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Apple Refuses Court Order Over Phone Encryption
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And he continues to tweet with his iPhone.
Some perv can get us every celebrities naked tits but the FBI can't even get this info from the same device. What a age we live in.
How unpatriotic...bet he wants us all to use Samsung and help put South Korea.
Disgusting.
Just read this from here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/19/us_doj_apple/
Farook destroyed two of his other phones, but not his iPhone 5C that the FBI wants to break into. That 5C is a work phone, belonging to the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, and may not contain anything incriminating. The Feds also have access to his device backups to mid-October. For some reason, Farook's iCloud password was reset by US officials in the hours after he murdered his coworkers, which prevented any further over-the-air backups from the device.
Farook destroyed two of his other phones, but not his iPhone 5C that the FBI wants to break into. That 5C is a work phone, belonging to the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, and may not contain anything incriminating. The Feds also have access to his device backups to mid-October. For some reason, Farook's iCloud password was reset by US officials in the hours after he murdered his coworkers, which prevented any further over-the-air backups from the device.
can't be arsed to look it up , can apple just open it on a one off? i mean IMO you give up your rights the moment you take away someone else's.
But this is about stopping future terrorist atrocities damnit!
And this ladies and gentlemen is why we're collectively fecked.
gee thanks for the help. and i thought it was acts of violence and man's inhumanity to man. fecking cnut.
More often than not apathy and disillusionment create the vacuum that "acts of violence and man's inhumanity to man" fill.
you're still a cnut.
don't care. you have a small penis etc. etc.
feck off cnuto
Well that escalated quickly lol
Apparently Apple 5C doesn't even have the SET chips which sort of encrypt for each device, making it much harder for the ios to break into. Lot of conflicting reports, but overall it seems that FBI wants Apple to sort of flash a version of iOS which doesn't have checks and balances for security, like no locking after a certain number of tries and this sort of 'flashing' can only occur from Apple's secure servers if they have to preserve the underlying data.
I respect the right to privacy, but if Apple can guarantee that it can control this process for just this device, would their claim of this tech falling into wrong hands still hold good? After all, they make new models and products and they don't stop doing it just because it may fall into the wrong hands
I respect the right to privacy, but if Apple can guarantee that it can control this process for just this device, would their claim of this tech falling into wrong hands still hold good? After all, they make new models and products and they don't stop doing it just because it may fall into the wrong hands
Apple's opposition is as much about the precedent it would set as it is the technology of it. In this instance they may be able to grant the request without compromising the security of all iPhones but once they do that, then the FBI will come back to them another time, and another and another.
Anyway, the phone in question is this geezes work phone, and the only one he didn't destroy, I think the FBI know theres nothing of value on there, but they also know its about precedent too.
The first principle of designing security is to build defences that you can't breach yourself.
So Apple is being asked to develop an entirely new tool to do this, maybe they can, maybe they can't. If it was easy the FBI would have done it themselves.
Next we hear it's going to be a tool designed to only work on that specific phone. You can imagine how that'll go in testing.
Engineer, "hey boss I've written that program that only works on one phone",
Boss, "Does it work"
Engineer, "I guess so, we'll not know until we try, we'll have to plug the phone and see"
Boss, "ok"
Engineer, "Opps....."
So, what needs to happen is that a general purpose de-cryption tool is written and tested on hundreds of devices first before if goes anywhere near the phone in question.
Then if any evidence from this is used in court, the tool used to breach the phone would have to be given to the defense team, so they could verify the process and repeat the exercise.
You don't just get a cop going into court with a clear text print out and saying, "hey we found this on his phone, can't demonstrate how we got it though". Shits all over chain of custody of evidence and it being credible.
Also, the next time something happens, the police will use it again and again. It's nothing less than a general attack on presonal crypto
So Apple is being asked to develop an entirely new tool to do this, maybe they can, maybe they can't. If it was easy the FBI would have done it themselves.
Next we hear it's going to be a tool designed to only work on that specific phone. You can imagine how that'll go in testing.
Engineer, "hey boss I've written that program that only works on one phone",
Boss, "Does it work"
Engineer, "I guess so, we'll not know until we try, we'll have to plug the phone and see"
Boss, "ok"
Engineer, "Opps....."
So, what needs to happen is that a general purpose de-cryption tool is written and tested on hundreds of devices first before if goes anywhere near the phone in question.
Then if any evidence from this is used in court, the tool used to breach the phone would have to be given to the defense team, so they could verify the process and repeat the exercise.
You don't just get a cop going into court with a clear text print out and saying, "hey we found this on his phone, can't demonstrate how we got it though". Shits all over chain of custody of evidence and it being credible.
Also, the next time something happens, the police will use it again and again. It's nothing less than a general attack on presonal crypto
It has got to be a good idea to check though hasn't it. I mean if it was a work laptop and they could get into it they would do so just in case.
Seems Bill Gates is siding with the feds on this one....
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/23/bill-gates-sides-with-fbi-in-iphone-hack-request.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/23/bill-gates-sides-with-fbi-in-iphone-hack-request.html
Of course he does that's no surprise. Windows have been harvesting data on their customers for years
Surprising.
Of course he does that's no surprise. Windows have been harvesting data on their customers for years
So have Google & Facebook, but they're still siding with Apple.
Of course, but Gates isn't still in charge of Microsoft, so his opinion on the matter isn't really relevant because it shouldn't change anything.
Whereas the heads of Google/Facebook etc have it in their best interest to side with Apple.
Whether he is in charge of Microsoft or not is irrelevant. He's still the founder of one of the world's iconic tech companies and the biggest philanthropist in the world, and a contemporary of Jobs.
Don't get me wrong he's a great individual, but his opinion on the matter is skewed by the fact that what he says isn't going to influence Microsoft or any other tech company.
His actual words are referencing that the government want the information on this specific case, and therefore because its a 1-time request Apple should do it.
He's not advocating for a general software that the FBI want.
But considering the FBI managed to reset the Apple ID password while the phone is in their possession, they've most likely messed up their best chance of unlocking the phone.
It would be amazing if, this whole time, the unlock number of 1-2-3-4.
I agree with what he is saying and am inclined to believe Jobs would do the same (despite Wozniak's recent comments) by reaching some sort of one off compromise that would keep all parties happy.
Jobs definitely wouldn't have sided with him on this, because it's not possible to keep it on a one-off.
The likelihood is unfortunately that something similar to Bernardino is going to happen again - so then do they go back to Apple a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? What if the shooter planned to kill dozens, but only killed a few, does that warrant access to their phone? What if they planned and killed no one? It's too open-ended.
If they unlock the phone and they find nothing of any use to them then what happens if it does more harm than good? Hackers now know that iPhones can be compromised and they will find a way make no mistake.
The FBI have a history of using illegal tactics as a means to gain information on individuals who weren't under their investigation to then bring them down - so why trust them with access to millions of iPhone users?
Using the San Bernardino incident to try and emotionally guilt Apple and other tech companies into handing over data on their users isn't right.
We'd all be deluding ourselves if we think that this will be the first and only incident the FBI will want to use it for.
I'm all for the companies providing them with the information if security and lives are at risk. That's the tradeoff for living in a society where security trumps privacy, and protecting Apple's profit margins is not a priority in contrast to derailing further mass murder plots.
So what happens when the security is compromised?
If a team of Apple developers can create the software, then don't you think hackers can infiltrate it? Then mask their identity thereafter so they can't be traced?
That's for Apple and the Government to sort out. I'm sure they can reach a compromise to assuage the privacy concerns.
Not necessarily on-topic but what's the most famous hacker crew today? And how sophisticated are they?
Right so the ability to hack into millions of phones worldwide with no traceability and you're saying that the government can stop it?
They can't even unlock an iPhone 5c right now
Isn't that what the Judge's decision is for? The point isn't that the FBI can keep going back to Apple and asking for phone records, they still need a Court order. So are you saying you don't trust the Legal system as well as the FBI?
Well that's the point that Apple are making. The FBI are saying that this is a one time request, but the likelihood is that similar incidents will continue to happen.
Where does the line get drawn as to what warrants a court order? And what if it happens in other countries?
I doubt they are activists and as such I doubt they have handles/aliases or a "crew name".
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/video...tes-report-that-he-backs-fbi-in-apple-dispute
Bill Gates disputes the report which claims he backs FBI against Apple. Go figure.
Bill Gates disputes the report which claims he backs FBI against Apple. Go figure.
That's what I'm saying, let the Courts decide. This is a very extreme case we are talking about and I doubt the FBI have the time & resources to force Apple to get in to the phone of someone who's stolen a packet of crisps. Would Apple have to abide by Court orders raised in foreign countries?
History would show they have plenty of time for getting into lots of people's packets of crisps, and are only too happy to do so.