Walters_19_MuFc
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Only Van Persie to go then?
Lets not forget Shinji.
Only Van Persie to go then?
Only Van Persie to go then?
Really? Sadly?I hope he goes to Napoli, and that is not because I think he's as terrible a player as he's usually portrayed to be. Yes he has looked out of place a few times over here but he's a pretty useful player if used in the right system that suits him. Sadly that system is not going to played under LvG and there really is no use of him at United. The only position he can play at over here is CM, unless all of Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj are injured, which is something that probably will never happen. More than the position, it is the tactics that need to revolve around him, he's not the greatest with the ball at his feet, not aware enough of the players around him to participate in the fluid stuff we have seen in the tour so far and not threatening enough individually. The only way he's any useful is the way Everton used him, hoofing it up and using his physical presence and good aerial ability. That's not what we have in mind, and not what I hope to see at United, so it is better for all parties involved that he goes to Napoli. I don't watch them enough to say how well he will fit there but they've got Rafa who's never shy of going Route 1.
Sad for FellainiReally? Sadly?
Ah, ok. Yeah, true enough. Happily for us United fans thoughSad for Fellaini
Napoli boss Rafa Benitez says Marouane Fellaini's future in Manchester United's hands
Rafa Benitez has said that Marouane Fellaini’s future will be decided by Manchester United after being linked with a move to bring the midfielder to Napoli.
Fellaini has been mentioned as one of the players Louis van Gaal might be looking to move on this summer as he begins to reshape his squad after taking charge at Old Trafford.
The Belgium international had a disappointing first season at United following his switch from Everton 12 months ago and speculation has suggested that Napoli are among the clubs monitoring his situation.
There have been reports of a loan move to Naples, but Benitez was reluctant to discuss a player who remains on a long-term contract at another club when asked about his interest at a press conference.
Van Gaal has revealed that he is set to speak to those members of his United squad who do not figure in his plans, and Benitez is happy to wait for further developments.
Asked about Fellaini, the former Liverpool boss said: “He's not one of our players, his future does not depend on us, but on Manchester United.
“I think about working with the players I have.”
Javier Mascherano is another player to have been connected with a move to Napoli, having played under Benitez at Liverpool before joining Barcelona in 2010.
However, Benitez admits there is no chance of him being able to lure Mascherano away from the Nou Camp.
He said: “This (possibility) is closed. I spoke with Javier and his agent but Luis Enrique has great respect for him and I understood that it was not possible to take him.”
I think it's the other way around. Getting a new signing would be the better option if it were to come to that. I think it would be madness to just get rid of him without having somebody else ready for the squad. Van Gaal has not seen the youngsters that aren't on tour I would assume that he's not going to utilize them just yet.Getting rid of him won't get us a new signing. People think if we sell Fellaini, we'll get Vidal or some other big CM. No we won't. Our midfield signings don't depend on Fellaini.
If we sell Fellaini, thats one less CM on our roster. We're stuck with 2 aging CMs and Cleverley... Besides, This might all be media rubbish and LVG might like Fellaini. He hasn't played under him yet, so why write him off so quickly? Look at Ashley Young. He's rapid in the WB role, who would have ever thought that? Maybe Fellaini would make a decent holding midfielder or even a backup striker if we want to spam crosses into the box. Just BE PATIENT.
I agree. He isn't even a central midfielder and I would rather see us recoup some money than have him as 5th choice.If the options were..
a) Sell Fellaini and bring in no one
b) Keep Fellaini and bring in no one
I'd still sell him.
I think that is best. You've shot yourself in the foot twice already regarding his ability for Belgium and for Everton and I think that is enough. But I will open a separate dialogue regarding below;Happy to continue conversation in fellaini's thread if you want but honestly ...
I'd rather just agree to disagree.
Just on this idea, I agree it was completely rubbish as well. The way Belgium used the ball with their wider players taking players on and interchanging with the forward and with Fellaini was a bizarre one. Fellaini seemed to have no involvement in intricate buildup but when the advantage line was broken he would just rush up the field ready for a cross into the box.Also i thought wilmots use of him was a laughably rubbish idea that i dont particularly feel like going into.
It might have been moyes plan long term but he rarely used him that way.
That is why the 'can't tackle' statements are just plain wrong.
He had the highest success rate for ground duels last season for United and he rarely played in a primary or limited defensive role.Why is it wrong?.
Was this supposed to be the 'examples of him embarrassing himself trying to tackle'?I've provided examples in which he's embarrased himself trying to, so your going to have to give a bit more detail as to why you think he can
A single world cup game in which we agreed he was playing a bizarre role. Which you yourself say 'is an extreme example because he was particularly crap that day', then some ludicrous statement about not seeing a clean won tackle in 20 games? I mean come on yourself.Come on, watch the argentina belgium match again. Its an extreme example because he was particularly crap that day but its pretty standard fare.
His 'tackling' was embarrasing. I've never put much store in stats. I've haven't seen a clean, well won tackle from him in 20 (?) games last season.
He won the ball, im not saying he didn't but his tackling is just ... its not a strength.
Getting rid of him won't get us a new signing. People think if we sell Fellaini, we'll get Vidal or some other big CM. No we won't. Our midfield signings don't depend on Fellaini.
If we sell Fellaini, thats one less CM on our roster. We're stuck with 2 aging CMs and Cleverley... Besides, This might all be media rubbish and LVG might like Fellaini. He hasn't played under him yet, so why write him off so quickly? Look at Ashley Young. He's rapid in the WB role, who would have ever thought that? Maybe Fellaini would make a decent holding midfielder or even a backup striker if we want to spam crosses into the box. Just BE PATIENT.
And those same people were cheering Moyes's fecking name during the whole plane fiasco and after the losses against West Brom, Newcastle, Everton, Swansea etc...I don't think he suits us and it definatley was a mistake to buy him and pay as much as we did and it will the best for him and for us if he is moved on as fast as possible. Yet he is a far better player thanmost on here are giving him credit for (and not just as a number 10), in fact the level of abuse and hate he receives from some on here is truely disgusting and so disrespectfull towards a United player. I really can't imagine any player at this club getting so much stick from our fans for like absolutley no reason at all. Really there are so many worse players (in many different aspects) in our squad that we have kept on for years and shown respect towards than him. The only explanation I can give for it is that people really see him as the shitmark Moyes left on our club or something instead of a United player that deserves support and a minimum of respect. It is like pople have projected all their frustration and hatred that Moyes caused towards Fellaini, if any player embodies the black sheep concept it is this guy and I really feel sorry for him for that.
Not really. Numbers wise we're fine. Just the quality isn't there, and as a midfielder he offers us nothing compared to the others. If we signed Vidal, then we'd have 4 back up midfielders, and more then likely 2 of them would never play. There is literally no benefit to having Fellaini in the squad, unless we start hoofing the ball, which we won't.Getting rid of him won't get us a new signing. People think if we sell Fellaini, we'll get Vidal or some other big CM. No we won't. Our midfield signings don't depend on Fellaini.
If we sell Fellaini, thats one less CM on our roster. We're stuck with 2 aging CMs and Cleverley... Besides, This might all be media rubbish and LVG might like Fellaini. He hasn't played under him yet, so why write him off so quickly? Look at Ashley Young. He's rapid in the WB role, who would have ever thought that? Maybe Fellaini would make a decent holding midfielder or even a backup striker if we want to spam crosses into the box. Just BE PATIENT.
You can't say this then not mention why. What we paid for him should have no bearing on judging his performances. Until he's given a solid once-over with the rule by Van Gaal and either stays or goes it can't be deemed as a flat out 'mistake' yet.I don't think he suits us and it definatley was a mistake to buy him and pay as much as we did and it will the best for him and for us if he is moved on as fast as possible.
When we sign Vidal we'll cross that bridge. Logic dictates that he will be surplus to requirements and be moved on, that is an acceptable impasse to speculate on. Saying he offers literally nothing to the squad is just ridiculous. I don't get that at all.Not really. Numbers wise we're fine. Just the quality isn't there, and as a midfielder he offers us nothing compared to the others. If we signed Vidal, then we'd have 4 back up midfielders, and more then likely 2 of them would never play. There is literally no benefit to having Fellaini in the squad, unless we start hoofing the ball, which we won't.
And those same people were cheering Moyes's fecking name during the whole plane fiasco and after the losses against West Brom, Newcastle, Everton, Swansea etc...
Fellaini has excellent touch and it's one of his strongest points. I don't know what you're talking about.Not really. Numbers wise we're fine. Just the quality isn't there, and as a midfielder he offers us nothing compared to the others. If we signed Vidal, then we'd have 4 back up midfielders, and more then likely 2 of them would never play. There is literally no benefit to having Fellaini in the squad, unless we start hoofing the ball, which we won't.
And with Young, it's because he's in a new position, but technically he isn't that bad of a player. He's got a good touch and pass and is a hard worker so he could fit in, despite us all hating him as a winger. Fellaini has a shit touch, isn't a very good or clever passer, is slow, is poor defensively and is lazy, or at least is always caught ball watching or a few steps behind the play. He'll serve no purpose under Van Gaal other then wasting wages.
I don't think he suits us and it definatley was a mistake to buy him and pay as much as we did and it will the best for him and for us if he is moved on as fast as possible. Yet he is a far better player thanmost on here are giving him credit for (and not just as a number 10), in fact the level of abuse and hate he receives from some on here is truely disgusting and so disrespectfull towards a United player. I really can't imagine any player at this club getting so much stick from our fans for like absolutley no reason at all. Really there are so many worse players (in many different aspects) in our squad that we have kept on for years and shown respect towards than him. The only explanation I can give for it is that people really see him as the shitmark Moyes left on our club or something instead of a United player that deserves support and a minimum of respect. It is like pople have projected all their frustration and hatred that Moyes caused towards Fellaini, if any player embodies the black sheep concept it is this guy and I really feel sorry for him for that.
You mean fixing the mess Ferguson created.has absolutely nothing to offer this club and should be shown the door as soon as possible to go another step towards fixing the mess Moyes created.
His touch on his chest is excellent of course, but his touch otherwise is nothing special. It's shit in terms of taking a touch and moving with it though, it's not all about killing a ball. It takes a lot more ability to take a touch and with that first touch put it in a position away from the defender and in a place where he can move right away.Fellaini has excellent touch and it's one of his strongest points. I don't know what you're talking about.
Where is this "poor defensively" thing coming from? He has great interceptions and actually fights for the ball.
The mess which made United champions 2 times in his last 3 years?You mean fixing the mess Ferguson created.
You mean fixing the mess Ferguson created.
Yep, left us in a pickle 10 points clear as Champions and our 5th title in 7 years.You mean fixing the mess Ferguson created.
You can't say this then not mention why. What we paid for him should have no bearing on judging his performances. Until he's given a solid once-over with the rule by Van Gaal and either stays or goes it can't be deemed as a flat out 'mistake' yet.
Can you please elaborate why he doesn't suit United?
The 'embodiment of the Moyes era' argument is exactly why fans spouting this type of 'Zero technical ability, Zero quality' nonsense over and over should be ignored and moved along. They'll never grasp the concept beyond the usual stereotype responses (in this case, elbows, fouls, awful at football) of a footballer adapting or adjusting his game for benefit. Wayne Rooney has had spells of it for his 10 year stint, Tom Cleverley is a recent victim of it and Ashley Young has had a big dose of it. The fans inability to put aside these lazy and pointless reasons to attack a player gets tiresome very quickly.Of course it's got a bit to do with Moyes, Fellaini is now the embodiment of all that was wrong with Moyes' time here. Zero quality, zero technical skills (oh, sorry, "chesting") and in order to bring the best out of him you need to change from playing actual football to playing route one hoof ball. His short range passing is embarrassingly bad, his long range passing is non-existent, his tackling is clumsy at best and resembles ABH at worst. His heading ability is shocking for a guy of his size and half of the time he's called up for a foul as he led with his elbows anyway.
He has absolutely nothing to offer this club and should be shown the door as soon as possible to go another step towards fixing the mess Moyes created.