Didn't they already post words to that same effect on their own website? The tweet means nothing.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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So what you are saying is Man Utd shouldn't have tried to negotiate first?
And you're defending him why? He's a suit with little or nothing of importance to us. He is as much at fault for last season as Moyes.
Moyes had 15 season of experience, Woodward none, you can understand the naivety of one but not the other.
You said the same things 5 times now. I get it.
And you're defending him why? He's a suit with little or nothing of importance to us. He is as much at fault for last season as Moyes.
I'm not defending him, its just hilarious people want to blame him even for things that are not his fault. This Herrera deal being the prime example.
No. Bilbao don't negotiate. They aren't in a position to. What use is 36 million to them when they can't sign non-basque players?
Very small time from a club that will likely be competing in the Champions League next season.
If you want to put it lie that, yes. I think it was daft for us to try and negotiate with a team notorious for being unbelievably stubborn.
Again, on why this is awkward for the club. It's the lack of actual case law that complicates it and means that you go into it with proper advice and indemnities in place. Ideally you would also get a formal ruling from the tax authorities (but you won't, in fact you'll have to work hard to get a provisional ruling).
The reason there is ambiguity is because the law itself is ambiguous. I'll leave this in Spanish because the specific interpretation of the words is critical.
El art.2.2 del Libro V dice: “La inscripción de un jugador profesional a favor de una Sociedad Anónima Deportiva o Club será cancelada por la rescisión unilateral del contrato por parte del jugador profesional. En este caso, y si estuviera previsto tal desestimiento con cláusula indemnizatoria en el contrato que dio lugar a la inscripción, se procederá a su cancelación, previo depósito en la LNFP del importe previsto en la indemnización”.
There is also an additional complication for a foreign club. The LFP are seen as transparent when moving money between clubs and players in Spain. It's not so obvious for a foreign club that effectively has to rely on a related FIFA ruling. Which again is untested in the Spanish courts.
The reason there is ambiguity is because the law itself is ambiguous. I'll leave this in Spanish because the specific interpretation of the words is critical.
El art.2.2 del Libro V dice: “La inscripción de un jugador profesional a favor de una Sociedad Anónima Deportiva o Club será cancelada por la rescisión unilateral del contrato por parte del jugador profesional. En este caso, y si estuviera previsto tal desestimiento con cláusula indemnizatoria en el contrato que dio lugar a la inscripción, se procederá a su cancelación, previo depósito en la LNFP del importe previsto en la indemnización”.
There is also an additional complication for a foreign club. The LFP are seen as transparent when moving money between clubs and players in Spain. It's not so obvious for a foreign club that effectively has to rely on a related FIFA ruling. Which again is untested in the Spanish courts.
well still seems very rash bringing a player too carrigton when the deal looks far from ironed out.
im not claiming i no exacly how it works, but paying 36 million pun in damages dosn't seem straight forward, and will likly take some time to go through all the legal wrangling, which is never a quick process.
im still hoping the media got over excited, and man united didnt bring a player to carrigton who they dodnt have a deal in place for.
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This.
It isn't difficult to see why the deal collapsed in the summer considering how late we went in. Probably the same thing happened. We offered direct to the club the same amount as the buy out and they rejected it.
Just repetition.
They could buy Basque players. The could use it on non transfer related stuff. They have a stadium to pay off.
That's not bullshit, Herrera will pay that tax, well United will instead him.
Yes they are.
Oh and every club operates with debt. That doesn't mean they're not rich. They're also building a new stadium. They also have barely any.
Basically you're talking shit, Revan.
Oh come on. We as a club would have prepared for this no doubt, but from a business perspective it would be stupid for us to not at least try and negotiate. What do we have to lose?
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You don't take a player, put him on a flight from Spain, put him through a medical, tour him round our training ground with Bobby Charlton, have his team photos taken without being damn sure it's finalized. I'm just saying, if this fails, it's all on Woodward. It could be all conjecture and posturing from Bilbao, and hopefully it is, but if United pull out we will be a joke.
Well no the 44% percent is correct. At the time i wrote that i did not know that Basque players have tax relief though. Even still he will be liable for 7 million euros. If he was outside Basque it would be near 15 million Euros.
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fecks sake
It was nothing but a formality to make an actual bid.
Indeed. Whatever was the actual situation with Herrera last year, one thing I'm sure of is that it reminded us that "one day" we might need to use a forced release clause. I'd be amazed and horrified if we haven't already done our due diligence and got all the provisions in place.
I'm disappointed to log on to BBC Sport this morning and read this! After all we've been through after the last couple of years with various players, it would have been nice to enter the LvG era with a straightforward bid-accept-contract-accept-sign deal.
We're hardly covering ourselves in glory in the transfer market these days!
We're hardly covering ourselves in glory in the transfer market these days!
They are just fecking with us. feckers.
Over exaggerating much.
It might go though some hiccups, as i've said lawyers need to close it down. But there is no reason not to make a medical in-between.
I see. So we'll have to deposit Herrera his buyout fee + whatever the tax rate is on that sum of money (or if we don't add it on, he'll have to pay it).
Javi Martinez was liable for €6m, he was never requested to pay it.
Did he actually have his team photos taken? I havent seen those.
Exactly.
"If" we pull out, it's the final straw with Woodward for me. I'm willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt, this could be posturing.
Whats the more stupid option:
1. Make a bid in attempt to avoid the issues with the buy-out route, have it rejected and then move on with activating the buy-out.
or
2. Move on with activating the buy-out without making a bid, accepting it will cost more time and money to do so when there is a possibility, however slight, that we could of just had a bid accepted and saved all the hassle.
It's all our faults. I told you all at about 196 pages that this was wasn't good enough. A £30m Spanish midfielder deserves an offering of at least 250 pages, yet you guys wanted confirmation on a mere 200.
I'm sure this is Herrera himself rejecting the deal. Lay out the fecking red carpet.
I'm sure this is Herrera himself rejecting the deal. Lay out the fecking red carpet.
Stuff them them.
What is a head scratcher, did Herrera even go to carrington? If he did? It's a mystery how the deal cannot be agreed
Very unlikely
Move away from the computer. You're really losing your shit now.Out of interest, what do you think they do with the money they get from signing players? Make all the seats in their stadium out of solid gold?
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