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Danny Welbeck | Arsenal player
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I have nothing against him celebrating. However stop making an arse of ourselves by applauding him.
True that.Honestly no one in the whole footballing world thinks it makes us an arse. It shows actually how great our fanbase is.
Trust me it makes us look stupid. No one applauds a homegrown talent who dived against his homegrown team and then scores and have the cheek to celebrate in front of the home fans.
Sorry I'll trust you rather than the 1000s of people who pay to go to the games week in week out over what makes us look stupid.
I guess those 1000 should travel a bit more and see what other fans (with some dignity) tend to act towards homegrown players who try to cheat against their home side and then have the cheek to celebrate a goal in front of the home side. Manchester is not the capital city of football.
one hint......they dont applaud them
There again our fans did gave a standing ovation to the manager who brought the club to 7th place. Imagine the celebrations if he relegated us.
I don't think Welbeck would have been the future for us in regards of a #9. However I think he was probably good enough to be part of a Man United team for a long time to contribute with loyalty and speed. If you look at some of the players we've had in our squad with limited ability but yet being able to play a part I think this idea of selling Welbeck looks pretty daft. I suspect it has something to do with letting Arsenal get even with us for taking Robin. Perhaps you do these sort of deals and get something in return next time around. I'm thinking about Beckham, Heinze and Ruud off to Real for example.
I have been watching football for long enough to know that there's no place for sentimentality in football. If a player can get more money and prestige by playing elsewhere then most of the time he'll move. Most of the players we had in the past who insisted to remain at OT remained there because they weren't good enough to go elsewhere at the same level. Can you imagine OShea at Real or Philip Neville at Barca? That sort of thing. Players like that would either stay at United with all the perks the club can give or else end up playing with the likes of Sunderland or Everton. Of course there's always the exception of the case ie players like Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs who were given blank chequeus to move and still refused. Those are true legends and I respect that (although merit should always be ahead to sentimentality).
Nevertheless if a player is not good enough or too old then he should move too and no love is lost because of it. Players are highly paid workers with a very short career. There's little space for sentimentality and thats how things should be. TBH I cant care less of Danny's diving, his goal or his celebrations. Its an entertaining business and he's doing his job. What I care about is what we do as fans and it pisses me off seeing us not understanding how football works. It reminds me of those wrestling fans who still believe that WWF fights are genuine and would boo at the wrestlers who had suddenly turn bad or applaud the villain who redeemed himself.
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Played well yesterday. He was a pain for our defense. Sloppy touches in first half but he was too good for our poor defense
I’m part of the people who thought that he shouldn’t have celebrated his goal yesterday. Remind that Van Persie didn’t celebrated his goals against them his first season,
Big mistake not keeping him rather than having Mata + Falcao (+ their wages) on the bench…
I’m part of the people who thought that he shouldn’t have celebrated his goal yesterday. Remind that Van Persie didn’t celebrated his goals against them his first season,
Big mistake not keeping him rather than having Mata + Falcao (+ their wages) on the bench…
Well, exactly. Reactions on here are embarrassing. Good to see the match-going fans weren't such a bunch of women.
Oh and absolutely no chance of either RvP or Falcao having the pace to beat De Gea to the ball in that situation. Make of that what you will.
I clapped him off but there were quite a few boos. FA Cup games tend to attract daytrippers, though.
You're not going to remain a top club without these fringe players. You can't have a 30 man squad of only super stars. So one part of building a great squad is to have an acceptable level on the players who are not your stars. I don't believe you can buy Aston Villas first 11 and use them as subs just so you can get a high level of squad players. They are players who in their mindset are starters - yet they're not better than O'shea.
I also believe the game has changed quite a bit the last 10 years. More players are now full athletes than ever before. You see guys ripped as hell in almost any team. A player like Welbeck is on form definitely better than our current strikers when not in form. The distance between the superstars and the average stars is closing in. Sometimes this leads to average buys - like when we got Fellaini, Liverpools Lallana etc.
It seemed to be the more 'hardcore' who were booing him from where I was sat. "Celebrate against us you cnut, we made you".
That's not the point Im trying to make. What I am saying is that club legends are a very rare and dying breed. Very few players would turn down better offers just to stay at a club. Its easy to be loyal to a big club when the only other options are Stoke, Everton and Sunderland isn't it? I guess if Arsenal hasnt come for Welbeck he would still be at United, kissing our badge at every goal and reminding us what great honour it is to play for us.
Today its so easy for players to become 'legends' which is kind of sad considering that loyalty barely exist in football these days. I feel sorry for fans who still have this sentimentality towards football. Most often they get exploited because of it (remember the Tevez antics)?
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Not much? Rvp has still been better this season, and scored some goals too Welbeck could never score.
Why shouldn't he celebrate? He's going to Wembley. Maybe twice.
Seemed like the majority clapped him from watching on TV. Bound to be some bitches but the overall impression of our fans was good. Not really surprising. It's not like he taunted them or anything. Just looked happy to score an important goal. Players who ostentatiously don't celebrate look like dicks anyway.
Exactly, RVP scored from a much tougher chance vs Southampton
Pity he didn't do that against Munich last season.
Murphy saying he didn't ask to leave, poor Danny, I think you'll find he did last year a couple of times.
No problem with the celebration, hardly a "legend" coming home, local or not.
Murphy saying he didn't ask to leave, poor Danny, I think you'll find he did last year a couple of times.
No problem with the celebration, hardly a "legend" coming home, local or not.
Did I watch the same Welbeck last night? He was shit, any attack that went through him broke down, just because he was gifted a goal by Valencia doesn't make his performance any better.
Have to say I agree with that. Looked as impotent as he ever did here, and managed to latch on to a rather charitable back-pass when the opportunity arose. Mind you, he did score the goal that won them the game so fair play to him.
I hate him, he shouldn't get any applause for the way he celebrated.
No problem with celebrating. People become so sensitive over celebrations against former clubs that I'm sure even players who played at a club on loan now don't celebrate when they score against them. If you're actually highly regarded and had a huge impact on the former club, then yeah don't celebrate (I.E Lampard).
Who's praising his performance? He didn't have a good game. Unsurprisingly, the occasion seemed to get to him.
Was better in the second half, though. And a factor in Arsenal getting a foothold in the game after halftime. Plus, he took a goal that neither of the two strikers who forced him out of the squad would have got within yards of. So there is that.
Just fecking celebrate. You're playing a competitive sport ffs. If scoring a goal doesn't make you happy/excited you're in the wrong game.
Obviously, Adebayor style taunting is a twattish thing to do but anyone that is butt-hurt about Welbeck's obvious enjoyment last night badly needs to get some perspective.
Giroud had an identical chance in the 90th minute which De Gea barely beat him to. If Welbeck had stayed on, he would have got to the ball. The difference in pace is more than just incidental.
You cant put it like that imo, de Gea was Neuer'esque quick to react, just because he got tbe better of this one, doesnt mean Welbz would have gotten the better of him.
Do you believe yourself some of the rubbish you come up with?
Yep, ppl all over the world who are interested in us won't find it stupid that despite spending a fortune we look like we hardly can play any football, they won't find it stupid that our manager can't go a sentence without saying philosophy at least once but at the same time playing hoofball with Fellaini at a club like Manchester United, and they also won't find it stupid that we could miss out on top four twice in a row despite being Europe's top Spenders.
Nope! Ladies and gentlemen, all they really care about and find stupid about us is applauding a former player who also happens to be a youth product. He dived, oh my God! So should we then not applaud Janazaj/Di Maria either?
Or should we act with "dignity" as you say in your later post, you know maybe like RM/Barca fans who boo their star players / managers after a couple of bad results?
Erm what does LVG has to do with the fact that some had find it fit to applaud a homegrown talent who dived against his former team and celebrated a goal in front of home fans?
And yes I would certainly not applaud a player who had just received a yellow card/sent off for diving. Is that strange for you?
Tbh he desperately needed To get on the scoresheet again after the dissapointing season he is again having so no wonder he celebrated. To clap him off like he has ever done sth of note for United was cringeworthy but hey nothing against some odd sentimentalism
LvG doesn't have anything to do with it, but you finding such a small thing stupid when LvG and the club has done much more stupid things is the minor issue here. But you are welcome to go on and on about such a ridiculous point and speak for various thousand fans who went to watch the game and decided to do what they found appropriate to do.
If a player dives and celebrate a goal against his homegrown side then he shouldnt be applauded. If a manager is leading the squad badly then he shouldn't be applauded. If a player dives then he shouldnt be applauded. If a manager takes the champions to seventh place then he shouldn't receive a frigging standing ovation. What's wrong with you guys? People are applauded for their positive contribution and not because they did cnutish acts or are incompetent!
What's next? Should England fans give a standing ovation to the Turnip next time he show around? What about Taibi? Should we erect a monument for him?
Welbeck would have been a yard closer to the ball than Giroud managed. That would have got him there before De Gea.
DW often finds himself on the end of scoring opportunities that most other strikers are incapable of reaching. Granted, his finishing isn't the best, but a fair analysis of his game should take everything into account. This forum seems to have a blind spot for athleticism and the attritional aspects of the game.
I know it seems like many posts are praising him; but if you read them carefully they skirt that issue because he actually played poorly and almost certainly held Arsenal back with him poor touches and finishing, as has been his general contribution this season.
If there's one thing I've learned from this thread it's do not take "none of our strikers could do that" or "he'd have been much better than our current strikers if he'd stayed" or "he'd have added much needed dynamism to our attack" as actually praise for Welbeck, because it isn't. It's actually just sentimental posters who want to bash the club and protect a player they've seen come through the ranks. Just realise that you could change the name Welbeck to Enner Valencia and all of the same comments would fit perfectly (and obviously no-one would want Enner Valencia at United). Bizarrely enough you could actually change his name anywhere to the person who actually replaced him "James Wilson" and it would be equally fitting, who is also actually a youth product, but strangely this gets ignored.
Notice the lack of actual words of praise throughout this thread. The words "excellent", "brilliant", "fantastic", "top class" etc are all clearly absent in favour of essentially "better than current shit".
Bar his goal he was poor. Everyone has acknowledged that. No need to overrate his performance.
Rather argue some overplay over it. How often has it been mentioned that we could use Welbecks pace and athletism up front, dont think that's the case on bit. Still dont think Welb would have gotten it, maybe I need to rewatch the situation but it looks to me ddg was off his line really quick.
You need to relax ... I didn't like the Moyes standing ovation at all, but I wasn't there and the fans are welcome to applaud him if they feel they should, and tbf if there had been no plane, there wouldn't have been any standing ovation either.
Whereas I find absolutely nothing wrong to applaud Welbeck, the same way I find nothing wrong that the crowd seems to care and sing more about Ronaldo at times than our own current players (and don't forget that Ronaldo didn't always behave like an angel either, but if the fans want to Show their appreciation, they can do it).
And finally I really don't care about there minor issues, it's not like they are applauding a serial killer, get a grip!
I had no doubt Danny would celebrate like he did if he scored. Unlike some fans, I don't believe he deserved any applause from us. It was more important to him to make some point to the club - when he asked to leave - than to show some respect to the fans. Notice when he left, he never said one word of thanks to the fans or nobody. I swear our foreign players have more respect for the club than the entitled British footballers.
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