Fair enough if you feel that way. I don't. I didn't think we were some righteous nation because we voted in a black guy and I don't think we're scum because we voted in Trump.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I stand corrected.
That's the liberal media painting the picture of a President elect and of America. Why? Because it creates revenue for the media.
Huffington Post is not quality "journalism", it's more of a mix of blog, opinion and re-hashed news.
Huffington Post is not quality "journalism", it's more of a mix of blog, opinion and re-hashed news.
Unfortunately that's the exact reason he was voted in. He has not stated any of his plans other than repeat that he would make "America great again"
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I think he was knackered and d-mob and abit overwhelmed. I dont believe he was being genuine in his remarks.Is it just me or did the Don seem humbled and possibly even overwhelmed during his acceptance speech?
I hope to dog that this points to him dropping the act and moving to the center... or ideally, to the left(a man can dream!)
Well have to wait for his inauguration speech before we get any indications on what he will do.
Don't want to sound racist myself, but let me make this clearer for you. Only reason Trump won was because he managed to mobilize the white people to come out and vote for him. The white population far exceeds all the other minorities together. He managed to get them to come out and vote because he said he would ban Muslims from coming into the U.S and build a wall along the Mexican border. I saw this coming months ago, and yes I do understand what the polls are. Other than Trump supporters, everyone else including all the polls thought it was a foregone conclusion that Hilary would be the next president.
His rhetoric is/does reflect that of bigotry, racism, misogyny, and sexism. And it appealed to many Americans (white American's to be more specific, who are 70% of voting population in U.S.) because Trump was about fear and law and order...1) bigotry or intolerance of others is present, always, but majority are able to hold it within in public...not this election. 2) Trump hit hard about protecting American rights, keeping America safe from non-Americans and terrorists. 3) White male voters sided with Trump. He was never going to win the woman vote, so that was no surprise. But his team focused on undecided, women votes in battleground states. It did the trick.
Theres a big difference in voting in someone like trump and what he has spent his time promoting. On a very simple level watch the video I posted above. What do you realistically say to your kids?
If your a racist/ bigot and sexist you can become president?
Definitely. I'm speculating on sparse evidence, for sure.
Absolutely. That's the exact reason why he is in the White house now. People are trying to find other excuses, but it simply came down to what you just stated.
But millions of voters who voted for Obama didn't vote at all or didn't vote for her, most didn't vote. Neither candidate resonated or swung to them so both lost out. Clinton lost millions of votes that traditionally went Dem. White rural and suburban vote was always going to Trump.
In an interview on CNN in 1999, Trump said:Is it just me or did the Don seem humbled and possibly even overwhelmed during his acceptance speech?
I hope to dog that this points to him dropping the act and moving to the center... or ideally, to the left
In a different interview the same year he said he had a liberal view on health care, liked the notion of universal health care, and while he hated abortion he was pro-choice. So yeah, he can definitely move to the center, and said a lot of things to get votes.
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I'm bored and annoyed so I just did this...
Just for a quick numerical look at which areas are going which way, both in terms of where Clinton managed to hold onto Obama voters and where they haemorrhaged. As I said, bored.
-------------2008----2012----2016 Trend
Alaska --- +22 --- +14 ----- +15 Dem +7 (Palin)
Arizona ---- +9 ----- +8 ----- +4 Dem +5 (McCain)
California - +24 --- +23 ---- +28 Dem +4
Delaware - +25 --- +19 ---- +11 GOP +14 (Biden)
DC --------- +86 --- +83 --- +89 Dem +3
Georgia --- +5 ----- +8 ----- +6 GOP + 1
Hawaii ---- +45 --- +43 ---- +32 GOP +11 (Obama)
Idaho ----- +35 --- +32 ---- +32 DEM +3 (McMuffin)
Illinois ---- +35 --- +17 ---- +16 GOP +19 (Obama)
Indiana ------ 0 --- +10 ---- +19 GOP +19 ***(Pence)
Iowa ------- +9 ---- +6 ----- +9 GOP +18
Kentucky -- +16 -- +23 ---- +30 GOP +14
Louisiana -- +19 -- +17 ---- +20 GOP + 1
Maine ------ +17 -- +15 ----- +3 GOP +14
Maryland -- +25 -- +26 ---- +25 =
Mass. ------ +26 -- +23 ---- +27 Dem + 1
Michigan --- +16 -- +10 ------ 0 GOP +16
Missouri ------ 0 ---- +8 --- +19 GOP +19
Montana ---- +2 --- +14 --- +22 GOP +20 ***
Nebraska -- +15 --- +19 -- +26 GOP +11
Nevada ---- +13 ---- +6 ---- +2 GOP +11
New Hamp.- +10 ---- +5 ----- 0 GOP +10
N. Dakota --- +9 --- +20 -- +36 GOP +27 ***
Ohio --------- +5 ---- +3 ---- +9 GOP +14
Penn. ------- +10 ---- +5 --- + 1 GOP +11
Rhode Island +27 -- +27 --- +15 GOP +12
S. Dakota --- +8 --- +18 --- +30 GOP +22 ***
Tennessee -- +15 -- +20 --- +26 GOP +11
Texas ------- +12 -- +16 --- +9 Dem +3
Utah -------- +38 -- +48 -- +17 Dem +21 (McMuffin)
Virginia ------ +6 --- +4 --- +5 GOP + 1
Washington - +17 -- +15 -- +17 =
W. Virginia -- +13 - +27 -- +42 GOP +29 (!!!!)
Wisconsin --- +14 -- +7 --- + 1 GOP +15
Wyoming ---- +32 - +41 -- +48 GOP +16
National ------ +7 ---- +4 -- + 1 GOP +6
*** = 2008 a one-off year so trend inflated, but still very large.
Names in brackets are candidates who had a home state advantage or a large effect on the vote, potentially affecting the overall trend. Italicised lines are areas where the trend is significantly more Dem leaning than the overall national picture, the rest are much more GOP leaning than nationally. The California trend alone is probably responsible for the popular vote win. Apologies for general lameness of the formatting.
Alaska --- +22 --- +14 ----- +15 Dem +7 (Palin)
Arizona ---- +9 ----- +8 ----- +4 Dem +5 (McCain)
California - +24 --- +23 ---- +28 Dem +4
Delaware - +25 --- +19 ---- +11 GOP +14 (Biden)
DC --------- +86 --- +83 --- +89 Dem +3
Georgia --- +5 ----- +8 ----- +6 GOP + 1
Hawaii ---- +45 --- +43 ---- +32 GOP +11 (Obama)
Idaho ----- +35 --- +32 ---- +32 DEM +3 (McMuffin)
Illinois ---- +35 --- +17 ---- +16 GOP +19 (Obama)
Indiana ------ 0 --- +10 ---- +19 GOP +19 ***(Pence)
Iowa ------- +9 ---- +6 ----- +9 GOP +18
Kentucky -- +16 -- +23 ---- +30 GOP +14
Louisiana -- +19 -- +17 ---- +20 GOP + 1
Maine ------ +17 -- +15 ----- +3 GOP +14
Maryland -- +25 -- +26 ---- +25 =
Mass. ------ +26 -- +23 ---- +27 Dem + 1
Michigan --- +16 -- +10 ------ 0 GOP +16
Missouri ------ 0 ---- +8 --- +19 GOP +19
Montana ---- +2 --- +14 --- +22 GOP +20 ***
Nebraska -- +15 --- +19 -- +26 GOP +11
Nevada ---- +13 ---- +6 ---- +2 GOP +11
New Hamp.- +10 ---- +5 ----- 0 GOP +10
N. Dakota --- +9 --- +20 -- +36 GOP +27 ***
Ohio --------- +5 ---- +3 ---- +9 GOP +14
Penn. ------- +10 ---- +5 --- + 1 GOP +11
Rhode Island +27 -- +27 --- +15 GOP +12
S. Dakota --- +8 --- +18 --- +30 GOP +22 ***
Tennessee -- +15 -- +20 --- +26 GOP +11
Texas ------- +12 -- +16 --- +9 Dem +3
Utah -------- +38 -- +48 -- +17 Dem +21 (McMuffin)
Virginia ------ +6 --- +4 --- +5 GOP + 1
Washington - +17 -- +15 -- +17 =
W. Virginia -- +13 - +27 -- +42 GOP +29 (!!!!)
Wisconsin --- +14 -- +7 --- + 1 GOP +15
Wyoming ---- +32 - +41 -- +48 GOP +16
National ------ +7 ---- +4 -- + 1 GOP +6
*** = 2008 a one-off year so trend inflated, but still very large.
Names in brackets are candidates who had a home state advantage or a large effect on the vote, potentially affecting the overall trend. Italicised lines are areas where the trend is significantly more Dem leaning than the overall national picture, the rest are much more GOP leaning than nationally. The California trend alone is probably responsible for the popular vote win. Apologies for general lameness of the formatting.
Just for a quick numerical look at which areas are going which way, both in terms of where Clinton managed to hold onto Obama voters and where they haemorrhaged. As I said, bored.
Honestly, i don't really think he has fully understood what he has gotten himself into here. He was born into extreme wealth and has had everything in life laid out to him on a platter. Hes been the CEO and owner of his own company and hasn't had to answer to anyone his whole adult life.
Not only does he seemingly lack the moral compass and political nous to be president, but i think he lacks the fortitude as well.
Just look at his campaign, the second he felt threatened or anyone spoke out against him, he became indignant and responded by throwing his toys out the pram. Well, now hes president and being (often unfairly) scrutinized and criticized is kinda in the job description
Don't want to keep repeating what I have already said in this thread. There is a reason why Obama was elected right after the mess that Bush junior created and why he won against Romney (even though someone else was throwing up random numbers at me)
Pioneers meaning genocidal land grabbers. I mean hey at least the Mexican immigrants didn't murder a bucket load of natives.
Likability, warmth, the common touch wouldn't go amiss either- all qualities that are difficult to define but eminently noticeable when absent. It's ain't difficult to spot the odd-one-out in this list:
Al Gore
John Kerry
Barack Obama
Hillary Cilnton
At least one guy isn't doing the "it's all fine" "let's all get behind Trump" stuff
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Has anyone read Donald Trump's "contract"?
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
That's great.
To be honest - and I feel dirty saying this, a few of those promises I wouldn't entirely disagree with, particularly those involving trade and lobbying. He just ruins it with bizarre shit like provoking the Chinese and cancelling any global warming initiatives.
He's not Satan incarnate, and he's not going to ruin the world. A pity a candidate who will mostly be on a leash held by the GOP in terms of policy has to believe in ridiculous shite like global warming being a hoax. There's a couple of decent positions on his site.
Any names at the forefront? Newsom gets mentioned but I don't know much about him and he's just a lieutenant Governor. Kamala Harris?
Probably my biggest worry. Global warming's already a massive, massive problem, and having the world's biggest power controlled completely by people who don't believe in it or don't think it's their responsibility to take action is heartbreaking tbh.
Good. Can't help but feel he'd have given Trump a better run for his money in the end - even if he'd lost he'd have carried all the Dem safe states anyway, and his promise of change would've resonated more with some Trump fans than what was in hindsight a dull campaign from Hilary that relied on the other guy being awful. Been done to death, and I did get behind Hilary once it was clear she was the main choice, but still...
It's the worlds biggest problem IMO. The number one reason I'm against Trump. I don't buy into any of the racist/sexist/xenophobe/Islamophobe shit-flinging, I don't think he's some fascist dictator, I don't think his relationship with Putin is going to be anywhere near as big a problem as the media are making out, but his desire to dismantle the EPA really really worries me.
Hope the movement doesn't collapse. We desperately need it to resurface in 2020.
The world is at the frontier of common sense.
Very much so. It's been a major problem for a while now, and the fact we're even still debating this in 2016 is embarrassing.
No, but their Spanish ancestors did. They managed to wipe out the vast majority of the native population, in the areas they foraged and settled, long before Anglo settlers reached those places.
I think most scientists today agree that it is basically irreversible now. Question is, how fast it will come.
Yeah I knew someone was going to mention that.
I was referring to contemporary immigrants, not the European conquistadors.
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There are multiple reasons, actually. The biggest one in my eyes was this one, though:
While his actual work as president is certainly more debateble and controversial, there is no doubt that Barack Obama was extremely good at campaigning. He had the necessary charisma, likeability, story and especially the rhetoric ability (speeches with substance, but not overcomplicated) to mobilise masses (especially the minorities) to follow and vote for him.
IMO this race was not so much won by Trump, but lost by Clinton. For that I only need to look at one statisitc, which is total votes in favour of the candidates.
Donald Trump will be walking into the oval office while having less total votes in his favour than McClane 2008 and Romney 2012.
The divide of the democratic party and votership and the poor way Clinton came across for many people (cold, calculating, untrustworthy) lead to many people either voting for a third party candidate or not turning up altogether. This loss of votes turned out to be critical for her.
Put Obama in Clinton´s place and the vote ends in a landslide in the other direction.
He'll be 79, there's surely no way.
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