Bravo's challenge on Rooney.

[Red1968]

Please, no one wins or loses a title race in September. This match was easy too over hyped just as it is for an early season game.

When City crushed us 6-1 in 2011 in October it proved to be THE decisive result that gave them the title. Sure that's October but losing to your assured rival for the title when it should have been a tie or better costs you whenever it is. I don't think its at all exaggerated to worry about the importance of this loss to the final picture. Make no mistake, Clattenberg's bottle job on 2 key calls cost us the game.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

I'm probably subjective, but that horrendous elbow wasn't really that bad.

How in any way shape or form was that ever a foul or a yellow card, I don't think we'll ever know. Clattenburg really loved the colossal overractions from every city player over nothing and was throwing out cards like confetti for absolutely nothing.

 

[Snow]

How in any way shape or form was that ever a foul or a yellow card, I don't think we'll ever know. Clattenburg really loved the colossal overractions from every city player over nothing and was throwing out cards like confetti for absolutely nothing.

Probably not an overreaction on Kolarov's part seeing that he lost a tooth.

 

[GwilDor]

Probably not an overreaction on Kolarov's part seeing that he lost a tooth.

Probably has nothing to do with that, seeing that the tooth was lost when his tooth and Fellainis foot hit eachother following a duel after 94:15. Have a look at it, it is quite innocent really.

Funny how you immediately assume that it was the result of that rather innocent incident where Kolarov ran into Fellaini. i guess his reputation (deservedly, i admit) precedes him...

 

[Snow]

Probably has nothing to do with that, seeing that the tooth was lost when his tooth and Fellainis foot hit eachother following a duel after 94:15. Have a look at it, it is quite innocent really.

Funny how you immediately assume that it was the result of that rather innocent incident where Kolarov ran into Fellaini. i guess his reputation (deservedly, i admit) precedes him...

You say it's funny that I assume that the tooth went out after Fellaini's elbow or arm made contact with Kolarov's face in an innocent challenge yet you also say that the challenge that actually knocked out the tooth was innocent.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

100% penalty and maybe a sent-off for me........even all of my City mates are thinking the same.

 

[Mockney]

It's a foul, and at least a booking in the outfield 90% of the time, but it's also the kind of thing keepers routinely get away with. And with reason.

A keeper should only be sent off if he brings a player down cynically, or with an otherwise clear cut chance of scoring. If Rooney had knocked it passed him, then there'd be an argument. But a clumsy coming together, however much of a foul on the half way line, shouldn't be a red in the box unless the striker was denied an obvious advantage. Or taken out in full Kung Fu Cantona style...

Bravo was clumsy, but not malicious. It was far less of a shout than the Rashford call at the Etihad last season, at any rate.

 

[WyoManU]

is there really this much discussion about this? Rooney pulled out and flattened out his foot. Bravo went in studs up full bore. Red card and 3 match ban without Hart. Simple as.

 

[Wooly Red]

With the new guidelines in mind, I'm not sure it's a red. But I'd say it's a penalty.

 

[berbatrick]

It's a foul, and at least a booking in the outfield 90% of the time, but it's also the kind of thing keepers routinely get away with. And with reason.

A keeper should only be sent off if he brings a player down cynically, or with an otherwise clear cut chance of scoring. If Rooney had knocked it passed him, then there'd be an argument. But a clumsy coming together, however much of a foul on the half way line, shouldn't be a red in the box unless the striker was denied an obviously advantage, IMO. Or taken out in full Kung Fu Cantona style...

Bravo was clumsy, but not malicious. It was far less of a shout than the Rashford call at the Etihad last season, at any rate.

I think it's a red for pure recklessness.
He could've been killed.
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[Frank Grimes]

It's not a red( I hate that red and penalty for most decisions) but it should have been a penalty. I actually think Otamendi's handball was a more obvious decision though, as he clearly put his arm behind his back to stop a cross, but the useless officials missed that one too.
Having said that, city deserved their win today so I don't feel we were robbed.

 

[legball]

It's a clear penalty.

 

[JustinC00]

Just have to laugh at the people that are claiming it's not a foul because "he got the ball". Lunging in studs up is a foul no matter if you get the ball or not. Anyone who disagrees is saying that Fellaini shouldn't be whistled for a foul if he happens to elbow someone on a 50/50 header as long as he gets the ball.

 

[JustinC00]

I think it's a red for pure recklessness.
He could've been killed.

Definitely could have been a Luke Shaw situation if Rooney was standing up with his leg planted.

 

[WyoManU]

To be fair, that tackle could've broke a leg easily. Not sure how it can be interpreted any other way.

 

[berbatrick]

Yes, I agree about that. I'd just randomly remembered Ferguson's line about RvP.

 

[J-Stander]

Clear penalty. Clattenburg was too busy looking after his hair piece than sorting out the game.

 

[Maccaa]

Thought it was a proper old school 50:50 myself. Both players went for the ball thats how it should be really but we all know football is basically a no contact sport these days. I'm going off this sport more and more by the week.

 

[WyoManU]

Thought it was a proper old school 50:50 myself. Both players went for the ball thats how it should be really but we all know football is basically a no contact sport these days. I'm going off this sport more and more by the week.

You are sorta right, because it was close. The big difference in the modern game is that Rooney pulled his foot out and flat and Bravo kept studs straight up. Leg breaker and nasty. And I don't even care for Rooney.

 

[John_K]

I honestly don't believe it was a foul. Bravo wins the ball cleanly with one foot, he lunged in but by the time he reaches Rooney his leg/foot is in a normal slide tackling position.

By your own description "he lunged in..."

Any player who "lunges" at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Yet you say you don't think it was a foul, well according to the rules and your own description it's not only a foul but also a red card!

 

[NinjaZombie]

Thought it was a proper old school 50:50 myself. Both players went for the ball thats how it should be really but we all know football is basically a no contact sport these days. I'm going off this sport more and more by the week.

Yeah. Personally I think it wasn't much, but with the rules in mind, it should've been a penalty and a red.

 

[POF]

Whatever the rules say, how many times has a penalty been given when the keeper wins the ball that clearly? Clattenberg is a terrible ref and United were desperate for a break to get the equaliser as it would have completely changed the game but it's hard to argue that was a howler.

If De Gea did that at the other end and a penalty was given (let alone a red card), I'd slate Clattenberg for it.

 

[worcesterred]

Whatever the rules say, how many times has a penalty been given when the keeper wins the ball that clearly? Clattenberg is a terrible ref and United were desperate for a break to get the equaliser as it would have completely changed the game but it's hard to argue that was a howler.

If De Gea did that at the other end and a penalty was given (let alone a red card), I'd slate Clattenberg for it.

I wouldn't, I'd be annoyed at DDG for being so reckless.

 

[Stretford End Phil]

Its the inconsistency of referees already at this stage of the season, which shows its going to be another hit or miss season regarding penalties. Ref's often get so caught up in the action they actually miss decisions in front of them. Frenetic games like yesterday need the use of TV to at least bring a 'second look' at decisions and in effect stop sides from getting away with serious fouls.

 

[Polite Poster]

You guys do know that there was also a clear pen at the other end not given right ?

Oh and Rooneys immunity to Yellow cards meaning he should have already been taking a shower when the Bravo incident occurred.

Clattenburg made bad calls for both sides.

 

[sebsheep]

You guys do know that there was also a clear pen at the other end not given right ?

Oh and Rooneys immunity to Yellow cards meaning he should have already been taking a shower when the Bravo incident occurred.

Clattenburg made bad calls for both sides.

Yeah.....no
Rooney should've been booked before that, not sent off. Fellaini booking was a joke, Otamendi escaping punishment for the way he went in on Valencia was pretty ridiculous as well.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Clear penalty and red card.

On the plus side it does mean Bravo isn't suspended for their next 3 games.

Teams will have taken note of that horror show from him and will be on the training pitch all week working on ways to capitalise.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Even if you could argue it wasn't a red card, which the rules say it should be, at best it was a foul & he would have been booked, so would have had a penalty. I don't think Bravo did it deliberately, but was slow & trying to make up for the error he had made. It was still a foul though, even if not malicious.

 

[Crimson King]

It was an out of control lunge, whether he got the ball or not, and could have snapped Rooney's leg in half.

It's exactly the kind of thing they've been coming down on the last few years, and I can't believe Clattenburg missed it.

 

[Polite Poster]

Yeah.....no
Rooney should've been booked before that, not sent off. Fellaini booking was a joke, Otamendi escaping punishment for the way he went in on Valencia was pretty ridiculous as well.

The penalty incident I'm talking about is from City's corner routine in the second half - Bailley (sp?) goes straight through Oatamendi from behind with both feet clearing out his standing foot as he is shooting. I'd post the video but I'm on my phone.

 

[Kraftwerker]

The penalty incident I'm talking about is from City's corner routine in the second half - Bailley (sp?) goes straight through Oatamendi from behind with both feet clearing out his standing foot as he is shooting. I'd post the video but I'm on my phone.

Meh, he'd already taken his shot. That happens all the time.

City players didn't even appeal. Commentators didn't call it.

 

[Trizy]

Clattenburg is an absolute cnut that's why.

Stone wall red, two footed, studs up, jumping off the ground/over the ball. It ticks every fecking box for a red card.

 

[Verminator]

Would have been interesting to see if Rooney went into the challenge like Bravo what decision would have been given, especially if the ball went in the net

This

He not only went in studs up, he jumped into it.
Leaving the ground in such a tackle is a red card, all day long.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

how that is not a straight red card, I will never ever ever ever ever know.

Can you remember a game clatenburg was in charge where he did not make at least one howler? He always let's our oppo get the calls. Fellaini wins the ball cleanly with his back to the challenge and yet he gets booked.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Otamendi was in hellish pain, for 2.7 seconds though. Then Bailly tried to help him up, and the pain of that touch resurfaced.

Rooney supposed to get a yellow for this?


And Bailly-Otamendi incident.

 

[SirScholes]

I'd like to see it from third angle, but watching these gifs I see it as a 50/50 with no excessive force used in it. Bravo goes in fairly slowly, his legs are bent, studs not aimed in general direction of the ball, but in a sweeping move. It reminds me of that challenge made by Evans against Bolton some years back of which that American player came badly injured. Bravo catches Rooney in the shin but so are typical results of 50/50's.

We lost because of the donkey's 4-4-2 with dumb personel choices, not of ref's mistake.

Edit: The view from direction of a corner flag is good enough. Rooney and Bravo go for the ball almost simultaneously. They cover same distance with same speed. Rooney caught the ball first but then straight away Bravo intercepts it in very clean way. It's just after that when he randomly catches Rooney's left ankle (he went for the ball with his right foot). Then Wayne does the same thing as usual - he exaggerates. For me it's not a PK.

Just because you win the ball doesnt mean it isnt a foul!!! why is souness who hates united standing up and saying its a penalty? his studs go into rooneys shin, that is not a result of 50/50 thats a result of a dangerous tackle being made, he jumps into the tackle studs showing...red

 

[ZDwyr]

Clear penalty IMO. And a red card. Clattenburg had a poor game. The Fellaini 'elbow' was never a yellow, and if he saw fit that it was then De Bruyne (I think?) should have got one a few minutes later for getting Herrera in the face.

 

[Raees]

Should have been a red as it is a reckless challenge but at first glance it looked a 50/50.

I don't blame the ref as it is only the angle which vangaalera posted where you can properly tell it's a red card offence.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

Probably not an overreaction on Kolarov's part seeing that he lost a tooth.

There is no way his tooth came out in that challenge. That was barely a connection, if it did then he is insane for ignoring medical advice to come off immediately and get it treated, blood would have been all over him if he continued straight away. I comprehensively doubt that happened in that incident.

 

[Adisa]

Clattenburg thinks he's a celebrity.
He hired a management company ffs. Referees have to be made accountable.