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I'd be delighted!
Better than Evans but we need a solid experienced International CB, to partner an improving Smalling. Stones at RB or Jones?
Different mentality playing for United. For the amount we would pay, he'd have to play. Just can't see it.
John Stones biggest assets are his composure and being able to pass and run with the ball out of defence. He'd be a great acquisition for any club. However, I think if Otamendi or Hummels rumours prove to be correct then we'd be overloaded in central defence.
New defender
Smalling
Jones
Rojo
Blackett
McNair
New defender
Smalling
Jones
Rojo
Blackett
McNair
I also think McNair is very similar, and given playing time will be an asset for the club going forward. Stones would just be another block on his developement.
Not according to the quality cover rule.
RB: Valencia, new guy
CB: Otamendi, Smalling, Stones, Jones
LB: Rojo, Shaw
We need an experienced defender in there, a leader, especially with a new goalie as well.
Seems there's quite a lot of substance to the Otamendi rumours which would make this a strange one.
I like Stones a lot and think he will be very good but another young talented CB isn't what we need right now.
I like Stones a lot and think he will be very good but another young talented CB isn't what we need right now.
I was referring to centre-back positions.
I think he's good but we need a right back and an experienced CB I think. We have a young defence and would bring in a left footed partner for smalling ideally. I'd probably take laporte just because he's a brilliant defender and left footed.
I don't think I've seen much of stones at right back, what is he like? Would we be better just trying to bring coleman in?
I don't think I've seen much of stones at right back, what is he like? Would we be better just trying to bring coleman in?
If the figures of Stones in the Mail article being on just 30k are correct then I suspect his agent wants to renegotiate his contract or look for a move.
Aye, signed that contract last summer though, has him there until 2019. I'd say he's done enough for a top 4ish team to be interested and the money isn't likely to be too much at this stage.
Stones has potential but is at most a slight upgrade on Jones, not what we need right now
I'd say only in the sense that he stays fit, bit harsh on Jones otherwise.
LvG for CB?
With Rojo covering the LB role we would have 4 decent CBs all competing for 2 roles. That doesn't look excessive to me
As much as I rate Stones, he is very much half backed, and might not be the best fit for United at this moment in time. We need someone who even apart from the obvious qualitative aspect - can lead the defense by example, assume responsibility and bring more composure, is experienced (preferably in European competitions too), and can handle the grand stage from day one. That way the transition period can be minimized from the get go, and we can make up for the experience drain in recent months, which will only become more pronounced with the imminent departure of De Gea. Someone like Otamendi or Godin fit that bill perfectly from that sense, and would be a really good complement to Smalling/ Jones/ Rojo.
Stones would be the perfect choice in 2-3 years' time - once our defense is settled, the likes of Shaw are more experienced, the goalkeeper situation is steady, and we need to add more young quality players. By then he'll be a more rounded and have more matches under his belt, ready to step in and contribute at a good level. That said, Chelsea or Arsenal might be interested in him with the potential retirement of Terry and Mertesacker, so the competition for his signature will be more intense in the coming seasons. Maybe we could strike a deal with Everton to sign him now with a 2 year loan-back clause ? Kind of a win-win for both clubs, and the player gets to develop in a lower pressure environment. Bigger Italian clubs do it all the time, especially with defenders who need experience.
Stones would be the perfect choice in 2-3 years' time - once our defense is settled, the likes of Shaw are more experienced, the goalkeeper situation is steady, and we need to add more young quality players. By then he'll be a more rounded and have more matches under his belt, ready to step in and contribute at a good level. That said, Chelsea or Arsenal might be interested in him with the potential retirement of Terry and Mertesacker, so the competition for his signature will be more intense in the coming seasons. Maybe we could strike a deal with Everton to sign him now with a 2 year loan-back clause ? Kind of a win-win for both clubs, and the player gets to develop in a lower pressure environment. Bigger Italian clubs do it all the time, especially with defenders who need experience.
That will be strange. A 4 year deal with 2 years loaned back. If that is the case, might as well inform Everton to keep us updated of his situation vis-a-vis his transfer. Although I agree with your post, I think he is the kind of talent we should go for immediately and not let other clubs get him.
Yeah, it would be kind of a strange arrangement for United. But while not a 100% exact match, there are some precedents for a similar type of deal. eg. Adriano was loaned to Parma for 2 seasons in a part ownership deal from Internazionale. Courtois was loaned to Atletico just weeks after signing for Chelsea. Berardi is on loan at Sassuolo after joining Juventus in 2013. Plus, these days United generally signs younger players for a 4 year initial deal + 1 year extension option. eg. Shaw or Memphis. So even if Stones is recalled after 2 seasons, he'll effectively have 3 seasons remaining on the contract. If we do end up signing him in this window (highly unlikely mind), loaning him back might actually be the best situation for his development in terms of playing week in and week out for a club that has borderline European aspirations before moving to United when he's ready.
We need experience in central defence. Lest we are kicking out a number of people at the back or want him asa right back. It would be a strange signing. Talented kid though
He's not better than Jones.
I think its debatable, but I'm glad some people feel that way. Jones gets a slightly bad rep on here sometimes. Far from perfect but still has his upsides
He got contract to 2019 and that could be an overpay for a player with few question marks about his potential. We can always monitor him through next year or two and then make decision.
Still he could be some kind of a back up plan if Jones or Smalling will be endlessly haunted by injuries.
Still he could be some kind of a back up plan if Jones or Smalling will be endlessly haunted by injuries.
He's well on track to being the next top English CB, this signing would mirror our approach in getting Shaw IMO.
Rojo is 3rd choice LB.He definitely must be counted as one of the CB options.
Works for me. Besides Hummels, assuming he could get back to his old beat form, is the only CB who really stands out, that we can have any hope of buying. After that, Otamendi, Stones, Godin and the other options I read about seem of similar usefulness. At that point one considers just sticking with Jones also.
The Liverpool FC Echo reporting that we are no way selling Stones and that the club value him more than the 32m paid for Mangala.
Good player and I do think he has potential. He's they type of player I'd usually like us to sign, but we really need someone a lot more established this summer in order to sort out our problems. Stones would just be a another decent player with good potential who hasn't yet fulfilled it and we've too much of that at centre-back atm.
Godin is way better than Stones and Jones, and even Smalling for that matter.
If we going to sign a young potential for CB I'd rather go with Laporte to be honest.
He is like a rich man's version of Stones
He is like a rich man's version of Stones
Yes, but he's getting on, and so the potential for a long spell with us is less, and thus his overall value is less.
I really hope this is true. He is the ball playing CB that we need. Experience is overrated.
We need a proven centre-back, I don't think he'd be an improvement on our current options. I'd rather wait and see how he further develops at Everton before making any move.
Much more a Utd quality player than Evans, Smalling or Jones but don't think we can have him on our books without getting rid of one of the current three, given our more pressing need for a ready made world class centre back.
Stones had a far better season last season.
Ideally we would buy him and Otamendi, i think Otamendi and Jones would represent the more "aggressive" type of defender, while Smalling and Stones would be the Rio Ferdinand's type of defender.
Not gonna happen though
Not gonna happen though
I'd be delighted if we got him and use Evans as part of the deal. Tbh I'd be happy if he was the only CB that we sign this summer. I'd like to give Smalling and Rojo (both 25 years of age) pairing a fair crack, they have done well this year, considering its Rojo first season with us I expect him to be better next season and step up like Smalling has done. Jones and Stones as cover, Blind and Shaw at LB. RBs need sorting out asap, I can understand LVG not liking Rafael but Valencia is not the answer. I don't know where that would leave McNair and Blackett tbf McNair could be used as a extra.
Surprised its taken us this long to go for him. We need someone like him to fill the void that Rio left and there isn't a better Rio like defender than him available. He's as big a defensive prospect you can find out there. We're not conceding goals cause our defenders lack experience, we're conceding cause the team isn't organised enough, our defenders are injury prone and simple not good enough.
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