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I wouldn't necessarily be against Giggs, i just think the chance of failure is bigger with him than for example Mourinho.
Nepotism because he did feck all for the club during his career. Sounds about right!They can't because they don't have a good reason period. It's why everything they say is sentimental rather than rational. They want their good friend to become the next manager and it's really preventing them from being objective.
An ex-player with zero managerial experience, and a man who's been the 2nd guy in charge of two disastrous managements, having shown no glimpse of being a good manager material.
It's nepotism at its worst - even worse than Moyes appointment - and I'm afraid it's going to set the club back 100 years if Glazers/Woodward let this happen.
What he did as a player has Zero Bearing on his managerial qualifications. The sheer stupidity of going with Giggs instead of Mourinho could open a black hole somewhere in the universe to balance it out.Nepotism because he did feck all for the club during his career. Sounds about right!
Can you share a pdf of the BS rule book you are referring to.What he did as a player has Zero Bearing on his managerial qualifications. The sheer stupidity of going with Giggs instead of Mourinho could open a black hole somewhere in the universe to balance it out.
You mean the rule book called Being Rational, Volume 1 of the Journal of Common Sense? That one?Can you share a pdf of the BS rule book you are referring to.
Oh shit, so you did just make that up. I honestly didn't see that coming. What were the odds of that! Good to know there are players out there who served their club after their playing career.You mean the rule book called Being Rational, Volume 1 of the Journal of Common Sense? That one?
We have Jose available, a proven winner vs Giggs who has zero experience and has been part of two failed regimes. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the sensible decision.
Uh yea I wasn't disputing the fact that he's served us beyond his playing career. I'm saying his playing career has no impact on how he should qualify for managing us. Sit down and take a chill pill moron. Maybe learn to read while you're at it.Oh shit, so you did just make that up. I honestly didn't see that coming. What were the odds of that! Good to know there are players out there who served their club after their playing career.
And you think I am the guy who has to calm down? yeah right.Uh yea I wasn't disputing the fact that he's served us beyond his playing career. I'm saying his playing career has no impact on how he should qualify for managing us. Sit down and take a chill pill moron. Maybe learn to read while you're at it.
sit down childAnd you think I am the guy who has to calm down? yeah right.
This is what worries me more than someone like Scholes saying it as Yorke and Robbo would have been briefed about what to say to the press over most issues.Seeing as both Robbo & Dwight do ambassadorial/promotional work for the club, you have to wonder whether their views are truly objective.
The fans are left with no choice but take this path.If Giggs does get the job, he'll get my backing 100%. Who knows? He may go on to be a great success and I hope he does - he's a legend at this club.
From what we have seen, as long as the sponsorships keep coming in no one on the executive board seem to care much.If Giggs does get the job, he'll get my backing 100%. Who knows? He may go on to be a great success and I hope he does - he's a legend at this club.
But 90%+ of fans and media believe it's a risk not worth taking with the current managers available to us. The vast majority think he should have gone elsewhere and proved himself first. By appointing him, the board and owners would be ignoring that and telling us that they know better.
That's fine and again, I hope they're right. But if they are wrong, I expect heads to roll far higher up the chain than the manager.
Since you don't seem to understand what nepotism means:Nepotism because he did feck all for the club during his career. Sounds about right!
Okay, so that excuses him from the Moyes debacle.He wasn't number two to Moyes
He was player-coach
Giggs over Mourinho (providing that he's in for the job) would be a stupid move, of course. I don't think I've seen anyone denying that, nor have I seen any press stating that Giggs should be first in line above Mourinho.What he did as a player has Zero Bearing on his managerial qualifications. The sheer stupidity of going with Giggs instead of Mourinho could open a black hole somewhere in the universe to balance it out.
Do me a favor, grab someone with a camcorder and head off to AON and get them to film you going up to ex players and telling them they are clueless about United. I've got a solution for you if you don't like what ex players, pundits etc say about the possibility of him becoming manager, don't read or listen to it? They get asked to give soundbytes about it because people keep flipping their lid whenever the topic comes across the media.The campaign by our ex players is fecking annoying, they are clueless and seem to care more about getting their buddy in the job than about the club.
They talk complete shit and come off as frankly ignorant and dim, whether they would beat me up or whatever your proposed camcorder idea was about is irrelevant, this is a message board where we comment on topics, just give your opinion on the topic an don't worry about trying to tell others what to do.Do me a favor, grab someone with a camcorder and head off to AON and get them to film you going up to ex players and telling them they are clueless about United. I've got a solution for you if you don't like what ex players, pundits etc say about the possibility of him becoming manager, don't read or listen to it? They get asked to give soundbytes about it because people keep flipping their lid whenever the topic comes across the media.
Mourinho is the obvious and most logical choice. But if that goes to the dogs and they appoint Giggs, what can we do but live with it. We don't know how good or bad he will be, the people who work closely with him do.
Well said.Only on redcafe could people think that ex footballers, pundits and legends of the club are "ignorant and dim" yet the 82% of redcafe members are apparently enlightened and knowledgeable about the game.
It's funny how many hypocrites the Caf has that some shit on pundits and ex player waffle merchants from other clubs, but ours are clearly super smart because it suits you.Only on redcafe could people think that ex footballers, pundits and legends of the club are "ignorant and dim" yet the 82% of redcafe members are apparently enlightened and knowledgeable about the game.
It's funny how many wonderful and talented players from our past become "ignorant and dim" because they don't agree with you.It's funny how many hypocrites the Caf has that some shit on pundits and ex player waffle merchants from other clubs, but ours are clearly super smart because it suits you.
I don't think that they are dim or ignorant. They are just not very knowledgeable in football management + they are extremely biased. Take Gary Neville as an example (Guardiola version 2.0). He was like a god in punditry but he can't stop ridiculing himself at Valencia. Hopefully he'll soon return to punditry were he's so good atOnly on redcafe could people think that ex footballers, pundits and legends of the club are "ignorant and dim" yet the 82% of redcafe members are apparently enlightened and knowledgeable about the game.
Being a good player means absolutely feck all, most footballers, especially English ones, are thick as mud, the very logic by which they are trying to push for putting a complete novice with no personality in charge exposes them as ignorant.It's funny how many wonderful and talented players from our past become "ignorant and dim" because they don't agree with you.
Honestly, the men have a difference of opinion. These men actually know Ryan Giggs and have a good insight into his personality. They'll have heard stories about Mourinho, they'll have met people who know him well. These are the people who actually have more insight into the situation than us, so to call them "ignorant" is actually hilarious.
"A complete novice with no personality" "especially English ones"Being a good player means absolutely feck all, most footballers, especially English ones, are thick as mud, the very logic by which they are trying to push for putting a complete novice with no personality in charge exposes them as ignorant.
No, it's called watching them sit and talk about football on TV week after week and coming off as thick as it gets, if you really think Savage, Shearer, McMannaman, Redknapp, Owen, Keown, Wright, Murphy, Hargreaves etc... are the bastions of knowledgeable football punditry then good luck."A complete novice with no personality" "especially English ones"
I mean... your ignorance is really coming through. Not theirs.
You're just a silly troll whose arse kissing act has ran it's course like Santiago bonkers LvG worship routine.Oh and I said most not all, please be factual while trolling me please.I absolutely love that post. It's SO redcafe.
Calling other people ignorant while also suggesting all English footballers are thick as mud. Top notch.
Intelligence is measured in different ways. Shearer might have failed his Maths SATS in Year 6, but his positional intelligence in scoring goals is something that many young strikers can learn from.No, it's called watching them sit and talk about football on TV week after week and coming off as thick as it gets, if you really think Savage, Shearer, McMannaman, Redknapp, Owen, Keown, Wright, Murphy, Hargreaves etc... are the bastions of knowledgeable football punditry then good luck.
Disrespectful little twit. You're absolutely full of shit. I'd love to see you debate some of your points with Fergie himself, you'd get murdered.The only good thing about getting Giggs will be that if he also fails then the old guys will probably leave with him. It would be about time too. Considering SAF's and Charlton's age we will pretty soon start delivering adult nappies in the board room.
The first two paragraphs show me you are just trolling because they don't address anything in this discussion.Intelligence is measured in different ways. Shearer might have failed his Maths SATS in Year 6, but his positional intelligence in scoring goals is something that many young strikers can learn from.
Michael Owen might not have the emotional intelligence to not berate a young 12 year old goalkeeper, but he seems extremely well versed in horse racing.
I have a massive problem with the choice of the word "thick" in the first place (even I occasionally use it) but to act like these people have nothing to say on the matter based on the fact that none of us know Giggs at all is amazing.
I mean you don't know the man at all and say he has no personality. They know him and think he would be a good manager. You're calling them ignorant.
It is absolutely madness the level of discourse in this forum that is allowed. How is Devilish not warned for that post?Disrespectful little twit. You're absolutely full of shit. I'd love to see you debate some of your points with Fergie himself, you'd get murdered.
I'm lost for words really.The only good thing about getting Giggs will be that if he also fails then the old guys will probably leave with him. It would be about time too. Considering SAF's and Charlton's age we will pretty soon start delivering adult nappies in the board room.
Why should he be? No one was ever warned for calling Torres a Ladyboy or the stacks of posts calling LvG a cnut. If the board starts censoring strong remarks on the people in the game, as long as they aren't racist, homophobic or sexist, it will become RAWK.It is absolutely madness the level of discourse in this forum that is allowed. How is Devilish not warned for that post?
Disrespectful in what way? There both mid 70s FFS. Don't they have anything to do in life at that point, like enjoying their grandchildren etc? I surely wouldn't want to still be working at that age.Disrespectful little twit. You're absolutely full of shit. I'd love to see you debate some of your points with Fergie himself, you'd get murdered.
I wouldn't really condone calling LVG a cnut, but he's not an ABSOLUTE LEGEND of our football club is he?Why should he be? No one was ever warned for calling Torres a Ladyboy or the stacks of posts calling LvG a cnut. If the board starts censoring strong remarks on the people in the game, as long as they aren't racist, homophobic or sexist, it will become RAWK.
"most of their recent decisions were controversial"Disrespectful in what way? There both mid 70s FFS. Don't they have anything to do in life at that point, like living with their grandchildren etc? I surely wouldn't want to still be working at that age. Also most of their recent decisions were controversial at best which include appointing Moyes. At one point the buck will stop and they will be made accountable for their decisions like anybody else.
As I said before for me no one is bigger then the club. Giggs was my favourite player but I would escort him out of OT myself if I could. Same with everybody else
3 years are a long time in football"most of their recent decisions were controversial"
Literally won the league three seasons ago.