It's not that ridiculous a statement, though. I don't think there's one legend in Fergie's era who's gone into management that we'd even consider for the job. Relying on Giggs being the one who is a massive success is incredibly risky, even more so when we don't really have to do it at all.
The Argument for Giggs as our Next Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It's a qualitative statement pal, which means that he doesn't need to prove it's true. Just saying it makes it so. Or something.Rare? Think about my question! The answer is EVERY CEO became a CEO for the first time once! Most will have sat on the board of directors before getting the top job, some might be in a deputy role or a CFO role. But they will have never been in the CEO position until they get their first top job.
Giggs is in exactly that place, he's deputy to the man with the top job. So don't try and tell us that what United appear to be doing is any different to any other business. It might not be the usual way of appointing a manager but if they follow through on the idea of LVG effectively training Giggs it will certainly be an innovative one. And one that is used in private business all the time.
Of course they became a CEO for the first time, but what were they doing before that. Chances are they had experience at a different organization that justified their consideration as CEO.
Giggs is in exactly that place, he's deputy to the man with the top job. So don't try and tell us that what United appear to be doing is any different to any other business. It might not be the usual way of appointing a manager but if they follow through on the idea of LVG effectively training Giggs it will certainly be an innovative one. And one that is used in private business all the time.
Agreed.
Or they worked their way up through the ranks to CEO. What a novel idea.
Oh dear.
The guy (Giggs) is being trained up. He's getting a degree in managing United ffs. Work experience doesn't get better than this. He is the man for the job - like it or not.
This is great point. In which case, why not pursue one of the many qualified managers out there - Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti, (before this week) Klopp etc.
@Raoul you literally don't know what you are talking about when it comes to CEOs because you are completely wrong.
Again the same old shtick. Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Robbo etc. It's a non argument lads. Giggs' situation is incomparable.
Every CEO became a CEO for the first time BUT you dont became a CEO for the first time in a elite organization, they take proven people with experience and thats what United should do.
Prove it.
He's clearly not, otherwise he would be getting more support in these discussions. Its clearly not an open and shut case, which is why this thread is so long.
Good point. And no need to prove it, its just plain common sense.
Except for the fact that it's completely false! If it's not you should be able to prove it to at least some extent.
Remind me where the current CEOs of Apple and Microsoft got their prior experience as CEOs?
Because you quickly googled some random firewall protected article ? Its just common sense that random people don't get CEO positions and you're really cornering yourself by even hinting as much.
Oh Christ. How many examples of first time CEOs in elite organisations will it take for you to admit this sentence is completely wrong? Seriously how many examples do you need me to list for you?
CEO's, if they haven't been headhunted, generally prove themselves at other C-level positions first. The leap from C-level to CEO is much smaller than assistant > manager in football.
Giggs getting one of the biggest jobs in football would be more akin to a really experienced PA of a CEO getting the top job.
Giggs getting one of the biggest jobs in football would be more akin to a really experienced PA of a CEO getting the top job.
So now Giggs is a random person?
This is the best CEO equivalenting argument I've seen, not that I agree with it. The others need to pipe down on the subject.
Oh I don't know. Maybe they were just randomers
If you want me to Google more articles to prove my point I'll gladly do so. Still waiting for you to find me any that prove yours.
To prove what exactly ? I stand by my earlier point that no self-respecting organization gifts inexperienced candidates the top job, especially in sport. Its even more nonsensical when you consider that there are highly experienced candidates on the outside who would probably jump at the chance of managing United.
So are you saying Giggs is currently just a dogsbody at Old Trafford? Kind of like LVGs PA?
You are really something. Most people would just admit they made a mistake.
My logic is air tight - inexperienced people generally don't get hired to top jobs due to romantically idealistic reasons that are cloaked in poor logic when there are actual qualified candidates available.
this thread has taken a wonderful turnI get the romance bit, but I can't understand how anyone would consider Giggs a smart appointment at this point in time. We're in rebuild mode since Fergie retired and not in any position to gamble. We need to get back on our fecking perch and quickly. It's simply not worth the risk.
Sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and shutting your mouth doesn't make your logic airtight because there's still some gas coming out your back end. It's possible to prove your point if it's true because you can easily find examples and statstics on the subject.
This is what makes the Giggs idea so dangerous imo. A complete suspension of logic in favor of nostalgic emotion, and just a couple of years after the Moyes debacle. Its like we didn't learn.
More a comment on the difference in skill-set needed to go from assistant to manager at a club like United. It's a huge leap.
Whereas, your average CEO (when promoted) has come from a skill-set not that far off.
Wasn't Martial Giggs' idea? More than a glorified PA if so.
I've got no idea, but fair play if he was. I agree he's more than a glorified PA. Although PA jobs can be tough too!
On the contrary. It's like we did learn. Quickly! We sacked Moyes in April, installed an insider as caretaker and appointed an experienced coach to rebuild the squad, mentor and train that aforementioned insider. Hopefully our board will never again take a leap into the unknown again line they did with Moyes.
Apparently Giggs scouted him for a year and persuaded LVG to go all out for Martial.
I swear some of the PAs at my company are the real brains behind the operation after working with both them and the people they are meant to be assisting.
So why not skip this next time and just hire, as you said, and experienced coach ?
So to continue the analogy, you don't think three years as assistant manager will provide Giggs with the requisite skill set to make the step up?
I don't think he has the personality, temperament, or leadership skills to do it.
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