Then how about being honest and just say that we have not been good enough and we're trying to improve. I know there's a way of putting a positive spin on things but, seriously, he does spout a lot of nonsense most of the time. And no, it's not because of his proficiency (or lack there of) in the English language.
van Gaal pre match press conference vs Swansea 16:00 GMT
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He didn't even do an injury round-up, I was waiting for that before I did my line-up. 
He actually said that.
The vulturisation (I know it's not an actual word) on redcafe is reaching sick levels.
I know he said that in the run up to this presser but I'm actually talking about today's interview. We weren't the dominant team in most of those matches that he's talking about, so he's just basically talking out of his are I'm afraid.
Nice work. I agree. There is so much cicurularisation going on.
There is nothing he could have said which would have avoided posters like you hating on him. Some have already made their minds up.
From what I have learned so far when we dominate possession he thinks of us as a dominating team.
I think the problem many have with what he now says is twofold:
1. When he arrived he hinted at a three-year plan which - very clearly - aimed for a great deal more than we're likely to get. I don't recall him re-stating such a plan explicitly. If he had done that, admitting that he underestimated the difficulty of the task to an extent, that would've been fair enough - at least for my money.
2. If the club - him and Woody - had been open about the long term plan, stating officially that this is a transition, or a rebuild, or a partial restructuring of the operation, that too would've been fair enough - for my money. They have not been open, though. Which makes it much easier to simply conclude that what we're seeing is underwhelming and unsatisfactory. What LVG says can be construed as Moyes-isms, or indefensible attempts at lowering expectations without proper explanation or justification.
1. When he arrived he hinted at a three-year plan which - very clearly - aimed for a great deal more than we're likely to get. I don't recall him re-stating such a plan explicitly. If he had done that, admitting that he underestimated the difficulty of the task to an extent, that would've been fair enough - at least for my money.
2. If the club - him and Woody - had been open about the long term plan, stating officially that this is a transition, or a rebuild, or a partial restructuring of the operation, that too would've been fair enough - for my money. They have not been open, though. Which makes it much easier to simply conclude that what we're seeing is underwhelming and unsatisfactory. What LVG says can be construed as Moyes-isms, or indefensible attempts at lowering expectations without proper explanation or justification.
Old Trafford is a different story though, I wasn't at the game , but on TV sounded like the fans in the Chelsea game really were amazing.
That really is the nub of the issue isn't it, LVG's definition of 'domination' is very different to what we expect from United.
I'm sorry but anyone who still believes in this deluded ass is a clown, it's like he's taking the piss out of the club.
If de gea and the defence passed it between them for 90 minutes this clown would say we were the dominant team while getting a 0-0 and doing zero attacking, hes a fecking clown!
And if you dont assess December, wtf
we're leading the possession league! get in!!!
I get that. But we didn't "dominate" every match that he was referring to. I can remember us being almost the less dominant team in the game vs Stoke.
Oh absolutely, and I don't even blame the people on redcafe for being angry but just this whole need to nail him for everything is slightly irritating. He is not an idiot and he obviously knows that his job is in danger so I am not sure why people need to take every word he says so seriously.
Thanks the fans.Obviously not the ones on this forum.
Not nearly as efficient as yourself
Can Manchester United score...they rarely score...
...Young into towards Fellaini, it's come for Martial...cleared...Blind with the shot...ROONEY........goal kick
...Young into towards Fellaini, it's come for Martial...cleared...Blind with the shot...ROONEY........goal kick
We must be the only fans in the world that analyse the manager's every comment. Even the press don't do it ffs. he knows we are in a bad situation. He knows we need wins to come out of it. He's not daft.
Dammit.
Agree and we know those at the top of the pecking order
Unfortunately that's how it is going to be here unless results change for good or till LvG goes. It was like this during Moyes era too, particularly Dec onwards, when people used to analyze each and every word of his and give it a negative turn. No point arguing as such arguments will only go in circles when so many fans now hate LvG.
Surely a dominant side is the one who has scoring chances? Who has the other side under the hammer, not pissing about on the edge of the box, passing it everywhere but forwards. That is like a boxer who dances round the ring but never lands a knockout punch.
I have a 'friend' who used to go out with a girl I know, from another phase in my life, let us say. Everywhere (well seems like everywhere) I go he's there, in my face, offering opinions, talking loudly, waving from across the street. I have on occasions gone to extreme lengths to avoid him. His style of fashionable-sounding pronouncements on hot headline topics is as predictable as it is patronising, and always with a touch of narcissicistic gratuitious insult to someone or other. Its the D Trump school of punditry. In fact, I think he posts in here. I could easily script his posts. They would have to be anti-LVG, but just a bit too insulting. But if the team suddenly went on a good run he'd be hitching a ride on a different bandwagon. I don't blame the people on the Caf for being angry and disappointed. A lot of dreams havent turned out like we might have expected. Moyes. Falcao. ADM. Etc. The general tone of the Caf (with many honourable exceptions of course) is like the teenagers of the Boom years, prospects dimmed and expectations intact. Cheep, cheep, cheep! It's hard to be positive this New Year, I know. But I still think things are going to improve.
You hate it because I was right about him.
I genuinely don't know/couldn't care less about your history of comments on him, it was just an easy line.
"so when you don't assess December"....the man is an idiot
The sooner he fecks off the better.
Exactly. How can he say we we're almost always the dominant side if we hardly did none of these things?
Isn't that why he said 'most'.
Some of you just look to twist anything he says. It is obvious from his statements he knows we are in a rut, which started rightly or wrongly in his view, from the formal CL games. He is obviously going to praise the players for the Chelsea game as in previous games, they just didn't turn up for Norwich or Stoke, so the players as well as him were under enormous pressure.
There seems to be a lot of hypocritical views on here, the team plays shite, he has no plan B and can't motivate the players, then when he tries and builds player confidence in public to motivate them you twist every word he says.
It is pretty obvious he had a 4th place minimum target for his first year, he got it, whether we liked the football (and I didn't like most of it) he still achieved his target. Prior to December we were sitting very pretty in the PL table this season (not because of the shite around us) because we won points off the teams we played. The same teams that everyone else is playing. It has not been good in December, which he has acknowledged by saying prior to that it was good in his eyes.
I don't like him bigging up (another) 0-0 draw against a sub par team, which is what Chelsea are this season, in an effort to lower expectations. It's Moyes-esque.
But he's been lowering expectations all season, ever since he realized the magnitude of the task on his hands.
But he's been lowering expectations all season, ever since he realized the magnitude of the task on his hands.
It's either we are going to disagree with him or we are misunderstanding what he means. If we are misunderstanding what he means are the players doing the same?
I actually believe that most of the posters on here are quite rational. Most of us here believe that the manager has failed with squad that he has built, which is a fact. Most of us believe that he should have done a much better job with the amount of money spent. Most of us do not believe that the "total human" principle is important when it comes to managing Manchester United. The buck stops with van Gaal and he needs to realize that getting a point against Chelsea who are 15th in the league with making two shots on target is not a decent result for Manchester United. When he came first he talked about writing the history together, before the Chelsea game he did not know what to do else to improve. One day he says we have the best fans in the world, on another day he wants us to realize that the times have changed and the fans need to realize it. We have a "Jurgen Flopp" thread here, so "Louis van Flopp" is quite appropriate too.
What's his minimum target for this season? I would presume it is higher than 4th. Not getting knocked out of the group stages in the CL and maybe win a trophy. He still has three chances. Two are on current form not achievable. That leaves the F.A. Cup.
Like you, I have no idea what the target is, I am pretty sure it is not going to be you must finish 3rd to better last year. I would hazard a guess that he is expected to still qualify for the CL for next year, that we have challenged for the title (not at the half way stage, as per scouse world, but by May), and we do well in the cups. If we are to be believed it is a 3 year plan, I would say the title is the target next year, but does it really matter if it is his last year.
That last point is the one that really worries me. That he might be expected to win the league with a bunch of players who know he is going. SAF suffered when his players knew he was going to retire the first time. This will maybe show what sort of relationship he has with his players. If they want him to go out on a high or just go through the motions for a season. You would hope that some have a bit of ambition.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the targets for every season are simply these:
*Top 4
*Knockout stages of the CL
*That's it.
*Top 4
*Knockout stages of the CL
*That's it.
*make Rooney feel great