How much will we spend? (summer 2016 Ed.)

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Record revensues projected today. Could be no.1 in the world for the first time in over 10 years - though it will likely be short lived if as expected we miss out on CL next season.

We also have an appallingly low wage/turnover ratio - 41% - which reflects the lack of quality and quantity in the squad.

It is our policy to keep it around to 50%. Barca are at around 73% but they are a charity with the sole goal of being good at football, not a business. Lucky bastards.

We clearly need massive investment throughout the first 11.

2016 prices will likely see a 10-20% increase on last year's, with the new TV deal.

So how much do you see us spending? Both net and total?

For me - around £200m with £50m in sales.

I think we will struggle to attract the sort of players we want and need. Hopefully it will be enough to get us a top 4 squad above Spurs and Leicester but I don't think it would bring us anymore than that.

There is going to be insane competition for talent this summer.
 
How did you arrive at 10-20% increase? And given that we have no real idea about the Glazer's strategy it's impossible to tell how much United will be spending.
 
All doom and gloom huh? Money talks and we have all the money. As long as the dutch fud isn't our manager anymore, we'll be able to compete for most players. I think we'll spend a minimum of 150m gross, probably closer to 200m.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Record revensues projected today. Could be no.1 in the world for the first time in over 10 years - though it will likely be short lived if as expected we miss out on CL next season.

We also have an appallingly low wage/turnover ratio - 41% - which reflects the lack of quality and quantity in the squad.

It is our policy to keep it around to 50%. Barca are at around 73% but they are a charity with the sole goal of being good at football, not a business. Lucky bastards.

We clearly need massive investment throughout the first 11.

2016 prices will likely see a 10-20% increase on last year's, with the new TV deal.

So how much do you see us spending? Both net and total?

For me - around £200m with £50m in sales.

I think we will struggle to attract the sort of players we want and need. Hopefully it will be enough to get us a top 4 squad above Spurs and Leicester but I don't think it would bring us anymore than that.

There is going to be insane competition for talent this summer.
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Where does that nugget come from? And why is it cool to spend 73% of your turnover on wages?
 
None, Mourinho will promote all the Academy players to silence his critics, and when we finish 12th he'll march to the center of the pitch and yell "Are you not entertained!?"
 
adexkola said:
Where does that nugget come from? And why is it cool to spend 73% of your turnover on wages?
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I think it's been kept at around 50% for the past 10 years or something. 41% is very low
 
I think somewhere around 45-50% is the ratio that most top clubs keep.
 
adexkola said:
Where does that nugget come from? And why is it cool to spend 73% of your turnover on wages?
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Gill used to talk about 50% as a manageable figure.
 
do.ob said:
I think somewhere around 45-50% is the ratio that most top clubs keep.
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Most are between 50-60 at the minute.


The figures going to change though. As clubs get richer and richer the basic running cost as a percentage of your income is going to get smaller and smaller, it's only really wages that increase at the same rate.
 
It matters on if LVG is still coach (I hope to God not) and what players actually want to come to OT.
By all reports we bid 100m on both Bale and Muller last year...they just didnt want to leave their respective teams.
 
do.ob said:
I think somewhere around 45-50% is the ratio that most top clubs keep.
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Pexbo said:
Most are between 50-60 at the minute.


The figures going to change though. As clubs get richer and richer the basic running cost as a percentage of your income is going to get smaller and smaller, it's only really wages that increase at the same rate.
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Yeah, I was trying to remember a chart from a couple of years ago, so it might well be higher.
 
do.ob said:
How did you arrive at 10-20% increase? And given that we have no real idea about the Glazer's strategy it's impossible to tell how much United will be spending.
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It will be a lot. Standard budget of £100m give or take. And then there is the £150m cheque that Woody keeps in his underpants in case Neymar becomes available.

According to the Swiss ramble in the 13/14 financial season Bayern had the best wage to revenue percentage of the major clubs in Europe at 44%. Madrid were next at 45%. It could well be the case that we are now the major club with the lowest.
 
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A lot especially if mourinho is the new manager, I would see him wanting two centre backs, at least one midfielder, a winger and a striker none of whom would be cheap, easily see us spending £150m plus.

Last time we missed the champions league we brought in a new manager and spent our way back in, see the same strategy being used again.
 
do.ob said:
How did you arrive at 10-20% increase? And given that we have no real idea about the Glazer's strategy it's impossible to tell how much United will be spending.
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True this. In fact as fans we have little idea about anything. Close the thread. Burn the forum.
 
Everyone now knows we have cash on the hip. But i guess it wasn't exactly a big secret. I'd just hope we see more signings along the lines of Martial, where for once we don't baulk at the fees demanded and just do what's needed to get the player.
 
I think people are going to have a rude awakening how much good players are going to cost in the summer.

The influx of cash in the Premier League together with China emerging as a financial force is going to push prices (and wages) up to unprecedented levels. If we fail to qualify for the Champions League, that will push the prices up for us even more. Even "good not great" players will cost a near (current) world record fee - Kane for example.
 
If Mourinho becomes our new manager, I think we could sign the next players:

Stones. [40+m] He wanted him when he was at Chelsea, players like Laporte, Gimenes and Marquinhos would stay in their clubs.

Renato Sanches. [30+m] A young and hardworking midfielder to rotate with Herrera, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger (and maybe Carrick/Blind).

Barkley. [50+m] We will go for a top player like Griezmann but I think he will stay at Atletico, and Barkley is similar to Lampard/Gerrard so he could be a Mourinho kind of player.

Mahrez. [40+m] We need a RW and he is the best in the league. If City sign him first, we would go for someone like Sane or even Mane.

Ibrahimovic. [Free] There's no point on spending a lot of money in a striker like Kane/Lukaku if Rooney is still here and we just signed Martial for a lot of money. If Ibra decides to sign for other club, a young and versatile striker like Embolo would be a good option.

If we sell Fellaini and another player, we would spend around 150m.

However, I think we will add just 3 or 4 players to our squad.

Does anybody know the maximum of players we signed in one transfer window?
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I think people are going to have a rude awakening how much good players are going to cost in the summer.

The influx of cash in the Premier League together with China emerging as a financial force is going to push prices (and wages) up to unprecedented levels. If we fail to qualify for the Champions League, that will push the prices up for us even more. Even "good not great" players will cost a near (current) world record fee - Kane for example.
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Completely agree.

Over the last couple of years the 10m bracket crept up to 20m and the 30m bracket was closer to 50m.

I think this summer we are going to see a lot of standard premier league players going for 30m and a lot of premier league clubs turning down offers in excess of 50m for their best players.



If we're looking at getting 4 or 5 players in again and they're of the quality we need. We'll be looking in excess of £200m at the very minimum.


What we've got to hope is that we can make some of that back with the Chinese market. An inflated fee for Fellaini would be a great start.
 
I think we could spend an absolute fortune, easily well over £250m net, if the right players are available and willing. Since most of them aren't we would spend considerably less.

Ed wouldn't turn down Bale for £100m in late August even if we've spent close to £200m already, no way.
 
Pexbo said:
The figures going to change though. As clubs get richer and richer the basic running cost as a percentage of your income is going to get smaller and smaller, it's only really wages that increase at the same rate.
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I suspect the figures will remain largely unchanged as most of the increased revenues will go straight to players / agents to keep them out of china (or to attract players from spain, germany etc with high wages).

As for our overall spend I guess a lot will depend on if there is a new manager and what players we sell - if for example a club in china offers £100m for Rooney and lets say Jose is the manager and Mata wants out plus we have no CL football and De Gea wants to go to Madrid then we will probably have a lot of cash and thus spend more... If LVG stays in charge and is largely happy with his squad (and no major players leave) then we will probably spend significantly less.
 
Stacks said:
Too many Variables. Thus far marquee signings seem out of reach. With Jose and Champions League football? definitely. With Van Gaal and Europa cup? I think not
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i firmly believe mourinho will be our manager, therefore the potential variables are certain for me. I also think we are at the precipice of a point of no return so to speak, in that we've stagnated for 3 years on the bounce now, any more could start doing some actual damage, the longer it takes for us to be competitive again, the harder it will be to get there.
 
After last Summer's spending spree, Woodward alluded to the fact that we needed to normalize our spending
i.e basically no more of the 6 in, 8 out kind of thing.

If we stick to that, and considering we are unlikely to be signing the top dollar talent (no one seems to be itching for a move, and Madrid out of fashion bonanza sale might not be on this year), i think we'll spend much less than expected.
 
adexkola said:
Where does that nugget come from? And why is it cool to spend 73% of your turnover on wages?
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It is KingMinger's dream that we will one day spend £350m on transfers and take our wages to turnover to 180%.
 
do.ob said:
How did you arrive at 10-20% increase? And given that we have no real idea about the Glazer's strategy it's impossible to tell how much United will be spending.
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Based on the fact that the new PL deal is going to massively increase the budgets of every club in the league.

Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I think people are going to have a rude awakening how much good players are going to cost in the summer.

The influx of cash in the Premier League together with China emerging as a financial force is going to push prices (and wages) up to unprecedented levels. If we fail to qualify for the Champions League, that will push the prices up for us even more. Even "good not great" players will cost a near (current) world record fee - Kane for example.
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Agreed. Kane would easily take a world record fee - by quite a bit I would think. If they get CL and we don't, it won't even be possible.

Pexbo said:
Completely agree.

Over the last couple of years the 10m bracket crept up to 20m and the 30m bracket was closer to 50m.

I think this summer we are going to see a lot of standard premier league players going for 30m and a lot of premier league clubs turning down offers in excess of 50m for their best players.



If we're looking at getting 4 or 5 players in again and they're of the quality we need. We'll be looking in excess of £200m at the very minimum.


What we've got to hope is that we can make some of that back with the Chinese market. An inflated fee for Fellaini would be a great start.
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Absolutely. £200m will not even get us 4 players of the calibre we need.

As noted in this thread, Woody suggested a while ago on an investor's call that out transfer spending would 'normalize' but I think there will be a change of position there, seeing as we clearly do not have nearly enough players of quality to safely ensure a top 3 finish - which is what our business model is based on.

That said, I just can't see us spending the sort of money we need to get back to being a big team in Europe. Even a relatively unknown young gem from France cost us £36-60m.
 
If Jose comes in and wants to win PL immediately..£250m plus easily. I still think we're 7 players down from where we need to be. RB, CB, DM, CM, AM, WF, FW.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Based on the fact that the new PL deal is going to massively increase the budgets of every club in the league.
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It isn't such a huge relative increase for top clubs, we don't know how much of it will be eaten up by agents and players and most of the recent tranfers probably already had the increased revenues in mind. How much the prices go up will also depend hugely on what category of club and player we're looking at and the fact that the rest of Europe won't get such a dramatic income bump also makes things harder to predict.
 
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Promote the youth, we don't need to spend millions on overhyped youngsters/past it players, we will get rejected anyway.
 
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