a fighter and never knows when he is beat! The main problem i see next season is how you get the best out of both Rooney and RVP!
I hope Van Gaal is thinking about the answer this very second.
He can feck off and leave.
I'm not sure about that. I think he tends to underperform when things are emotionally based - he tries to do too much and ends up failing at too much and succeeding at next to nothing. Which of course, brings out that 18 year old petulant kid inside of him and turns him into a volatile player. I do agree he'll give it his all, though. I hope he does. He's far too good to sell, contrary to many beliefs. I just can't see him in a different colour shirt too.
Re: RvP and Rooney in one team, van Gaal did play a 4231 with Olic and Muller, and I'm sure he could replicate it with our two, who are in essence superior football players. The only question is what happens to Mata...
Good thing van Gaal won't play Rooney just because he's Rooney. If he thinks the team performs better with Mata in the no.10 role, he will play Mata. Look again at Rivaldo situation at Barca.
You actually get the impression LvG could probably fit Mata into a side, even without playing the number 10 role... at least better than Moyes, I have to admit I wouldn't mind if Rooney took on a differing role than as the 2nd forward, I still don't think he offers enough for us there, personal opinion.
Probably basing it off his interview last night. He was saying Giggs is perfect for it and all the players would like it.
I just hope the Glazers don't fall for it.
Agreed.
at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what he does with the players, as long as he gets the results with us.
I welcome a talented manager getting the best from some good players we have.
It was very apt that Giggsy in one game got our highest home league win!
I welcome a talented manager getting the best from some good players we have.
It was very apt that Giggsy in one game got our highest home league win!
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Yeah i take your point, they have been many occasions when he has failed to deliver in big international competitions and whilst playing against Everton for sure.
I was more referring to when Rooney is criticised in the papers or has a lot of attention on his performances...then he seems to focus more and prove he is a top player...then complacency kicks in and he goes off the boil...but then he will have a point to prove and go on a run of games.
Yeah i take your point, they have been many occasions when he has failed to deliver in big international competitions and whilst playing against Everton for sure.
I was more referring to when Rooney is criticised in the papers or has a lot of attention on his performances...then he seems to focus more and prove he is a top player...then complacency kicks in and he goes off the boil...but then he will have a point to prove and go on a run of games.
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