so he's got us playing shit with what he bought. he's got what he's got because it's his fecking side. picked and played by the div known as LVG.
Is there anyone left who wants to defend lvg now?
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Exactly.
From the team that started today, he's bought Darmian, Blind, Morgan, Herrera, Martial, Memphis and brought through Lingard himself.
7/11 are his players, and no manager in the world could bemoan having De Gea in goals.
It's his team he's bought and picked.
those players , who are good enough to win matches. a good , not even great , a good manager with his head on straight would have us further up the table. LVG is shit at his job and anyone of us would be shit canned.
You need have a word with yourself. A shit result, caused by some pretty poor defensive play, but that wasn't in general a shit performance. If you don't like the guy great, if you want rid of him great, but to constantly make out every single thing is shit is a bit OTT.
First time that an opposition side has not sat back, and our forwards had the freedom and confidence to move, and were often found by the midfield. There was quite a lot of quick passing movement, with the usual culprits slowing it down. Not vintage by any means, but considerably better in attack than previously. What 'Pele' was bloody thinking is anyone's guess,very poor play by Smalling. Fellani a total non-event the whole game and then misses a sitter. Lingard scored a beauty, but other than that was pretty piss poor.
A Newcastle team who can't score, and before the game were I believe 17th in the league scored three past us.
If that isn't a poor performance then god helps us when we have one.
No he got sacked and they qualified for the champions league. Just about.
i need a word with LVG , actually 3 "you are fired" - you need to stop defending this nightmare reign of LVG. FFS he's killing the team.
we can't play a complete match. not a single complete match playing good football , balanced football. we'll disagree until he's been fecked off. i believe he is the root of the problem you don't. it won't be much longer if we keep dropping points and positions. we've not beat a quality side this season that i can remember other than the OG v spurs. that and the dippers earlier.
By the same argument everyone has been saying the Geordies didn't deserve to lose to Everton, Watford and Arsenal. The ball just wouldn't run for them in those games. We should have cruised this game, but as usual a few poor decision by our own players led to the opposition taking advantage. still don't accept that a scoreline reflects fully how we played, otherwise, why is everyone bleating on about LVG when we beat Swansea and Sheffield United, if the win implies a good performance.
I was quite impressed with the Geordies, they played forward passes like we used to under Fergie. I thought the Brolly Wally had them well organised in attack and quite combative in midfield. Given they're supposed to be a ropey side that game showed how weak we are in so many areas and the immaturity of certain players.
That's a difference of opinion. I am not defending him, I am defending what I feel are unjust comments on we are always shit. Is LVG really the issue for this game? we were cruising, then 'Pele' decides to have a brainfart, Lingard and Fellani decide to feck up the simplest of chances, and Darmian decides not to close down near then end for them to cross. Hardly tactics or personnel. It is players not doing their fecking job.
Again, you shouldn't need to be scoring 4 or 5 to beat this shite Newcastle side. This isn't the first time we've looked incredibly vulnerable defensively when playing a style of football that creates more than one chance in a game so it's completely disingenuous to suggest that this was an isolated incident.
That say's it all for me.
Herrera, Martial, Lingard, Schniderlin all went missing in the second half. Even Young, when we counter attacked, he would go sprinting, pass to martial and then revert back to his defensive position, no overlap, feck all and the move dies. Fellani didn't even turn up.
We have no winning mentality in the players. Shocking really.
so they haven't been doing their jobs since i can't remember. we had a great run last season then fell flat at the end of the season with loads of different players. new players come in still the same dire shit football with a whole set (or close) of new players not doing their jobs? or is it as simple as LVG is the one not doing his job? i think it's the latter. and not for nothing we are shit.
The longer this goes on without him being sacked and replaced by Mourinho, the more I am convincing myself we are in for Pep.
And the bigger my disappointment is going to be come summer time
And the bigger my disappointment is going to be come summer time
They're built on a not losing mentality hence the panic when it all goes pear shaped.
This might sound crazy but I want Schneiderlin to play like Colin Bell! A high energy engine, attacking and defending, and stamping his authority on the game for 90 minutes. But he just seems float around and has no authority, eventually just disappearing. I notice with Martial that he has passed into the 'on' 'off' mode which shows the strain of playing in the EPL. Ander burns out, a bundle of energy that fixes and bangs, then its over. Jesse is great but exceedingly immature as the goal celebrations and the miss highlight. I really don't know why Fellaini was playing and Blind is close to becoming a liability with long dropping balls. The defence is seriously useless and the Geordies showed the world how square they are all the time.
Not much wrong with that analysis. I think the lack of a full time RB and LB is hindering the CBs. Be better when Shaw is back, I think Darmian has not continued from his early promise. Pretty obvious McClaren noticed all the space that Martial had in the first half so asked the defender to stick to him, essentially man mark him in the second half. He didn't have the experience to work out what to do.
Winning mentality should be instilled by the manager
So only 4 teams have lost less than us, only 6 have scored more than us, and only 1 has let in less than us, we are 6th in the league, but apparently we are shit. That is what I am defending against. We all agree we are dire to watch most of the time. But the OTT comments against tonight's result are just not justified. Be pissed at certain players I can understand, but I do not believe LVG was at fault today. The only concern most fans had was the inclusion of Fellani in the first 11. However, who else was fit to play in that role, when everyone was saying get rid of Mata as he has been poor recently.
Pretty easy to defend him for that game. The team squandered a 2-0 lead and our best player had a hand in 3 goals conceded. If Smalling would have had a normal game it would have been a slam dunk.
Yes, the defence certainly needs boosting.
The deficit of experience really showed tonight in the way we let them counter. There was no solid attempt to hold up the play and form a concerted defence. It was all very patchy in the last thirty minutes.
I would argue the opposite, if you as a person don't have it, it doesn't matter what your manager says or thinks. People are winners.
smalling , rooney , dave the save , carrick , swieny , jones , young , mata and i think even memphis have won titles since LVG's last one.
winning begets winning something LVG hasn't done enough of at this club.
winning begets winning something LVG hasn't done enough of at this club.
If anyone did any prior research on van gaal and what type of manager he is - then people would be more patient.
The similarity between the shouting imbecile bayern/barcelona fans and us is uncanny.
It does really make you wander why he was hired in the first place, not just by us but all the clubs he did manage.
It's getting harder & harder to listen to the fans who want him out because they see things in a monolingual manner.
To think there is 3 managers in the world that can guarantee success whilst the rest is a roulette, i thought we would be patient with someome who is CLEARLY building the team up for someone else.
The similarity between the shouting imbecile bayern/barcelona fans and us is uncanny.
It does really make you wander why he was hired in the first place, not just by us but all the clubs he did manage.
It's getting harder & harder to listen to the fans who want him out because they see things in a monolingual manner.
To think there is 3 managers in the world that can guarantee success whilst the rest is a roulette, i thought we would be patient with someome who is CLEARLY building the team up for someone else.
In 4 years time when guardiola or giggs is managing a title winning squad with the likes of martial & memphis being unplayable, smalling & blind having an almost synchronised partnership & where the likes of shaw, mcnair & lingard all improve and grow.. Come back to this thread and thank van gaal.
There's only one reason, muller, alaba, schweinsteiger, robben, ribery, xavi, iniesta, puyol, valdes-ish, badstuber etc speek highly of this manager & because he was fundamental to the building of success.
He himself has been an average trophy winning manager for years but no one can doubt his methodical & observant methods on the long term future of this club.
He went barcelona - eventually became unbeatable & still unbeatable after his . Spain win the world cup-something never to be done.
He went tk bayern- eventually became unbeatable & still unbeatable after his sacking. Germany also go on to win the world cup.
Every squad is tarnished with LVG players be that international or club & i have no doubt we will succeed after he has had his time cut lose by impatient fans.
There's only one reason, muller, alaba, schweinsteiger, robben, ribery, xavi, iniesta, puyol, valdes-ish, badstuber etc speek highly of this manager & because he was fundamental to the building of success.
He himself has been an average trophy winning manager for years but no one can doubt his methodical & observant methods on the long term future of this club.
He went barcelona - eventually became unbeatable & still unbeatable after his . Spain win the world cup-something never to be done.
He went tk bayern- eventually became unbeatable & still unbeatable after his sacking. Germany also go on to win the world cup.
Every squad is tarnished with LVG players be that international or club & i have no doubt we will succeed after he has had his time cut lose by impatient fans.
I bet you're a bundle of fun at parties.
Does anybody remember what places in their respective leagues were Barca and Bayern holding, when Louis was sacked from these clubs? He was SACKED due to awful results. Does anybody remember Bayern's president's reasons for firing him? I do not buy this building a team for the next manager bollocks. LvG was given carte blanche, his work will be evaluated based on what he achieves with us, just as it happens to each and every manager in this world. Just like his previous work for the Dutch National team, which fell apart spectacularly after Louis left. Even SAF was judged by the results he achieved, so Louis, who is far behind Sir Alex, is no exclusion. He is doing pretty shite and no top club in the world would have tolerated it for this long.
I get it that you dont get it. You are not the first.
It's a results based industry after all. However, ever since SAF retirement we have the choice of being like Madrid, City & PSG or Bayern & Barcelona who have a clear dignified ethos from top to bottom.
Guess we just have to see. Any fan of LVG knew he was alwaya going to fail in the instant success thresholds.
I've calmed down a little. What you're saying is spot on because we can't ever, I mean effing EVER, seem to be capable of playing a balance game. When we are great going forward we then descend into a chaotic pub team like organisation at the back. When we are defensively solid we then are mired in mind numbing treadmill going forward. Oh man and some of his signings were shocking. Darmian, Morgan and Blind were pretty bad.
I know I am not being too coherent but it's hard to even fathom how we can fix this mess if LVG stays on because there seems to be so many issues from a game to game playing perspective. All I know is that watching this team play is not a pleasant experience but being a fan I can't simply walk away.
I guess, we have to agree to disagree, or you are not getting what majority of fans are. The industry is results based. Results are crap. Van Gaal's history at Barca and Bayern shows that he fails so badly that the Boards have to sack him. The managers after him succeed not because Louis was a genius, but because they did things differently thus letting the teams reach their potential instead of stifling. I am sure our Board think the same. They will not let him build for a potential future, if he fails to get us into top 4 this season, he is gone, no future.
This is what i believe to be the future. Van gaal cannot change much because everything comes from a sole pointed direction. If he changes something, so does his tactics, so does his players.
However, i believe that footballers are not imbeciles and the way we can keep possesion of the ball, completely stifle attacks (not today tbf), basically treat many games as we are the home team in all ways currently except in goals scored.. It will all be passed on impeccably..
What we then need is someone to do all the things van gaal will refuse to do & we can automatically blend 2 methods perfectly.
and then your FM save game crashes
What have i said that shows any similarity to a game? I've mentioned players who are currently in the team
No he isn't.
Rooney, Carrick, Schweinsteiger offer nothing at all to the next manager. Nor do Young or Valencia.
Blind, Mata and Fellaini are so slow that most managers would wonder what on earth they are doing at an elite club. You might get away with one in the team but not 2 or 3.
Wilson and Januzaj sent out on loan. Tons of youngsters who get a few mins on the pitch then almost nothing. Anyone seen much of Pereira recently ? Didn't even get to start a 3rd round FA cup tie at home.
Gets rid of Rafael, Welbeck, Hernandez - all players who have contributed to title winning sides and could be valuable in the next few years. LVG would rather use RVP and Falcao; that's long term thinking for you.
The history books will show LVG to have been an exceptional manager but his time at United a complete disaster. He thought his way would work in the PL only to discover that it didn't; after which he simply hadn't a clue what to do.
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if it's 2 or 3 players not doing their jobs I can understand your argument.
but if everyone has collectively underwhelming for an extended period of time, like what's basically happening to us, problems extend to more than simply just players not doing their jobs.
I'm not absolving players of blame, but van gaal deserves just as much, if not more criticism than our players for his poor team selections, substitutions, and tactics.
I think the last three or four games have shown a massive improvement.
You're easily pleased.
pretty much anything can be a massive improvement over an 8 game winless run.
Surprise surprise. Most apt tagline around.
After every Liverpool match, you're in that thread accusing Klopp of being a fraud but are still defending what Van Gaal is doing with a superior squad.Yeah mate, you're right, I've spent hundreds of pounds this year going to United games and supporting my team because I'm a WUM.