When you bolded that part I was sure a law suit was on is way.
This new 'block the keeper's view' free kick routine
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Just curious as to what your definition of "hell of a free kick" is?
It almost certainly should have been ruled offside, but why not take advantage of the fact that no fecker understands the current stupid rule?
If you stop the video as Mata is taking the freekick, you could draw a straight line from the ball to the keeper with no United player between... so in my opinion, they are not blocking his view of the freekick. His own wall is obscuring his view. He probably expects Mata to go the same side the United players are stood but he goes straight over the wall to the other side.
Of course they are offside. May as well stand even closer to keeper and not bother moving if not.
Perhaps you're right. We can't say for sure but the ref was directly in line with the ball and the keeper so he might have seen it that way. Definitely close.
It should be offside there is no question about it.
They are there to block gk vision.
It's remind me Evans own goal in SAF final season.
They are there to block gk vision.
It's remind me Evans own goal in SAF final season.
There's nothing in the rules to say that needs to be the case for them to be deemed offside. Were they trying to interfere with the goalie? If not, what were they doing?
In a nutshell this. They'll moan about it after the game for a while though and that'll be that.
What if you stand in an offside position but to the side of the goal, never in the path of the ball, but mooning the keeper?
They were trying to interfere with the goalkeeper from an onside position. Then, as the player putting them in an onside position went up, they tried to get back onside. So at the point when the ball is struck, they're actively trying to avoid interfering. Whether they managed to avoid it is then up to the ref to decide.
One that just floats over the wall and into the back off the net. Whether that's like Mata's tonight or Ronaldo's v Pompey years ago. I just love a good free kick. Hope that helps.
I'm obviously pleased we scored - of course - but as a 'routine' it shouldn't be used again, hopefully.
It's not new.
This. It does not matter what they were doing before the ball is kicked. As soon as the ball is kicked and the offside rule comes into play they are running away from goal not interfering. The eyeline thing is a judegement call.
fecking hell just appreciate the fact we scored a goal you miserable git.
Indeed
The only annoying thing for me is that we could have used it in a bigger game, you know if we try it again the officials will be onto it
Ronaldo vs Pompey was a hell of a free kick. Or his one against Blackburn(I think?)
Mata's tonight wouldn't be anywhere near that category for me. Not much power, placement not in the corner. Just my opinion of course, although I'll never complain about a goal
Yes there is, if they're not in his line of sight they could be interpreted as not interfering. Just because you're in an offside position doesn't mean you're offside. Personally I thought it was offside but if they didn't obstruct the goalkeepers view I wouldn't call it offside.
Seemed like they were obstructing the view, so should be off side.
Van Gaal just told BT sports he took the idea from midgetland.
So he is stealing ideas of the lower league teams now?
So he is stealing ideas of the lower league teams now?
I would guess it must stop the GK from seeing the ball until the attackers have moved out - they can't be offside until the ball is kicked, once the ball is kicked the GK isn't at that point having his view blocked, so they ain't 'actively active' or whatever
still a stonewall offside for me, though
still a stonewall offside for me, though
Martial had gum and he was giving them some but he didn't want everyone else to know because then he'd have to give everyone gum and then he'd have no gum for himself.
Happens every time I have gum.
The triple van Nistelrooy
I'm not sure in what world that routine could be interpreted as not interfering with play. They're quite clearly affecting the play and particularly the goalkeeper by being in an offside position. And the whole aim of that routine is to distract the goalkeeper. Even if they weren't obstructing his view in any way, it's still a very clear offside according to the laws of the game. And in the spirit of the game, I just can't understand how it wasn't called. We scored, it counts, we should appreciate that but at the same time acknowledge that it shouldn't have stood.
How are they interfering with the goalkeeper if they aren't blocking his view?
Why does it matter where you get ideas from? Anything for people to try and complain about
- In the GK's peripheral vision - having moved there from being between GK & ball, must affect his decision making.
It's absolutely embarrassing isn't it. All my mates are ridiculing me
we scored and nearly scored 2 haha. This sums up the madness in here. who cares if you think it was offside both timesIs stupid, and should have been called offside by the current definition. If this is some of LVG's masterclass, makes me even more depressed.
Nice defending by Martial on the first one mind.
And of course, has nothing on Ando's dance
That's obviously what happened - but I disagree with the ref. Blatantly interfering with play!
The FA, FIFA or someone will surely speak to this sometime this week - don't think anyone has seen this before.
In my opinion it is 100% offside if they are anywhere between the GK and the ball. They might not be in the play and they might not make any attempt to play the ball - but they are absolutely gaining and advantage by being there. If nothing more than trickery - which when done in an offside position should be call for offside.
Good think is I don't think we will see any more of this Mickey Mouse shite - we truly are like a circus now.
In my opinion it is 100% offside if they are anywhere between the GK and the ball. They might not be in the play and they might not make any attempt to play the ball - but they are absolutely gaining and advantage by being there. If nothing more than trickery - which when done in an offside position should be call for offside.
Good think is I don't think we will see any more of this Mickey Mouse shite - we truly are like a circus now.
wtf why is scoring freekicks so embarrassing?
everyone that said we'd get beat raging cos they look stupid?
everyone that said we'd get beat raging cos they look stupid?
It shouldn't be called offside if the players execute the plan correctly. If you look carefully they are trying to time a forward run so that by the time the taker strikes the ball they are actually onside.
The players can only be offside if at the time that the ball is struck they are in an offside position. The trick is to obstruct the keepers view for as long as possible until the ball is struck therefore if the players time their forward run correctly and position themselves correctly whilst moving to an onside they should be able to both be onside by the time the ball is struck and should have obscured the keepers view long enough for it to effect the keepers ability to react/judge the flight of the ball.
The Mata goal is a good example of how it is supposed to work and if you look closely you will see the players in the wall making a last minute forward run so that they are onside once the ball is stuck(it didn't work perfectly on this occasion as they were actually offside when the ball was struck but the goal was probably given because at the time which the ball was struck the ref may have felt they were not interfering with the keepers line of site, where as they were a couple of seconds before).
Its not a bad tactic but needs to be used sparingly to have any long term effect.
The players can only be offside if at the time that the ball is struck they are in an offside position. The trick is to obstruct the keepers view for as long as possible until the ball is struck therefore if the players time their forward run correctly and position themselves correctly whilst moving to an onside they should be able to both be onside by the time the ball is struck and should have obscured the keepers view long enough for it to effect the keepers ability to react/judge the flight of the ball.
The Mata goal is a good example of how it is supposed to work and if you look closely you will see the players in the wall making a last minute forward run so that they are onside once the ball is stuck(it didn't work perfectly on this occasion as they were actually offside when the ball was struck but the goal was probably given because at the time which the ball was struck the ref may have felt they were not interfering with the keepers line of site, where as they were a couple of seconds before).
Its not a bad tactic but needs to be used sparingly to have any long term effect.
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Don't care what we have to do to score right now tbh
Surely it should be the goalkeepers responsibility to not get distracted by players moving away from the goal, as long as they're not actively blocking his line of sight? Obviously, if they're blocking the goalkeeper's view of the ball, they're offside, but if not, the goalkeeper has to be responsible for what he looks at, no?
If I'm the last defender and I'm picking my nose and looking at an injured player near the corner flag while ignoring where the ball is, does that make the injured player offside?
If I'm the last defender and I'm picking my nose and looking at an injured player near the corner flag while ignoring where the ball is, does that make the injured player offside?
Skip to 0:45, we stole it from Midget land.
Jesus Christ tell me you arent seriousIs stupid, and should have been called offside by the current definition. If this is some of LVG's masterclass, makes me even more depressed.
Nice defending by Martial on the first one mind.
And of course, has nothing on Ando's dance
Yeah and by some on the caf say something like this "big teams should not try stuff from lesser teams"...
Yea, it was offside, but I don't care.
Distracting the keeper like I said. Breaking his concentration and influencing his decision making. There's nothing wrong with that of course, unless you do it in an offside position when the ball is struck. Had they timed it better and moved back onside when the ball was struck, it'd be a perfectly legal move. That's the nature of the offside law.