As I've said repeatedly in answer to this very question. Giggs succeeding LVG provides stability and continuity.
The Argument for Giggs as our Next Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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But the board do, it would seem.
All things that you aren't in a position to actually judge yourself. You found them stats yet?
That's what it looks like. Let's hope it turns out a bit better than Moyes.
Remember when the CEO of Toyota had prior experience as a CEO elsewhere?
By being 2nd in command, a tier bellow ceo for a long time and consistently performing.
Giggs is just 3 years into the 2nd position. His playing time and knows the club inside out means nothing. The tea lady might be the longest servant of thw club. Doesn't mean we'll employ her.
I dont even think giggs can manage an excel or outlook express, let alone time management, human management, tactical analysis, behavioral approach, etc. He can't dribble his way out of rooney demand for new contract can he?
I can't take this relentless nonsense any more.
Sir Alex does & I'd guess he knows Giggsy far far better as a person than anyone on the caf.
right lads...........IF we assume Giggs will be the next manager, what do you lot think about the teams he would play. We only have those 4 matches.
What are your analysis of those matches.
What are your analysis of those matches.
Fergie choosing the next manager again isn't exactly the best idea is it.
Boom! We finally have a poster comparing him to the tea lady! Congratulations @Sky1981 you win a prize. Not sure what it is yet. We'll have to source something appropriate in our local Dealz.
He isn't choosing though, he's not the only person to endorse him. Yes he endorsed Moyes, but also had a few that he thought would be a better match, the board had the final decision & went for what they could attain easily.
And that's not even the most ridiculous thing in his post
Aye and the day he signed Ralph Milne we should have stopped him from having an influence on signings ever again.
I chose to ignore the really spiteful stuff.And that's not even the most ridiculous thing in his post
It's ALL logic and reason pal, just like Raoul said.
What does that have to do with Fergie choosing the next manager ?
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It might be, but I'd say it's unlikely. Giggs might be an anomoly and take everything in his stride, but then it's equally if not more likely he won't be ready for it. If he took a job elsewhere first, he'd be far more prepared and have a better chance of succeeding.
I've seen people suggest that because the United job is so much bigger, there'd be little to gain from him going out to get experience. Well that is just silly. The experience would be excellent for him.
By that logic, nobody would ever be ready for the United job (and to use the CEO analogy, nobody would ever be ready to step up to CEO). CEO's don't get thrown in at the deep end because that would risk the future of the company, they prove themselves at C-level positions, where the skill-set is closer to the top job.
They show everyone they can handle those tough jobs under pressure. Once they show they are ready they move up, and that's what I'd like Giggs to do. You can't prove yourself enough as an assistant because you don't have to prove the exact same skill-set, and you don't have to do it under anywhere near as much presssure.
There are skills he'd need for United he couldn't learn elsewhere, sure, but that doesn't mean we should just say "feck it" and ignore the other experience it's possible to gather. He could learn plenty of relevant stuff at a mid-level PL club, and then combine that knowledge with his 20 odd years of handling the pressure as a player at United to come up his own solution to the problem.
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Oh i don't know, nobody knows - not you, not me. Let's try him out and see.
It means Fergie makes mistakes too. But he rarely made the same mistake twice.What does that have to do with Fergie choosing the next manager ?
You're saying because he got Moyes wrong (who apparently wasn't his first choice anyway) then we shouldn't trust him on future manager advice. Well he got the odd signing wrong as well, doesn't mean we should disregard his opinion on them.What does that have to do with Fergie choosing the next manager ?
You found any stats to support your bollocks yet or still trying to keep your logic airtight by not allowing any new information to enter your head?
Buddy, I told you i'm not going to find stats. We're having a discussion and don't need to get into a dueling google search standoff to participate.
Until he actually does, then what ?
The great thing about Google is it means that people can't just say things that blatantly aren't true and get away with it any more because they are easily proven wrong. You should try it some time instead of hating on it.
You're dead right @Raoul. These discussions are much more meaningful when posters just make up 'facts' that they don't need to back up.
Let's get beyond this fatuous strain of providing stats vs no providing stats and try to heighten the substance of the discussion a bit.
That's the nature of the forum though - we provide and discuss opinions, which are interpretative and qualitative in nature.
BrilliantThe thing you said that I've taken exception to is not a matter of opinion. You're either wrong or your right and if you're right then you should be able to back it up with some evidence.
Its been like that since the beginning.
Well not really - if I'm right and i develop an argument about why I'm right, and you do the same for your position, then that's all that's necessary. It's a football forum, not a research paper.
Its too much of a risk too soon after the Moyes debacle. I still think we should put him in charge of the reserves and see how he does there.
I'd love him to manage us if he went off and managed a mid sized club elsewhere. That would tell us a lot about whether he has the temperament to manage anywhere, let alone at United.
Nor is it definitive to quickly lasso one firewalled article in google. There is no doubt there is more research in that particular area (which I won't be looking for), and then there is also this idea that football is differently nuanced than what suit wearing executives at corporations look for in one another, but the general idea of having skills, experience, and accomplishments can't be casually dismissed because you're dealing with a likeable candidate.
No it doesnt. You are just ignoring the points people are bringing up and calling others irrational. BTW I hope we dont appoint Giggs as the next manager, he needs more experience.
Can't disagree. I do find the idea that Giggs is qualified because he's a likeable club legend quite irrational.
Today I learned that logic is making up "facts" that you can't actually prove. I'm off to sleep now (which by the way was invented by Albert Einstein in 1556 - that's a qualitative statement).
Good night.But it's not, though. The aforementioned are United greats who have gone into management, and not done overly well. Even though who have done well are not of the standard we are looking for. So why is Giggs going to be different? Why should we take the risk?
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