I wouldn't necessarily be against Giggs, i just think the chance of failure is bigger with him than for example Mourinho.
Exactly what qualifications has Giggs got to manage United?
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Nepotism because he did feck all for the club during his career. Sounds about right!
What he did as a player has Zero Bearing on his managerial qualifications. The sheer stupidity of going with Giggs instead of Mourinho could open a black hole somewhere in the universe to balance it out.
Can you share a pdf of the BS rule book you are referring to.
You mean the rule book called Being Rational, Volume 1 of the Journal of Common Sense? That one?
We have Jose available, a proven winner vs Giggs who has zero experience and has been part of two failed regimes. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the sensible decision.
Oh shit, so you did just make that up. I honestly didn't see that coming. What were the odds of that! Good to know there are players out there who served their club after their playing career.
The campaign by our ex players is fecking annoying, they are clueless and seem to care more about getting their buddy in the job than about the club.
Uh yea I wasn't disputing the fact that he's served us beyond his playing career. I'm saying his playing career has no impact on how he should qualify for managing us. Sit down and take a chill pill moron. Maybe learn to read while you're at it.
And you think I am the guy who has to calm down? yeah right.
sit down childThis is what worries me more than someone like Scholes saying it as Yorke and Robbo would have been briefed about what to say to the press over most issues.
Gear up lads, seems we will be seeing Giggs in charge after all - which genuinely leads me to believe that the men in charge have zero ability to read and adapt to changing and difficult situations on the field.
If Giggs does get the job, he'll get my backing 100%. Who knows? He may go on to be a great success and I hope he does - he's a legend at this club.
But 90%+ of fans and media believe it's a risk not worth taking with the current managers available to us. The vast majority think he should have gone elsewhere and proved himself first. By appointing him, the board and owners would be ignoring that and telling us that they know better.
That's fine and again, I hope they're right. But if they are wrong, I expect heads to roll far higher up the chain than the manager.
But 90%+ of fans and media believe it's a risk not worth taking with the current managers available to us. The vast majority think he should have gone elsewhere and proved himself first. By appointing him, the board and owners would be ignoring that and telling us that they know better.
That's fine and again, I hope they're right. But if they are wrong, I expect heads to roll far higher up the chain than the manager.
The fans are left with no choice but take this path.
From what we have seen, as long as the sponsorships keep coming in no one on the executive board seem to care much.
The one remaining hope I have of Giggs not getting the job is we are most likely to miss out on the top 4 this season. If we miss out on it again next year, it will adversely effect the Adidas deal. Now losing money is something the Glazers will genuinely be concerned about.
Putting Giggs in charge for the new season will be far too much of a risk considering the money they would be gambling with. So maybe they might not consider it a good time for him to take over.
Since you don't seem to understand what nepotism means:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nepotism
As you may note, the concept of nepotism has absolutely NOTHING to do with what a person did in the past. It has 100% to do with giving some form of advantage based purely on kinship.
Based on objective qualifications alone, the ONLY thing that indicates Giggs is the right man for the job is his familiarity with the culture of MUFC, which obviously does mean something. However, any appointment of Giggs as manager would in fact be a de facto case of nepotism, right or wrong. The gamble could surely pay off (like it did with Guardiola at Barca and seems to be with Zidane at Real).
Think of it this way: would MUFC ever appoint any other retired footballer with zero manager experience to manage MUFC? Would MUFC even consider appointing someone like Xavi as their manager, assuming he had the necessary coaching badges and 2 stints as assistant? Of course not. Why not? Because Xavi didn't play for MUFC and isn't a native English speaker. That there is nepotism.
Strikes me that someone like Fergie wouldn't be happy that his Chosen One was such a colossal failure and would be looking to right that wrong at the first chance. He clearly never cared for Mourinho and, I'm sure, believes that Giggs has learned enough to carry on his style and ways. All the new speculation makes me think that Fergie still doesn't want Mourinho (like LVG, another manager he won't have much say over) and would like to stop it if he can.
We have too much to lose embarking on another project, hoping that Giggs is the magical connection to the past we've hoped for. Give it to a proven manager who can get us sorted out for a few years. Let Giggs prove himyself and if he's worthy, we will find out soon enough. I don't think anyone sees Mourinho as a long-term fix anyway.
We have too much to lose embarking on another project, hoping that Giggs is the magical connection to the past we've hoped for. Give it to a proven manager who can get us sorted out for a few years. Let Giggs prove himyself and if he's worthy, we will find out soon enough. I don't think anyone sees Mourinho as a long-term fix anyway.
Okay, so that excuses him from the Moyes debacle.
Now explain the LVG debacle. Surely Giggs has to take some responsibility...right?
Giggs over Mourinho (providing that he's in for the job) would be a stupid move, of course. I don't think I've seen anyone denying that, nor have I seen any press stating that Giggs should be first in line above Mourinho.
Also, how does it not at least have Some Bearing on his managerial qualifications? He played the game at the highest level and won practically every honor there is possible? We aren't talking about some homeless guy off the stoop who had never even seen a game of football being played in his life. Taking him in and guiding him through his badges.. What a weird path of logic to take to claim a man who's dedicated his life to playing football will probably know absolutely feck all about the management of a football team.
I see the prophets of MUFC Doom at the hands of Ryan 'Withertouch' Giggs are out in force again trying to ram down our throats how little experience Ryan Giggs has to be a manager. How if he is appointed it will almost certainly open a gateway to an alternate universe and swallow us up where we'll live out the rest of our days at the hands of this foul daemon guiding is to endless relegation each season. You guys are up and down like a yoyo. Mourinho article: YES GET IN, NOT GIGGS!!!.. Giggs article: OH NO RELEGATION, DONE, DISBAND THE CLUB NOW, DEMOLISH OLD TRAFFORD LETS BUILD A TENNIS CENTER INSTEAD.. Mourinho article: YESSS GET INNNN ANYONE BUT GIGGS! Giggs article: NOooo THATS IT, ITS OVER, LADS WERE DOOMED.
Get a grip ffs, what are you all going to do if you wake up tomorrow and the club has announced Giggs is the manager? Cancel your season ticket? Cut all of your payTV subscriptions? Start bagging up your shit so it is ready to light and hurl at Giggs when he enters the training complex for the first time as manager? We have no say in the decision so chill out, let people chat about it and stop trying to claim he'll destroy the entire club if he's appointed. At the very least his first task would be to actually get us going forward and scoring goals. The whole fanbase is absolutely gagging for some entertainment, that box won't be to hard to tick and might lead to some positive results, no?
Do me a favor, grab someone with a camcorder and head off to AON and get them to film you going up to ex players and telling them they are clueless about United. I've got a solution for you if you don't like what ex players, pundits etc say about the possibility of him becoming manager, don't read or listen to it? They get asked to give soundbytes about it because people keep flipping their lid whenever the topic comes across the media.
Mourinho is the obvious and most logical choice. But if that goes to the dogs and they appoint Giggs, what can we do but live with it. We don't know how good or bad he will be, the people who work closely with him do.
The only good thing about getting Giggs will be that if he also fails then the old guys will probably leave with him. It would be about time too. Considering SAF's and Charlton's age we will pretty soon start delivering adult nappies in the board room.
They talk complete shit and come off as frankly ignorant and dim, whether they would beat me up or whatever your proposed camcorder idea was about is irrelevant, this is a message board where we comment on topics, just give your opinion on the topic an don't worry about trying to tell others what to do.
Only on redcafe could people think that ex footballers, pundits and legends of the club are "ignorant and dim" yet the 82% of redcafe members are apparently enlightened and knowledgeable about the game.
Well said.
It's funny how many hypocrites the Caf has that some shit on pundits and ex player waffle merchants from other clubs, but ours are clearly super smart because it suits you.
It's funny how many wonderful and talented players from our past become "ignorant and dim" because they don't agree with you.
Honestly, the men have a difference of opinion. These men actually know Ryan Giggs and have a good insight into his personality. They'll have heard stories about Mourinho, they'll have met people who know him well. These are the people who actually have more insight into the situation than us, so to call them "ignorant" is actually hilarious.
I don't think that they are dim or ignorant. They are just not very knowledgeable in football management + they are extremely biased. Take Gary Neville as an example (Guardiola version 2.0). He was like a god in punditry but he can't stop ridiculing himself at Valencia. Hopefully he'll soon return to punditry were he's so good at
Being a good player means absolutely feck all, most footballers, especially English ones, are thick as mud, the very logic by which they are trying to push for putting a complete novice with no personality in charge exposes them as ignorant.
"A complete novice with no personality" "especially English ones"
I mean... your ignorance is really coming through. Not theirs.
I absolutely love that post. It's SO redcafe.
Calling other people ignorant while also suggesting all English footballers are thick as mud. Top notch.
Calling other people ignorant while also suggesting all English footballers are thick as mud. Top notch.
No, it's called watching them sit and talk about football on TV week after week and coming off as thick as it gets, if you really think Savage, Shearer, McMannaman, Redknapp, Owen, Keown, Wright, Murphy, Hargreaves etc... are the bastions of knowledgeable football punditry then good luck.
You're just a silly troll whose arse kissing act has ran it's course like Santiago bonkers LvG worship routine.Oh and I said most not all, please be factual while trolling me please.
Intelligence is measured in different ways. Shearer might have failed his Maths SATS in Year 6, but his positional intelligence in scoring goals is something that many young strikers can learn from.
Michael Owen might not have the emotional intelligence to not berate a young 12 year old goalkeeper, but he seems extremely well versed in horse racing.
I have a massive problem with the choice of the word "thick" in the first place (even I occasionally use it) but to act like these people have nothing to say on the matter based on the fact that none of us know Giggs at all is amazing.
I mean you don't know the man at all and say he has no personality. They know him and think he would be a good manager. You're calling them ignorant.
Disrespectful little twit. You're absolutely full of shit. I'd love to see you debate some of your points with Fergie himself, you'd get murdered.
The first two paragraphs show me you are just trolling because they don't address anything in this discussion.
I don't care what word you have a problem with frankly, and these people have nothing of worth to say on the matter because none of them are speaking with a lick of logic, they just want their guy in and are speaking from a place of huge bias that cannot and should not be trusted. I am sure we all have friends that we stick by regardless, and it's clear as day that the Fergie brigade are determined to get him in based on nothing but the fact he played for us, he's not managed at all and he shows zero charisma when giving an interview, if he wants the job let him go an earn it like Klopp, Simeone, Luis Enrique and Tuchel earned theirs.
It is absolutely madness the level of discourse in this forum that is allowed. How is Devilish not warned for that post?
I'm lost for words really.
Why should he be? No one was ever warned for calling Torres a Ladyboy or the stacks of posts calling LvG a cnut. If the board starts censoring strong remarks on the people in the game, as long as they aren't racist, homophobic or sexist, it will become RAWK.
Disrespectful in what way? There both mid 70s FFS. Don't they have anything to do in life at that point, like enjoying their grandchildren etc? I surely wouldn't want to still be working at that age.
Also United had taken one bad turn in the past few years and they are the football mind in the board room. At one point the buck will stop and they will be made accountable for their decisions like anybody else.
As I said before for me no one is bigger then the club. Giggs was my favourite player but I would escort him out of OT myself if I could. Same with everybody else
I wouldn't really condone calling LVG a cnut, but he's not an ABSOLUTE LEGEND of our football club is he?
Fergie and Charlton and Giggs are three of the clubs biggest legends but Devilish acts like they're incompetent idiots who can't compete on his level. Just the other week he was telling me he can barely focus on a football match because "his brain" can't focus on just one thing anymore, he's too intelligent for that.
You are calling me a WUM and sticking up for the lad who said Fergie and Charlton need incontinence pads.
"most of their recent decisions were controversial"
Literally won the league three seasons ago.
3 years are a long time in football