Test Cricket draft: QF : Ijazz17 vs Mani @ National Stadium, Karachi

Who will win test match?


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Welcome to quarter final match up between Ijazz17 and Mani of test cricket sheep draft. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) This is test only draft. So, judge players and team on test records only.
2) Match up will be in test format.
3) The ground the match is on is to indicate overall conditions from that country, not JUST the ground. Although, specific ground related records maybe used in discussion.
4) Voting will be available for 24 hours after poll is created.


Mani has won the toss and will be batting first.
 
Ijazz17 XI: Arthur Morris, Bruce Mitchell, Wally Hammond, Sir Frank Worrell (C), SPD Smith, Misbah-Ul-Haq, Shakib Al Hasan, MS Dhoni (Wk), , Anil Kumble, Fred Trueman, Glenn McGrath

Mani/Varun XI: HANIF MOHAMMAD, KEPLER WESSELS(C), ROHAN KANHAI, MARTIN CROWE, ALVIN KALLICHARRAN, MICHAEL CLARKE, JEFF DUJON(WK), MICHAEL HOLDING, JOEL GARNER, FRANK TYSON, SUBHASH GUPTE
 
Ijazz17 team:

Arthur Morris (Ave: 46.48):The acme of elegance and the epitome of sportsmanship, Morris was a man than outshone even the Don’s exploits at times. In the Don’s farewell tour series, Morris averaged 87.00 in 5 tests compared to 72.57, the Don Managed. When Bradman penned his farewell to cricket, he wrote this about Morris: “Of all the Australian batsmen, I select two as being the finest of my period — (Bill) Ponsford and Morris. The choice of Morris may be risky for he is still young enough to have many years of cricket ahead of him, but I have the confidence his wonderful beginning will be more than maintained. Morris is a player of individuality — of distinctive style. One would not hold him up as a copybook model, for he, too, is a genius and does things others could not, and should not, try to emulate.” Journalist, Ray Robinson had this to say about Morris: “No other Test star has equalled this fair-haired left-hander in instant adaptability to strange conditions. No other post-war batsman has rivalled his smashing counter-attacks on bowling swift enough to give the toughest of team the tremors. A menacing bouncer colliding with Morris’s bat was like a rocky fist against an iron jaw.”

Bruce Mitchell (Ave: 48.88):Ironically starting off his career as a dangerous leg spinner in first class cricket, Mitchell slowly worked his up way up the batting order to open for a South African team which lacked noticeable quality in batting. Possessing a full range of strokes and superb footwork, he played with patience and endurance (On average spent 152 balls between dismissals, third only to Sid Barnes, Don Bradman and Sutcliffe). Had he been playing for a team with a better batting line-up, he might have become an all-time great. To Morris’s attacking approach, Mitchell’s Defensive prowess is seen as the ideal combination to begin my team’s terrific batting line-up.

Wally Hammond (Ave: 58.45):“I preferred to see just an hour of Walter Hammond to eight or 10 hours of Don Bradman”said Len Hutton, someone who knew a bit about batting. Can a greater compliment ever be paid to one of the finest athletes to grace the sport? Wally was peerless, a one man army.“He could make a hundred or two against Australia, then bowl down their first three wickets, then make with ease at slip a catch which others would not merely miss but would not have even rated as a miss” posited Raymond Robertson-Glasgow, one of Wally’s contemporaries. Enough cannot be said about the natural genius of this man. It is true, that he was a troubled soul and led a tumultuous life, but such greatness always comes at a price. In his final years as a University cricket coach, he honed the skills of a certain Barry Richards.
Oh and He played professional Football too.

Sir Frank Worrel* (Ave: 49.48): The first black captain of the West Indies team, Worrel was also their most charismatic and influential. But do not fooled by his immaculate persona alone, Worrel formed a third of what is now called the infamous three Ws and was probably the most stylish and technically gifted of the three. He united West Indian Cricket in a way no cricketer before his time did, and paved the way for greats like Clive Lloyd and Viv Richards. Worrell led West Indies in 15 Tests: they won nine of these and lost three. In two of the remaining three, the Tests ended with the sides batting in the fourth innings nine wickets down. As for the other, it ended in being the first ever tie.

Steven Smith (Ave: 57.90):A Legend in the making. First hoped by many to be the next Shane Warne (Yep, you heard that right!), Smith quickly made his mark with the bat and started ripping up record books one by one. The second youngest to top the ICC Cricket Test ratings, to beating Don Bradman’s 65 year record of Highest runs in an Indo-Aus Series, to being the only player in history to score a century in ODI’s and Test debuts as captain, the list goes on and on and he’s still only 26! Capable of easily playing Spin and Pace, you really can’t ask for a better player to come in at No 5.

Misbah-Ul-Haq (Ave: 48.89):“Tuk Tuk” as he is sometimes called for his temperamental and calculative style of play, Misbah has overtaken Imran Khan and Miandad as Pakistan’s most successful test captain. This is all the more impressive considering Pakistan were mired in controversy when he took over and the fact that Pakistan have not played a single test match at home since 2009. His captaincy has had no effect on his batting whatsoever as he continued to merrily lap up the runs. Though he can frustrate bowlers with his defensive patience and solid technique, he is also capable of turning on the style. He is currently the joint owner of the fastest ever century in test cricket alongside Sir Viv.

Shakib Al Hasan (Bat Ave: 39.76; Bowl Ave: 33.31; Bowl SR: 66.5):The best cricketer Bangaladesh has ever produced and a proper all-rounder by every sense of the word. As a batsman, he has excellent temperament and there is an aggression to his batting which is well supplemented by his wide range of strokes. As a bowler, he is accurate, consistent and canny. He was the first Bangladeshi to win the Wisden Cricketer World Test Player of the Year in 2009, only two years after his test debut beating some giants of the game to the award. He has been in ICC’s top five Test all-rounders since 2011. Not to be fazed by the big occasions (to be honest, the team he plays for, every match would be a big occasion), I see him play an important role in my team. Most of his endeavor unfortunately ends in vain, but he single handedly is often the difference between Bangladesh losing a match going down with some spirit rather than losing meekly. He won’t have that problem in my team. He also probably does not get as much recognition as he deserves simply owing to the nation he represents. If he played for say India or Pakistan, Journalists and fans alike would be raving about him. For the doubter’s, Here’s an example of what he can do with the bowl.

MS Dhoni† (Ave: 38.09):India’s best ever wicket-keeper batsman and by some distance. “Dhoni is my hero. We talk a lot about Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag, but this boy has as much as talent as anyone in the game.” said the legend Kapil Dev once. A simple google search will just tell you how highly rated this unorthodox and inspirational cricketer is by peers, rivals and legends of the game. He may obviously be known for his captaincy, but when the situation is tense, he is just as effective with the bat. A true modern day legend.

Anil Kumble (Ave: 29.65; Econ: 2.69; SR: 65.9):No bowler in India’s test history has won more matches for his team than Anil Kumble. There was no harder trier in bowling, he constantly endeavoured to improve his game, constantly improving his googly, generated greater side spin and added more variation to an armoury perfected over time through practice. If the surface helped the ball skid or there was a semblance of cracks, he would become unplayable. Bounce would nourish him as well.

Fred Trueman (Ave: 21.57; Econ: 2.61; SR: 49.4):One of the greatest fast bowlers England has ever produced, Trueman was the first ever cricketer to pick up 300 Test Wickets. “Fiery Fred” apart from searing pace, had great control over swing, especially a mean out swinger, the off cutter and also was a very intelligent cricketer. He was also a very colourful character, one that stood out and one that is remembered fondly of even today. Richard Hutton, son of Sir Len Hutton once asked him“Did you ever bowl a plain straight ball?” and fiery Fred immediately replied“Aye, I did — and it went straight through like a stream of piss and flattened all three.”

Glen McGrath (Ave: 21.64; Econ: 2.49; SR: 51.9):Freakish accuracy second to none, McGrath will always be remembered for his relentless consistency in the corridor of uncertainty. A mammoth 225 of his 563 wickets include opening batsman or those coming in at one down. Less than a century of his wickets constitute batsman at No 9 and lower. There is no better man to open my bowling attack with.
 
Ijazz17 team continued:

Team Changes

I thank Trescothick and Marsh for their immense contribution in the previous match, but unfortunately, they make way for one of the best Openers in test cricket and one of the greatest Wicket keeping batsman of this sport. Morris and Dhoni will elevate my already impressive batting line-up to another level. Another change is the unfortunate omission of Aussie great Jeff Thomson. In his place, is the excellent all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan. Shakib’s batting record in the subcontinent and his ability to make the most out of the pitch will be invaluable.

Game Plan

With Mani/Varun’s team opting to bat first, Glen McGrath and Trueman will be right at it from the off. If there is any hint of swing, Trueman’s bowling will be a real problem to deal with for any batsman in the world. McGrath with his knack for picking up early wickets on any condition should see me pick up a few wickets early on at regular intervals. They are an excellent bowling pair for any team with the amount of variation and consistency they offer and their ability to pick up wickets regularly. Most of Marun’s team have also not faced spinners like Kumble or Shaikb and that could be the difference here. But I cannot deny that Marun’s team has some really good players and I certainly don’t expect them to fall so easily. They will get their runs without doubt, however, I don’t think they have the strength in depth with their batting as should be the case on pitches like these. The way I see it, their batting is solid till No 6, with Dujon seen more as a handy man to have around. Even Dujon will get you the runs, but it may still maybe 50-100 short of what they were hoping to get. Regardless, I definitely see them getting close to 300-350 in the first innings.

In the second Innings, I expect a solid opening partnership between Morris and Mitchell. Morris will not fear Marun’s bowling line-up and will more than easily deal with them. Mitchell will be defensively solid as ever. Even if he won’t get you enough runs on the board, he will frustrate the bowlers. When it’s time for the likes of Hammond and Worrel to come to the crease (If Mitchell ever gets out that is), expect some of the most beautiful batting you will ever see in the Sheep Drafts. They have more than what it takes to build a partnership of 250+ on their own. How deadly the duo of them can, really cannot be stressed enough. Following them will be the likes of Steven Smith, Misbah, Shakib and Dhoni, and my team has what it takes to build a really mammoth score for the second Innings.

By the time the third innings comes knocking, I hope the pitch will start to crack, and there will be more on offer for the spinners. Kumble and Shakib should relish the pitch at that stage and should really dominate proceedings. Marun’s team will still stand strong no doubt, but they may not get a score as good as the first innings.

When the fourth Innings, comes along, out batsman will probably do more of the same. Considering I have some excellent finishers of the game in Smith, Dhoni and Misbah, I should expect us to win this by Day 5, final session.

Key Battles
  • Batting: Both teams are really strong in the batting line-up, but I believe I have the greater number of Game changers in my side. Also not to mention, more strength in depth. Marun have 6 excellent + 1 Handy batsmen, whereas I have 8 excellent + 1 will survive the second Innings somehow batsmen (i.e Kumble). That extra one or two batsmen can make all the difference in tense encounters like this.
  • Bowling: Marun have a kickass bowling line-up. But I see them all being of a similar mould. Depending on the conditions, that may be a good thing or a bad thing. I on the other hand, have plenty of variation with my bowling line-up. Trueman on his own is Mr Variation himself. McGrath is Mr Consistent. Add to that Spin Master Kumble and Shakib’s ability to turn the ball and also possesing a very deceptive arm ball, I have most of my bases covered. For those that doubt if my team can take 20 wickets in the match, I would like to remind you that my top four have taken 1,636 wickets in test matches alone. Even Wally (over 700 FC wickets) and Worrel can bowl a bit to give my leading bowlers the odd break.
  • Keeping: Dujon might be technically the better keeper (Though, I doubt it, one of those things which can’t be really compared), Dhoni is by far the better batsman. His ability to stay calm even under pressure will do him no harm. Also, Dujon is a better keeper when he is 20 yards behinds the stumps. But when the likes of Gupte bowl up close, I expect him to struggle. It’s easy to keep to a fast bowler, but it’s a whole different ball game when keeping to deadly spinners. Dhoni might even need a helmet on when Kumble bowls. Add to this, Dhoni has lightning fast reflexes, so if he smells even a whiff of an opportunity, he will knock those stumps down in a flash. I certainly can see him take a stumping in the match.
  • Fielding: Wally was one of the greatest fielders of his time. Steven Smith is an excellent Modern day fielder. Morris and Mitchell were very good at slip. Shakib is also a very good fielder. Whilst, this is not an ODI, a better fielding will definitely result in more runs saved and fewer dropped catches. Small details like this may make all the difference in the match.
Verdict

Honestly, I see a draw written all over this match in a one-off. But if it were a 5 match series, I can see us nicking it 1-0 or 2-0. Draw, we might, but I certainly don’t see us losing this.


Good Luck @Mani and @Varun. May the best team win. :)
 
Mani/Varun team:

Hanif Mohammad

Hanif was the first star of Pakistan cricket, the "Little Master" who played the longest innings in Test history - his 970-minute 337 against West Indies in Bridgetown in 1957-58 - then followed it a year later with the highest first-class innings to that point, 499 run out. With such feats, broadcast on radio, he turned cricket in Pakistan from the preserve of the Lahore educated elite into the mass sport it is today. Although famous for his immaculate defence and never hitting the ball in the air, Hanif could also attack, and was probably the originator of the reverse-sweep. His versatility extended to captaining and keeping wicket, and bowling right- and left-handed in Test cricket. But in addition to being the jack of all trades, he was the master of one.

Hanif became the youngest player to make a century in each innings of a first-class match while scoring 121 and 109 against North Zone in Amritsar. No other Pakistan player managed to score a century in either innings of the game, a trend that would follow Hanif throughout his career.

Hanif was still only 17 at the time of his Test debut. However he had quickly established himself as one of Pakistan's premier and most dependable batsmen.

He would soon show the world why he was rated so highly by his peers. Pakistan toured the West Indies in 1957-58, with Hanif scoring628 runs in the five Tests at an average of 69.77. Hanif was to become the first Asian player to score a triple century in a Test when he scored 337 in the first Test in Bridgetown which was played over six days.

Chasing West Indies' imposing first-innings score of 579, Pakistan had capitulated for just 106. Forced to follow on, Pakistan started batting again before tea on day three. By tea time on day four, Hanif had moved to 139. Tea on day five saw Hanif undefeated on 216. And tea on day six saw Hanif still at the wicket, with 334 to his name and Pakistan safe from a defeat that looked inevitable three days earlier.

This mammoth effort remains the longest Test match innings in terms of time and showed his amazing capacity to concentrate for long periods. No record of how many balls Hanif faced is available. However it is the longest innings in terms of overs faced (309) and his final score of 337 still remains a Test record for any player from India or Pakistan.

Hanif maintained this rich vein of extreme high scores when the team returned home. He established a first-class record highest score of 499 for Karachi against Bahawalpur in 1959. Ironically, he was run out in the final over of the game, searching for his 500th run.

It was fascinating to read that Hanif has the highest proportion of Test centuries in which no team-mate also scored a century. This reinforces the fact that he carried the responsibility for Pakistan's batting success. Hanif was the only truly world-class batsman in the Pakistan side for well over a decade.

Also, unlike some of his fellow players from India and Pakistan, it is hard to argue that Hanif was a "home-ground bully". He scored Test centuries against all his Test playing opponents in "away" conditions, countering any claims that he lacked the ability to adapt. In fact, it is possible to argue that his best three batting efforts occurred in the West Indies, England, and Australia. His away average of 42.62compares well with his overall average of 43.98.


Kepler wessels

Kepler Wessels was a cricket itinerant and boxing aficionado who, before opening for Australia for four years, played in his native South Africa, in England and in World Series Cricket. He subsequently played for an Australian rebel team in South Africa, and then became SA's first Test captain of the modern era. A fit, lean, brave and slightly ungainly left-hand bat, he made 162 on debut for Australia and averaged 56 in a series against West Indies, no mean feat then.
 
Rohan Kanhai

It would be difficult to imagine a more entertaining batsman than Rohan Babulal Kanhai, leading scorer for either country in last season's England v. West Indies Test series. Quick of eye and foot, he times the ball almost perfectly when executing a wide variety of strokes, some of which border upon the audacious, and at his best he can master the most formidable of bowlers.
The Indian opening batsman Sunil Gavaskar named his son Rohan after Kanhai, and wrote of Kanhai, "To say that he is the greatest batsman I have ever seen so far is to put it mildly." Robert Holland, the Australian spin bowler also named his son Rohan, in honour of Kanhai. There is a Wetherspoons pub in Ashington, Northumberland named after him due to his stint there.

I loved to hear tales about Rohan's batting. And one I heard in Guyana is the best. It seems he got a double-century for Guyana against Barbados in a four-day Shell Shield tie. Barbados had an attack comprising Wes Hall, Charlie Griffith, Sobers, offspinner Tony White, and left-arm spinner Rawle Brancker. It was a formidable line-up on what was a lively pitch. An old cricket fan said, "The way Rohan hooked Hall and Griffith, maan, was spectacular. They were after him but our Rohan was just too good."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/154560.html

Kanhai mastered the seaming English pitches, the bouncy Australian and West Indian tracks and the turning sub-continent wickets. When compared to Gary Sobers many critiques pointed out that Sobers came at no 6 while Kanhai came in at no 3, when the bowling was at it's greatest ferocity.

Kanhai scored 6,227 runs at 47.53 in 137 innings covering 79 tests scoring 15 test centuries. In first -class cricket he scored 28,639 runs at 49.29 scoring 83 hundreds. From 1958 to 1973 he played in 14 series and scored a century in 11 of them.

Attorney Albert Baldeo on Rohan Kanhai
"Rohan Kanhai, my boyhood hero, was undoubtedly the most extraordinary batsman the West Indies has ever produced, one who could eviserate any attack in the world when he chose to. Whereas other batsmen could wear down an attack, Kanhai would dissect it with clinical precision. There was beauty in his craft, so much different in the method of annihilation. Poetry, rather than prose, ballet, rather than dance. Artistry, rather than sheer power, although this never compromised the force with which he hit the ball. He glided in riveting strokeplay, batting with the artistry of a virtuoso. His arrival to the wicket heralded both hush and expectancy. Bars closed as all looked to the drama that was about to unfold before a Kanhai innings.

Writers Michael Manley and Donna Symonds wrote in their “A History of West Indian Cricket”:: “No more technically correct batsman ever came out of the West Indies than Rohan Kanhai .”

C.L.R.James
According to James, “I take Kanhai as the high peak of West Indian cricketing development.

Rajan Bala on Kanhai
For the sheer pleasure that he gave the world as a batsman, Rohan Bholalall Kanhai is my favourite cricketer. Averaging fractionally under 48 in a distinguished Test career that saw him rise to become the captain of West Indies, Rohan had Bradmanesque qualities. This implies that he was ruthless, uncaring of the reputations of bowlers, and daring in his strokeplay. But at the same time he was a crafty batsman who understood the finer points of technique better than most. The great Sunil Gavaskar shares my view that he is the best he has watched and learned from. How many people know more about batting than Sunil?

Ousman Ali said: “His dominance over pace and spin was phenomenal; he possessed the best defence among his contemporaries but was commensurately devastating with shots all around the wicket including his trade-mark and inimitable falling hook shot.”

Writers Michael Manley and Donna Symonds wrote: “ No more technically correct batsman ever came out of the West Indies than Rohan Kanhai….

Comparison of Kanhai with Gary Sobers

Cricket Writer Moyes:
Certainly a finer batsman and a greater menace than his left handed colleague.When he arrived he had nothing like the reputation of Sobers,but by the time he left these shores he had firmly established himself in the hears of all those who loved scintillating batsmanship.

Sunil Gavaskar:
“Rohan Kanhai is quite simply the greatest batsman I have ever seen. What does one write about one's hero, one's idol, one for whom there is so much admiration? To say that he is the greatest batsman I have ever seen so far is to put it mildly. A controversial statement perhaps, considering that there have been so many outstanding batsmen, and some great batsmen that I have played with and against. But, having seen them all, there is no doubt in my mind that Rohan Kanhai was quite simply the best of them all. Sir Gary Sobers came quite close to being the best batsman, but he was the greatest cricketer ever, and could do just about anything. But as a batsman, I thought Rohan Kanhai was just a little bit better."

"Blasting for Runs." In fact, Gavaskar, Kallicharran and Bob Marleynamed their sons after Rohan Kanhai, a testimony to Kanhai's genius. Gavaskar also hoped that his son Rohan would be at least half as good as the original Rohan Babulal Kanhai, which he said would make him very proud indeed!


In his first class career, he played 505 matches scoring 32,650 runs at an average of 43.64 with 87 centuries and 160 50s,

Martin crowe

As the 20th century drew to an end, Martin Crowe became the standard by which New Zealand batsmanship would be measured. A batsman of elegance, poise and range, Crowe broke through into Test cricket as a 19-year-old, and in a short span of time was heralded as the best young batsman in the world. By the end of his Test career, he was New Zealand's highest run-getter and century-maker, scorer or 10,000 international runs, its captain in the 1992 World Cup who engineered an exhilarating home run all the way to the semi-finals, and a totemic figure in his team's feisty Test performances through the Eighties. The son of a cricketing family, whose father had played first-class cricket, Crowe came from suburban Auckland, destined for greatness. He arrived a complete batsman still in his teens, a technique burnished in both attack and defence, a fierce competitor alongside a devoted student of cricket with an innate game sense. In his prime, Crowe left the viewer with the impression of having a nanosecond more time to play his strokes, with balance in their execution and equanimity in his stance. He was a batsman of clean lines off the front foot, tall, elegant and classically sound, his signature strokes being down the ground, but capable of shots all around the wicket.

Record partnership

In February 1991, Crowe, along with Andrew Jones, added 467 for the third wicket against Sri Lanka at Basin Reserve, Wellington. It was the all-time partnership record for any wicket back then, only to be broken by Kumar Sangakkara and Mahela Jayawardene in 2006, when the two added 624 runs for the third wicket against South Africa at Colombo. Crowe and Jones are now placed second on the list behind them.
 
Alvin Kallicharran

A left-handed batsman and right-arm off spinner, Kallicharran was known for his elegant, watchful batting style.[citation needed] He was a WisdenCricketer of the Year for 1973. He was part of the 1975 and 1979 teams that won the Cricket World Cup. His highest score is 187 against India in the 1978–79 tour. He also found success with Warwickshire in English County cricket. While playing against minor countyOxfordshire in the 1984 one dayNatwest Trophy he scored 206 and took 6 for 32.[1]
“Kallicharran, who stands a mere 5 ft. 4 ins., hit a 6 and thirteen 4s in his 78, an innings which had an amazing climax. He was Man of the Match. He scored 35 off his last ten balls from Lillee in the following sequence of superbly timed hooks, pulls and drives – 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 1, 4, 6, 0, 4 – before he was caught off a mistimed pull to give Lillee some balm for wounded pride.”

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/154469.html


Michael Clarke
    • Clarke's debut Test score of 151 was made against India in Bangalore, 2004–05; he then made 141 against New Zealand in November 2004 on his debut on home-soil at the Gabba (Brisbane, Australia), making him the only Australian to score a century on both home and away debuts.
    • His best Test bowling figures of 6 for 9 (6.2) came against India, Mumbai, 2004–05.
    • His first Ashes century came in December 2006, when he hit 124 at the Adelaide Oval to help Australia to victory.
    • Clarke's highest Test batting score of 329* was made on 5 January 2012 against India. This is the highest Test match batting score at the Sydney Cricket Ground,and the fourth best Test match batting score of all time by an Australian.
    • Clarke followed up his 329* in Sydney with 210 in Adelaide, thereby joining Don Bradman and Wally Hammond as the only players to have made a triple century and a double century in the same series.
    • Clarke's score of 259* made at the Gabba on 9 November 2012 against South Africa is the highest Test score at the ground.
    • Clarke is the only Test batsman to reach four double centuries in a single calendar year, with a double century (230) at the Adelaide Oval on 22 November 2012


Jeff Dujon-WK

It was one of the most spectacular sights of cricket in the 1980s. A great West Indian fast bowler - any of several suspects - roared on by a partisan Caribbean crowd, a short ball rearing, the batsman fending and edging, and behind the stumps, a lithe athlete leaping and plunging to take another one-handed blinder. Jeff Dujon was the gymnastic hub of those all-conquering Windies sides, a man who never participated in a losing series and whose tally of victims has been exceeded only by Ian Healy and Rod Marsh. If his keeping was never adequately tested against spin bowling (just five of his 270 victims were stumped) then there was scant opportunity. No-one can have been more riveting to watch standing back. He could bat too, elegantly, sufficiently well to make five Test centuries. The largest of them, 139, came in the opening match against Australia at Perth in 1984-85, and helped rescue his side from 186 for 6.
It was not until 1981 that he was instated as Jamaica's wicket-keeper in the Shell Shield and he responded with his first century since 1976, an unbeaten 105 for a President's Young West Indies XI against the touring England team. This was followed a fortnight later by 135 not out (out of 263) for Jamaica against a Barbados attack headed by Malcolm Marshall (six for 75).

He is beautifully balanced and co-ordinated and as adept against pace as against spin. Two of his Test centuries have been gathered on the slow, turning pitch at Port-of-Spain's Queen's Park Oval, the second against Pakistan and Abdul Qadir. Another was made on the contrasting fast and bouncy surface at Perth, during which he had to retire after a blow on the head from Terry Alderman.


Till the end of 1984, Dujon had played 29 Tests and accumulated 1608 runs at an average touching 46 with four hundreds. It seemed that he was indeed on the verge of becoming the best batsman of West Indies.


Dujon retired after a 10-year career of 81 Tests for West Indies, as an integral part of the best team in the world, never ending up at the wrong end of a lost series. He missed just one Test in his entire career, due to an injured thumb. And even now, his wicket-keeping tally stands fifth in the all-time list, with 270 dismissals — he took two additional catches as a fielder in his first two Test matches. Only Mark Boucher, Adam Gilchrist, Ian Healy and Rod Marsh have scalped more

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/154438.html
http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...ic-behind-the-stumps-aesthetic-in-front-27110
 
Michael Holding



It began intimidatingly far away. He turned, and began the most elegant long-striding run of them all, feet kissing the turf silently, his head turning gently and ever so slightly from side to side, rhythmically, like that of a cobra hypnotising its prey. Good batsmen tended not to watch him all the way lest they became mesmerised. To the umpires he was malevolent stealth personified so they christened him Whispering Death. No-one in the game has bowled faster. His over to Geoff Boycott in the cauldron of Kensington Oval early in 1981 has gone down in history as the finest, fastest, most ferocious gambit of all time. Five years earlier, towards the end of the drought-ridden summer of 1976, The Oval had become a wasteland, parched beyond recognition, with slow flat heart-breaking pitches, and it was on this, in the final Test of the season, through the simple device of bowling ramrod-straight at high pace and to a full length, that he conjured 14 wickets for 149, the finest match figures ever by a West Indian.
I felt all the more urgently that I was sitting in the wrong place. But I did not get a chance to shift my spot. The final ball of the over was so quick that Boycott's off stump disappeared out of my camera's view in less than a blink, certainly before Geoffrey was able to attempt a stroke. The stump was later recovered 20 yards away, while one of the bails was eventually found not far from the boundary. The crowd on the rooftop started to dance, which did wonders for my photographs.

I have seen other superfast bowlers, notably Jeff Thomson, who, when bowling against England in 1974-75, was able to get the ball to lift alarmingly off a length. Shoaib Akhtar was just very quick. The delivery that blasted out Boycott was, without doubt, the fastest ball I ever photographed, and if watching stumps fly is your scene, it must surely rank as the greatest delivery


Joel Garner


Batsmen would say that the overriding feeling when first confronted by the Big Bird was that he would trample on them such was the foreshortening effect of his 6ft 8 inches. Delivered from the clouds it seemed, and at a lively pace that when the mood took could be cranked up to the brisk side of rapid, the ball would rear alarmingly from barely short of a length. Allied to that was the most devastating toe crunching yorker the game had seen since that of Charlie Griffith. Of the top wicket-takers, few have a lower average than his parsimonious 20.98. If his value in Test cricket was as an integral part of the most formidable pace attacks ever - they spread the load so that he took five wickets in an innings on just seven occasions - then in one-day cricket, particularly in the overs at the end of an innings, when the unhittable yorker speared in relentlessly, he was priceless. At Lord's in 1979 he simply blew England's slim hopes away with 5 for 38, the best figures ever in a World Cup final.



Frank Tyson

In terms of raw, unbridled pace, few bowlers in history can match England's Frank Tyson. Richie Benaud rated him the quickest he's ever seen. In 17 Tests, Tyson took 76 wickets at an average of 18. This was no brainless quickie, however - Tyson was a Durham University graduate, and had a penchant for quoting Shakespeare or Wordsworth to batsmen. Most famously, Tyson blew away Australia as England retained the Ashes in 1954-55. After starting off with 1 for 160 in defeat at Brisbane, he shortened his run and took 10 wickets at Sydney and nine more at Melbourne, when he took 7 for 27 in the second innings and frightened the life out of the Aussies. There can have been few faster spells in history than Tyson's in that innings. He skittled the opposition, and bowling downwind off a shorter run, was literally as fast as a typhoon.




Don Bradman called him “the fastest bowler I have ever seen” while Tom Graveney recounts how he stood 40 yards back at slip.

Tyson was not a success in the first Test at Brisbane: one wicket for 160. Then Lindwall hit him on the back of the head with a bouncer in the second Test at Sydney. In those helmetless days, fast bowlers did not bowl short at each other. “My God, Lindy, you’ve killed him,” Tyson remembered his partner saying before he was carted to hospital. And there in that hospital a great fast bowler was born, to be christened “Typhoon” Tyson.

After his quick recovery Tyson was so angry with Lindwall that in the last innings of the Test, when Australia needed 223 to go 2-0 up, Tyson let them have the full treatment – downwind, while Brian Statham laboured into it. Tyson took six for 85 as England squeezed home. “The Australian batsmen – Neil Harvey excepted – have become flinching shadows against the fiery, blinding pace of young Tyson,” proclaimed the Daily Mirror

It was much the same in the third Test in Melbourne. Australia were set 240 to win, little more than a formality. But for Tyson it was, as he wrote in his diary, “the luckiest and happiest day of my life”.

The luck came when England’s wicketkeeper, Godfrey Evans, took one of the all-time great catches launching himself to his right to catch the left-handed Harvey down the leg side when he glanced Tyson. The rest of the Australians crumbled as Tyson took seven wickets for 27. “But I could never have done it without Brian [Statham],” Tyson recorded. “What a partner! Wise and reliable – just the man to have alongside you in the trenches.” Hutton meanwhile, England’s first professional captain, was “delirious with happiness” – and for once invited the Australians into the England dressing room for a drink.

Tyson enabled England to win the series 3-1 by taking 28 wickets at 20 runs. He was effective back in England in 1955 but soon burned out: his action was all effort, not rhythm or technique. It was in a vain attempt to recreate the past that he was selected for England’s next tour of Australia in 1958-9.




Subhash Gupte

"Warne's a great bowler but the best leg-spinner I've ever seen is still (Subhash) Gupte. He could do things that I still don't believe all these years later," said Sobers a couple of years back, putting the Indian ahead of the Australian and paying an ultimate tribute to a bowler who passed away a few years back

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2008/apr/09gupte.htm
In his time, the best of his type in the game, Subash Gupte was a world-class leg break-googly bowler. Of slight build, he was a big spinner of the ball, but his line and length remained immaculate. He gave the ball plenty of air and his googly was most deceptive. After a slow start, his Test career really took off in the West Indies in 1952-53, when he took 50 wickets at an average of 23.64. More impressive was the fact that he took 27 wickets in the Tests on perfect batting wickets, and while bowling to the three W's, Rae, Stollmeyer and Pairaudeau. He was again the most successful bowler in Pakistan in 1954-55 with 21 wickets and the following season against New Zealand he was quite unplayable in finishing with 34 wickets (19.67), the Indian record until Chandrasekhar surpassed it 27 years later.



A legend of Indian cricket named Subhashchandra Gupte, so dominated the arena of spin bowlers during the 1950’s, these years were later to be remembered by Indian cricket historians and fans alike, as the “age of Gupte.
 
@Rado_N help needed with poll:

Title: Who will win test match?

Option 1: Ijazz17
Option 2: Mani

Similar poll options to the other draft polls.

Thanks in advance.
 
Damn, talk about long write-ups! :rolleyes:. The test match might only be 5 days, but reading both those will probably take longer. :p
 
Big game!! Good luck @Ijazz17

My initial quick thoughts.

It will be a close game between 2 very good sides. The game would be decided on the smallest of things. I believe we have won a very crucial toss with the game being in the subcontinent. It'll allow us to use the best batting conditions early on and then exploit the pitch in the 4th innings. Also, with all due respect to Shakib, I believe Ijazz is a bowler short in the game. He just won't cut it vs these world class players especially as it's him batting 4th and not us. Would have been much better served sticking with thommo so that's an advantage to us. He has gone for an extra half batter which I don't think is required on this pitch at all unless teams set up for a draw.
 
Game Plan

With Mani/Varun’s team opting to bat first, Glen McGrath and Trueman will be right at it from the off. If there is any hint of swing, Trueman’s bowling will be a real problem to deal with for any batsman in the world. McGrath with his knack for picking up early wickets on any condition should see me pick up a few wickets early on at regular intervals. They are an excellent bowling pair for any team with the amount of variation and consistency they offer and their ability to pick up wickets regularly. Most of Marun’s team have also not faced spinners like Kumble or Shaikb and that could be the difference here. But I cannot deny that Marun’s team has some really good players and I certainly don’t expect them to fall so easily. They will get their runs without doubt, however, I don’t think they have the strength in depth with their batting as should be the case on pitches like these. The way I see it, their batting is solid till No 6, with Dujon seen more as a handy man to have around. Even Dujon will get you the runs, but it may still maybe 50-100 short of what they were hoping to get. Regardless, I definitely see them getting close to 300-350 in the first innings.

In the second Innings, I expect a solid opening partnership between Morris and Mitchell. Morris will not fear Marun’s bowling line-up and will more than easily deal with them. Mitchell will be defensively solid as ever. Even if he won’t get you enough runs on the board, he will frustrate the bowlers. When it’s time for the likes of Hammond and Worrel to come to the crease (If Mitchell ever gets out that is), expect some of the most beautiful batting you will ever see in the Sheep Drafts. They have more than what it takes to build a partnership of 250+ on their own. How deadly the duo of them can, really cannot be stressed enough. Following them will be the likes of Steven Smith, Misbah, Shakib and Dhoni, and my team has what it takes to build a really mammoth score for the second Innings.

By the time the third innings comes knocking, I hope the pitch will start to crack, and there will be more on offer for the spinners. Kumble and Shakib should relish the pitch at that stage and should really dominate proceedings. Marun’s team will still stand strong no doubt, but they may not get a score as good as the first innings.

When the fourth Innings, comes along, out batsman will probably do more of the same. Considering I have some excellent finishers of the game in Smith, Dhoni and Misbah, I should expect us to win this by Day 5, final session.

Key Battles
  • Batting: Both teams are really strong in the batting line-up, but I believe I have the greater number of Game changers in my side. Also not to mention, more strength in depth. Marun have 6 excellent + 1 Handy batsmen, whereas I have 8 excellent + 1 will survive the second Innings somehow batsmen (i.e Kumble). That extra one or two batsmen can make all the difference in tense encounters like this.
  • Bowling: Marun have a kickass bowling line-up. But I see them all being of a similar mould. Depending on the conditions, that may be a good thing or a bad thing. I on the other hand, have plenty of variation with my bowling line-up. Trueman on his own is Mr Variation himself. McGrath is Mr Consistent. Add to that Spin Master Kumble and Shakib’s ability to turn the ball and also possesing a very deceptive arm ball, I have most of my bases covered. For those that doubt if my team can take 20 wickets in the match, I would like to remind you that my top four have taken 1,636 wickets in test matches alone. Even Wally (over 700 FC wickets) and Worrel can bowl a bit to give my leading bowlers the odd break.
  • Keeping: Dujon might be technically the better keeper (Though, I doubt it, one of those things which can’t be really compared), Dhoni is by far the better batsman. His ability to stay calm even under pressure will do him no harm. Also, Dujon is a better keeper when he is 20 yards behinds the stumps. But when the likes of Gupte bowl up close, I expect him to struggle. It’s easy to keep to a fast bowler, but it’s a whole different ball game when keeping to deadly spinners. Dhoni might even need a helmet on when Kumble bowls. Add to this, Dhoni has lightning fast reflexes, so if he smells even a whiff of an opportunity, he will knock those stumps down in a flash. I certainly can see him take a stumping in the match.
  • Fielding: Wally was one of the greatest fielders of his time. Steven Smith is an excellent Modern day fielder. Morris and Mitchell were very good at slip. Shakib is also a very good fielder. Whilst, this is not an ODI, a better fielding will definitely result in more runs saved and fewer dropped catches. Small details like this may make all the difference in the match.
Verdict

Honestly, I see a draw written all over this match in a one-off. But if it were a 5 match series, I can see us nicking it 1-0 or 2-0. Draw, we might, but I certainly don’t see us losing this.


Good Luck @Mani and @Varun. May the best team win. :)

Quite a few unfair remarks there imo Ijazz.

Why would your opening bowlers pick regular wickets whereas you are expecting such great stands between your openers and also from your upper middle order? Hanif was as good as they come at playing long innings which you aren't giving him credit for while bigging up Mitchell for the same. In holding, Garner and Tyson, we have a great set of bowlers when it comes to taking wickets and their sheer pace and bounce is what you need in wickets like karachi.

Dujon imho is a better test batter than Dhoni. Especially given the pace attacks at both team's disposal, I would take dujon every time over Dhoni in a test match.

Then you talk of your openers "more than easily" dealing with my pacers. Cmon now. You'll make Garner and holding angry.
 
Well, well, the write ups are quite long and contain many excellent links so I am going to pore over this a while. I just have to say that whenever I read about older players, I am continually amazed at the character and ability they showed at dealing with situations today's cocooned cricketers never have to face. Some great stories there.
 
Quite a few unfair remarks there imo Ijazz.

Why would your opening bowlers pick regular wickets whereas you are expecting such great stands between your openers and also from your upper middle order? Hanif was as good as they come at playing long innings which you aren't giving him credit for while bigging up Mitchell for the same. In holding, Garner and Tyson, we have a great set of bowlers when it comes to taking wickets and their sheer pace and bounce is what you need in wickets like karachi.

Dujon imho is a better test batter than Dhoni. Especially given the pace attacks at both team's disposal, I would take dujon every time over Dhoni in a test match.

Then you talk of your openers "more than easily" dealing with my pacers. Cmon now. You'll make Garner and holding angry.
:lol:. Wouldn't want that would we?!. I know Hanif is an excellent batsman and can play all day all night, but the way I see it, Wessels might be the weakest of the 4 opening batsman. And McGrath is specially adept at getting an early breakthrough and I expect that wicket to be Wessels. And by regular wickets, I mean like in any other test match, wickets will fall at regular intervals. I did say you will get a formidable first innings score. Of that, I have no doubt.

And Dujon might struggle against spin and Trueman's variation. McGrath is not known for his pace at all. He's just a very very good bowler who gets it spot on 10 times out of 10. Also,there weren't too many left arm spinners in his time and there certainly wasn't a Kumble. In those scheme of things, I'd still take Dhoni and especially as you said in your follow up, that I am batting fourth, Dhoni's calm composed manner will more than come in handy. Between Him, Misbah and Smith, they can handle the pressure and do what is required of them.
 
:lol:. Wouldn't want that would we?!. I know Hanif is an excellent batsman and can play all day all night, but the way I see it, Wessels might be the weakest of the 4 opening batsman. And McGrath is specially adept at getting an early breakthrough and I expect that wicket to be Wessels. And by regular wickets, I mean like in any other test match, wickets will fall at regular intervals. I did say you will get a formidable first innings score. Of that, I have no doubt.

And Dujon might struggle against spin and Trueman's variation. McGrath is not known for his pace at all. He's just a very very good bowler who gets it spot on 10 times out of 10. Also,there weren't too many left arm spinners in his time and there certainly wasn't a Kumble. In those scheme of things, I'd still take Dhoni and especially as you said in your follow up, that I am batting fourth, Dhoni's calm composed manner will more than come in handy. Between Him, Misbah and Smith, they can handle the pressure and do what is required of them.


Which means you have not read our write up on Dujon.:)

He is beautifully balanced and co-ordinated and as adept against pace as against spin. Two of his Test centuries have been gathered on the slow, turning pitch at Port-of-Spain's Queen's Park Oval, the second against Pakistan and Abdul Qadir. Another was made on the contrasting fast and bouncy surface at Perth, during which he had to retire after a blow on the head from Terry Alderman.


Till the end of 1984, Dujon had played 29 Tests and accumulated 1608 runs at an average touching 46 with four hundreds. It seemed that he was indeed on the verge of becoming the best batsman of West Indies.
 
Hmm, Tyson has got Morris out 3 times in 4 matches. That's a pretty good record. Think Morris would adapt to the subcontinent fine, but I don't rate his average as highly due to him batting only in that immediate post-war era. Many bowlers declined to bowl bouncers (or bumpers as they were called) in those years. Mitchell, on the other hand, I see lasting quite a while.
 
:lol:. Wouldn't want that would we?!. I know Hanif is an excellent batsman and can play all day all night, but the way I see it, Wessels might be the weakest of the 4 opening batsman. And McGrath is specially adept at getting an early breakthrough and I expect that wicket to be Wessels. And by regular wickets, I mean like in any other test match, wickets will fall at regular intervals. I did say you will get a formidable first innings score. Of that, I have no doubt.

And Dujon might struggle against spin and Trueman's variation. McGrath is not known for his pace at all. He's just a very very good bowler who gets it spot on 10 times out of 10. Also,there weren't too many left arm spinners in his time and there certainly wasn't a Kumble. In those scheme of things, I'd still take Dhoni and especially as you said in your follow up, that I am batting fourth, Dhoni's calm composed manner will more than come in handy. Between Him, Misbah and Smith, they can handle the pressure and do what is required of them.
:lol:. Wouldn't want that would we?!. I know Hanif is an excellent batsman and can play all day all night, but the way I see it, Wessels might be the weakest of the 4 opening batsman. And McGrath is specially adept at getting an early breakthrough and I expect that wicket to be Wessels. And by regular wickets, I mean like in any other test match, wickets will fall at regular intervals. I did say you will get a formidable first innings score. Of that, I have no doubt.

And Dujon might struggle against spin and Trueman's variation. McGrath is not known for his pace at all. He's just a very very good bowler who gets it spot on 10 times out of 10. Also,there weren't too many left arm spinners in his time and there certainly wasn't a Kumble. In those scheme of things, I'd still take Dhoni and especially as you said in your follow up, that I am batting fourth, Dhoni's calm composed manner will more than come in handy. Between Him, Misbah and Smith, they can handle the pressure and do what is required of them.
No, you wouldn't want that :lol:. There's this incident in a WI vs Eng series where the Eng captain said something offensive about the WI team. Holding was playing the game and he proceeded to unleash hell on their batters. There's an iconic pic of the England opener showing the number of ball marks on his skin after the match by taking his shirt off. Incredible it was :lol:

I don't think there are going to be regular wickets at all vs a top order of Hanif, wessels, kanhai, Crowe and kalli. That's as good as it gets really. 4 of the 5 there are absolute legends of the game.

Dujon has no reason to struggle against spin. He has performed in various conditions. Dhoni on the other hand is known to struggle in tests vs quality pacers and he is going to face quality better than he ever has in his career. Dujon is much better equipped. I feel you are judging him by his ODI performances going by some of the things you are saying. Dhoni in tests is not the dhoni of ODIs.
 
Which means you have not read our write up on Dujon.:)
I did. But this isn't the port of spain. It's the subcontinent. The pitches should give him more problems here.

And you shouldn't really judge what a player did in less than 30% of his actual career. Some of the players in my team too had excellent records at the peak of their career and it sort of tailed off before they called it quits. All the highs and lows are what make up the record for the career of a player. Picking a set of stats that will inevitably favour you is just cherry picking tbf.
 
Hmm, Tyson has got Morris out 3 times in 4 matches. That's a pretty good record. Think Morris would adapt to the subcontinent fine, but I don't rate his average as highly due to him batting only in that immediate post-war era. Many bowlers declined to bowl bouncers (or bumpers as they were called) in those years. Mitchell, on the other hand, I see lasting quite a while.
We also have Gupte who was a pain in the ass for the WI team. Got Hammond twice in consecutive tests in the series in WI if I'm not mistaken.
 
I did. But this isn't the port of spain. It's the subcontinent. The pitches should give him more problems here.

And you shouldn't really judge what a player did in less than 30% of his actual career. Some of the players in my team too had excellent records at the peak of their career and it sort of tailed off before they called it quits. All the highs and lows are what make up the record for the career of a player. Picking a set of stats that will inevitably favour you is just cherry picking tbf.
Agreed.
 
We also have Gupte who was a pain in the ass for the WI team. Got Hammond twice in consecutive tests in the series in WI if I'm not mistaken.
I genuinely doubt how an English team would play an Indian side in West Indies honestly. Do you have some link for this ?
 
I genuinely doubt how an English team would play an Indian side in West Indies honestly. Do you have some link for this ?
I saw it with my own eyes man. It's Worrell ofcourse. Hehe
 
I wouldn't read too much into anyways. Getting Worrel out twice in 9-10 innings is normal and nothing special when you have a 5 ball attack. And in case anyone bothered to check the complete stats, Worrel got a 237 in the final test of that five match series. So, I wouldn't be too worried to be honest.
 
Dhoni on the other hand is known to struggle in tests vs quality pacers and he is going to face quality better than he ever has in his career. Dujon is much better equipped. I feel you are judging him by his ODI performances going by some of the things you are saying. Dhoni in tests is not the dhoni of ODIs.
Dhoni has an ace record in the subcontinent. 70.95 in Bangladesh, 59.55 in India, 89.05 in Pakistan, 58.08 in Sri Lanka. In comparison, Dujon has an average of 42.18 in India and 5.70 in Pakistan. He genuinely struggled against Imran Khan and Qadir. I know Dhoni's record isn't as great in Tests as compared to ODI's but it's not as poor as you make it out to be either. There is only one clear winner here for me.
 
No, you wouldn't want that :lol:. There's this incident in a WI vs Eng series where the Eng captain said something offensive about the WI team. Holding was playing the game and he proceeded to unleash hell on their batters. There's an iconic pic of the England opener showing the number of ball marks on his skin after the match by taking his shirt off. Incredible it was :lol:
Are you speaking of the Tony Greig incident? That was about a very delicate subject of racism and the English were clearly carrying a racist propaganda to undermine the WI team, at least according to the Windies players and clearly Clive wasn't going to take that kindly. Otherwise I don't remember reading or watching anything that suggests Holding to be a temperamental hothead like Lillee or Roberts - bowlers who behaved like cnuts on the pitch with the intention to injure the batsman.
 
Are you speaking of the Tony Greig incident? That was about a very delicate subject of racism and the English were clearly carrying a racist propaganda to undermine the WI team, at least according to the Windies players and clearly Clive wasn't going to take that kindly. Otherwise I don't remember reading or watching anything that suggests Holding to be a temperamental hothead like Lillee or Roberts - bowlers who behaved like cnuts on the pitch with the intention to injure the batsman.
I would like to add Thommo to that list too. Just a shame he's isn't playing.
 
Mitchell would make a good foil for the stroke-play of Hammond and Worrell. Would probably outlast both of them, too, albeit having scored fewer runs than either. Smith I can see struggling a little, his subcontinental record isn't very good, but Misbah and Dhoni would more than make up for that. Good mix of blockers and stroke-makers, although I think bar Morris and Hasan they are all right-handers. Varun's bowling attack is still very good though, so I can see him restricting Ijazz to under 350 both times.
 
Are you speaking of the Tony Greig incident? That was about a very delicate subject of racism and the English were clearly carrying a racist propaganda to undermine the WI team, at least according to the Windies players and clearly Clive wasn't going to take that kindly. Otherwise I don't remember reading or watching anything that suggests Holding to be a temperamental hothead like Lillee or Roberts - bowlers who behaved like cnuts on the pitch with the intention to injure the batsman.
Not sure man but I think it is what you are talking about because I seem to recall the racist angle. Not sure though. I agree completely though, holding wasn't about hitting batsmen at all.
 
Mitchell would make a good foil for the stroke-play of Hammond and Worrell. Would probably outlast both of them, too, albeit having scored fewer runs than either. Smith I can see struggling a little, his subcontinental record isn't very good, but Misbah and Dhoni would more than make up for that. Good mix of blockers and stroke-makers, although I think bar Morris and Hasan they are all right-handers. Varun's bowling attack is still very good though, so I can see him restricting Ijazz to under 350 both times.
Smith has only played the 2 test matches in India, still has an average of 40, which isn't still bad. And it's a very small sample size. And he lost his wicket three times out of four to spinners. Are you suggesting Gupte will take his wicket on each ocassion ? or on All the ocassions in a five match series ? In a one-off perhaps (But he will still get you runs on the board), but definitely don't see that in a five match series.
 
Wow, this has become a case of attack vs defense. Me defending against everyone's attacks. :nervous: .
 
Dhoni has an ace record in the subcontinent. 70.95 in Bangladesh, 59.55 in India, 89.05 in Pakistan, 58.08 in Sri Lanka. In comparison, Dujon has an average of 42.18 in India and 5.70 in Pakistan. He genuinely struggled against Imran Khan and Qadir. I know Dhoni's record isn't as great in Tests as compared to ODI's but it's not as poor as you make it out to be either. There is only one clear winner here for me.
He isn't going to be up against the bowling lineups of Bangladesh, SL, Bangladesh or the recent Pak team here. He hates pace and bounce and that's exactly what he'll get here. He'll obviously be better off than on a seaming track but my point isn't that he'd be shit or anything or that sort, just saying I'd rather have dujon in tests.
 
Smith has only played the 2 test matches in India, still has an average of 40, which isn't still bad. And it's a very small sample size. And he lost his wicket three times out of four to spinners. Are you suggesting Gupte will take his wicket on each ocassion ? or on All the ocassions in a five match series ? In a one-off perhaps (But he will still get you runs on the board), but definitely don't see that in a five match series.
Yeah, not saying he would do badly, just not his usual scintillating self. I think your batting is solid in any case.

Wow, this has become a case of attack vs defense. Me defending against everyone's attacks. :nervous: .
Haha, I feel a bit the same way in the other thread. But I just haven't gone through your bowling vs Mani's batting yet. And I already quizzed Mani on his attack last match plenty, and it hasn't changed.
 
Wow, this has become a case of attack vs defense. Me defending against everyone's attacks. :nervous: .
Just pointed out what I felt was unfair in your write up mate. You have a superb team. No doubt there.