Don't think so. It was rumoured a while ago that youse were sniffing around, but he wanted CL. The past week or two it's also been rumoured that you've been interested. Also, the fact that PSG haven't been able to agree a fee/sell enough players/manage to loan him shouldn't mean those journalists are less reliable, it just means things have changed (which people fail to realise time and time again when it comes to transfer deals).
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No wonder the club are remaining tight lipped about everything, if the telegraph are correct, real want snother 15m pounds!!
Why? They're fan run magazines, hence 'fanzines'... wouldn't say they're in the know much.
Just gonna do a recap of the article.
They're claiming that the deal depends on whether Celtic qualifies for Champions League or not, because without the money from Champions League they won't be able to pay for him (apparently).
Also claims that there'll be an option to buy, plus a clause that states that he'll have to play all 6 Champions League games for Celtic, otherwise the loan will be voided.
The news are a bit late tho, the article is from friday and haven't seem to've picked up pace in Denmark, which is strange since both BT and EB are usually well informed about danish players abroad, also claims in the article that their information comes from ''english contacts'', which is even more strange, since it's usually a spokesperson from the agency or the agent himself that leaks stuff.
We currently have about 6 players in the squad who can play wide/wing some of them have to go at some point as that is too many. We currently don't even have enough CM's not to have to field a striker in there.
We have numbers in that position, we don't have either numbers or quality in CM I'd say one is far more urgent than the other.
We have plenty of options in midfield as well as the wings, they're all shite as well though. Cleverley, Fellaini, Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Herrera isn't exactly lacking is it? We need a world class winger as much as a midfielder.
Not for me but wrong thread anyway.
If you look at our probable best elevens with DiMaria in without any of our injuries 4-3-3 or 3-5-2 we can put out a pretty good side though both teams definately one player short minimum in a position dependant on where you play Di Maria. What I find interesting though is in my minds best elevens in both formations you definately cant play Mata, Rooney and RVP. For me Mata is the fall guy. I do think he is a tad over rated by a lot of people on here, that isnt saying I dont think he is a very good player....but even so I just dont think he fits into what we need, last year or with the two formations possible this year, he isnt right in a 4-3-3 and he isnt the kind of number 10 we need. He doesnt fit in a different way to how Berbatov didnt fit. Id love to be proved wrong and hope he comes good as i do liek him, but I wasnt excited when we signed him even though he is a good player as I saw him as a luxury and I think in terms of fee and what we needed he will go down as one of our worst signings.
It's evident by reports on Twitter that we'll be signing another midfielder, plus Blind who can play the holding role well, but we have six central midfield players and currently three wingers.
Hell of a signing for Celtic, if true.
Couldn't have got a much better replacement for Forster.
Just give Kagawa to BVB (for next year Hummels/Reus purchase
) and let Powell to get some game time in cups.Is this accurate? I feel it for Fergie, I never knew I could appreciate him more-but I just did.
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The idea that journos are "hating" on the transfer because they weren't informed or had no clue is beyond idiotic. What is this? Highschool? If journos are "hating", it is because they rightly or wrongly see something wrong with the transfer e.g. the price being too high when there are more needed(not saying the wing isn't) positions United should be sorting out.
This is what i said and its the reason why its so annoying when people say "look at the amount we have spent in the last year, the Glazers haven't stopped us spending". Well yeah they are spending now right when the squad is in tatters but our net spend under them in the previous 9 years was laughable for a club as big and rich as us.
Fergie really did do wonders with this squad, its actually hard to comprehend when you see us now.
And without a shadow of a doubt that was down to Ferguson, not the Glazers. I'll take his word every day over the week over fans that want to hate on the Glazers just for the sake of it. He claims the money was always there. It's quite clear he didn't need to spend more than what he did because he was completely comfortable with what he had and won title after title and made numerous CL finals. Ferguson was a special manager.
Anyone who says "details soon" is not sitting on any information worth reading.
Exclusives are published ASAP these days and kept under wraps until they are.
He was actually waiting for Miguel Delaney to publish the article, apparently he was given the same information from the same source
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Angel also wears no.7 for Argentina.
Question ofcourse reamins if it was the Glazers restricting our spending at that time or if it simply was SAF who didn't feel the need to spend. Surely you must also agree that the money he spend in that time on players like Young, Valencia, Berbatov, Bébé, Hernandez, Obertan etc could have been spend in a better fashion ?
He certainly worked miracles with that squad, but I'am not convinced the lack of quality in the squad was down to Fergie not getting any money from the Glazers, I just think he didn't want to spend much at the time as he didn't feel the need and that when he did spend he bought the wrong players for us. Now ofcourse spending like the last year over £150m an counting wouldn't be possible, we had alot of debt to pay off, but it wasn't nesc either, we had a team winning trophy after trophy that he liked working with, yet I'am certain if he felt the need to spend say a budget of £60m-£70m would always have been available for him if he wanted to. He just chose not to spend all of it and he refused to use it to spend big on one individual player and instead bought alot of shit with it which he at the time tought were going to be great deals for United but turned out to be shit deals. I'am certain if he wanted at the time he could have brought in midfielders like Modric or Vidal no problem he just chose not to because money wasn't in unlimited supply like at Chelsea or City and he had certain principles on not spending to much on one player and not to much on very young players etc
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I think almost everyone thought Blind was one of his '24 hr signings'
Hope he doesn't turn out to be a Fellaini.
Not a chance.
Versatile and a quality team member are things I'd easily call Blind, Fellaini I'd probably just call a member.
Seriously, I don't know what has happened to Fellaini, but his transfer is almost like Ashley Young's, got fed up having to play against them, so let's buy them and hope they can inflict similar damage against our rivals. Sadly, neither have worked out way, apart from maybe Young's first season.
I think Van Gaal likes all rounders in the middle, De Boar, Seedorf, Shweinsteiger, Strootman et al, Kagawas lack of physicality next to a crocked Darren Fletcher would see teams stroll threw us easier than they do now, He will like Carrick I think
A worry I have with Blind is his lack of pace and physicality. He's an intelligent player and a good passer but he seems exactly the type of player who could struggle with the pace of the league at times. He won't be a starter though, only a squad player so he'd be an improvement like that.
I thought the same thing as well. I can't remember how many passes were made forward in total by Fletcher and Cleverley, but it was so disgracefully low in numbers. Looking back, Fletcher created one good chance when he decided to pass the ball forward, but that's clearly not enough.
Between a Kagawa who is not physical but can pass forward, and a Cleverley who is not physical nor creative in the passing, I don't think the choice would be difficult to make until we get reinforcements in that area of the field.
I could be wrong, I haven't seen enough of him, but I just worry blind comes in and becomes another versatile squad player, and nothing more.
Versatile is good, but a lot of the time, it means somebody who can play many roles decently, but does not fully excel at any
Versatile is good, but a lot of the time, it means somebody who can play many roles decently, but does not fully excel at any
Out of that list we have two midfielders and Fletcher used sparingly, so yes we have bodies but most really really aren't an option.
AdM, Blind and 1 of de Jong/Lucas Silva/Vidal?
Then the pipedream...add Strootman and Reus next summer
Then the pipedream...add Strootman and Reus next summer
That is absolutely incredible. I guess the question is was Ferguson denied the massive war chest or did he truely believe the squad was good enough, or... Being the best long term planner in football, did he purposefully hold back knowing that in a few years when he left, FFP would finally kick in and we'd be in a position of real strength, making life for the managers that followed him a hell of a lot easier?
If the last scenario is true then that could well have been his greatest achievement or perhaps better put, his greatest gift to the club. To keep us competitive and successful during the dodgey initial glazer years, in a climate where Chelsea and City could spend endless amounts, cementing our status as the biggest club around and ensuring deals like Adidas will continue to come our way.
Perhaps I'm getting carried away somewhat, I dunno. I just really miss the man.
No, because it's the wrong way to go about it. Allowing the team to regress to mid-table level so the next manager has to buy half a starting line-up and try to get that team to gel is not the way to build a squad. And Fergie would have known.
The most likely explanation is that he was a bit of a cheapskate, coupled with the Glazers not seeing the need for buying expensive new players when we were already where we wanted to be. After last season, they recognize that we must invest in order to keep up with our rivals.
He didn't allow the team to regress to mid-table level though. He'd just walked he league. If he had stayed another year we'd still be in the CL. Same group of players. Moyes was just a bigger disaster than anyone could have predicted. Including Fergie and sir bobby. I won't say anymore though since this is the wrong thread. Will copy my original post over to the Fergie one.
The youngsters he bought were not good enough. He managed to squeeze the last few drops out
of Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Carrick and Scholes but it was clear to everyone that we were not ready for their departures at all.
A player fit to don the #7 jersey. Oh how I've longed to say that.
Completely agree.
Just sign Coentrao along with De Rossi/Strootman and Herrera/Thiago and a quality wide player while selling Nani and Rooney even last window and it's not a problem at all along with a bonus of Mata in January. (Could've let Rio go and gotten Garay too which was on the cards at the beginning of the season.)
Except for Scholes who was phased out anyway the season before, all of those players were still there last season too. Everybody could predict Evra decline. Criminal we went next season with him as starting left back and midfield addition just being Fellaini.
Assuming the manager could organize the team well all could have played a part again as well. Mourinho is getting last legs out of Terry. Vidic still is younger and last season was left too exposed in a unstructured team. Same with Carrick who looked worse than he is last season partnered with dross in unfamiliar roles.
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