Bravo's challenge on Rooney.

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Clearest penalty you'll ever see. Keepers get way too much protection. Clattenburg COMPLETELY bottled it. But things even themselves out over the course of the season so we'll get a few undeserved penalties I'm sure.
 
City have been fortunate but I'm not as outraged as some on here, keepers are often given far greater licence to follow through on 50/50s I think if that's ddg we're defending it

I actually thought otamendis 2 footer on valencia was far worse but he got away with that because silva committed the first foul
 
Cityfaninpeace said:
Does he touch the ball first or rooney's ankle?
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It doesn't matter whether he touches the ball first or the player: if he follows through with the tackle, in a reckless fashion, and makes a lunging, studs-up, contact with the player then it's a red card. The only possible mitigation I can see is that the referee may have felt Rooney went in with the same sort of aggression, but even then it doesn't excuse that type of challenge, where the defending player is deemed to not have his body under control.
 
NinjaZombie said:
@Man-United @Raoul

I have to elaborate. It was a bad challenge and he should have been called up on it, but in the context of a derby, I just can't be getting all mad over something like that. We lost because of other reasons than that challenge.
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I'm not one to moan about ref decisions but the ref bottled it. Simple as. Forget about the rest of the game. We can view this incident independently and rationally conclude we were denied an obvious penalty and red card.
 
I remember people declaring Clattenburg the world's best ref during the euros.
 
Raoul said:
I'm not one to moan about ref decisions but the ref bottled it. Simple as. Forget about the rest of the game. We can view this incident independently and rationally conclude we were denied an obvious penalty and red card.
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I think Bravo being a keeper also played a big part in the ref's decision making. They get away with a lot of things. That would have been a clear foul, and probably a yellow if it was done by an outfielder and it was outside the penalty box.
 
I must be the only Utd fan that thought it wasn't a penalty. If Rooney was half a second faster yes, but I saw it as 50-50
 
Kolarov is toothless from a Fellaini elbow apparently but no one is talking about that.
 
Yagami said:
Still not the most ridiculous decision Clattenburg's made against us. That dí Maria red card just because he touched his shoulder is in a league of it's own. The amount of times since then a players touched a ref (even Clattenburg himself) and nothing, not even a talking to from it, was given is bizarre.
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That was Oliver I think, deffo wasn't clatts. Don't think this was 100% a pen personally, keep got the ball, wasn't a totally out of control challenge.
 
Penalty and a red card. Shocking. The fact that Rooney was penalised and booked for a foul on Bravo nowhere near as bad only made it worse.
At the very least, a penalty and a yellow.
 
Stonewall penalty if i've ever seen one. Ridiculous decision to wave play on.

Clattenburg hasn't given us a thing since that banner a few years back.
 
Suedesi said:
I must be the only Utd fan that thought it wasn't a penalty. If Rooney was half a second faster yes, but I saw it as 50-50
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Not the only one. There are at least 2 of us. You're spot on. Shame Rooney wasn't slightly quicker to react.
 
Kostur said:
Let's go even further. Red cards only when somebody's leg actually snaps imo.

Or perhaps no blood no red?
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How about not being a sore loser? We lost because we got our tactics and team wrong the first half. That incident was less of a penalty than the time Bailly took out Otamendi's legs as he was trying to score. Danger exists in playing any sport, that is why players are paid highly.

Also pales in comparison to the most terrible decision i've ever seen by Bobby Madley by giving that non existent penalty to give Arsenal the win.
 
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Footyislife said:
How about not being a sore loser? We lost because we got our tactics and team wrong the first half. That incident was less of a penalty than the time Bailly took out Otamendi's legs as he was trying to score. Danger exists in playing any sport, that is why players are paid highly.

Also pales in comparison to the most terrible decision i've ever seen by Bobby Madley by giving that non existent penalty to give Arsenal the win.
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How is noting that Bravo should've been sent off and we should've been awarded with a penalty being a sore loser?

Yes, we lost because we were outplayed but at the same time we've had a crucial decision called against us which could have as well turned the whole match around. I guess that this is the right thread for it?
 
He leaves the ground and goes in studs showing, making contact with Rooney's shin. It's reckless and he's not in control of the challenge, clear penalty and red card, on another day that could have seriously injured Rooney.
 
Vilev said:
I don't think it's a pen, it's a genuine 50-50, both players went for the ball, Bravo just managed to get it. It was a very hard tackle though.
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same here.

If De Gea were the one committing the challenge, we would be praising his bravery to correct his previous mistake.

it was a hard 50/50 challenge and nothing more than that. (like when Neuer almost KO Higuain...)

This is a contact sports guys, don't forget. feck, i go stronger than that in my baby football games...

We need to stop looking for excuses outside our team. We lost because they were better and that's it. They are a better team, have been playing together for longer, but we didn't looked too bad overall. A lot to improve, yes, but optimistic. Its up to Mourinho now to move the right pieces.
 
The thing people are missing on the touch: it doesn't matter. The foul would have been for dangerous play - which it blatantly is - and touching the ball has no bearing on that whatsoever. Exactly the same as the tackle that broke Shaw's leg: if the ref followed the rules that has to be a red card for endangering an opponent. It doesn't matter if you get the ball. It is soft, but it's literally the laws of the game, football has changed from the 90s.

Rooney could have probably gotten to it first, but then his foot would have been planted and Bravo would have broken his shinbone in two. That's the reason the rule is written that way.

Clattenberg bottled. Fine. We deserved nothing from our sh*t first half imo.
 
Penalty for me. Reckless, studs up, puts his entire body into the challenge, and while he hits the ball first, he completely catches Rooney afterwards.

This was a really big call that potentially changed the entire game. 2-2 with 35 minutes to go would have been ideal for us. Mourinho was definitely playing to get that early goal in the second half to deny City a chance to go on the defensive. We were excellent in those first 10-15 minutes, which is why Pep made that defensive substitution.
 
Just got back from the game - this looked a clear pen, totally wreckless and having seen the replay I cannot believe he didn't give it!

Officials were very poor today, Clattenburg really affected the game.

Not seen their second goal but was he offside when he put it in? Certainly looked that way live!
 
DeafMUFC said:
Just got back from the game - this looked a clear pen, totally wreckless and having seen the replay I cannot believe he didn't give it!

Officials were very poor today, Clattenburg really affected the game.

Not seen their second goal but was he offside when he put it in? Certainly looked that way live!
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Sadly no, Blind played him on, another flop by him today.
 
When you watch the replay you can see how sick Bravo is feeling just seconds after he's done it. He knows damn well that's a red card.

To me this was one of the worst performances I've seen from a referee team. It would be really funny to make a compilation of the "elbow" given by Fellaini and that karate kick from Bravo. I just don't get it - whenever you see a player go in that way with the boot you know it's a certain red card. How he escapes with nothing needs an explanation. Get the man out in the light and make him talk. Just what the hell is he doing? The game should have been minimum 2-2 with us chasing a winner. Total fraud.
 
DeafMUFC said:
Just got back from the game - this looked a clear pen, totally wreckless and having seen the replay I cannot believe he didn't give it!

Officials were very poor today, Clattenburg really affected the game.

Not seen their second goal but was he offside when he put it in? Certainly looked that way live!
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You can thank Blind for ball watching. He played Nacho onside for the second goal.
 
Joe Hart couldn't be worse with his feet than Bravo is. He will certainly cost City points over the course of the season.
 
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