The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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You know what the Tea Party did to the republican establishment, right?
If Trump really wants to do something - and he stays stubborn - he'll get his way. The republicans in congress will cave to him, or he'll set their political futures on fire
Warren Buffet isn't, but I bet he knows feck all about being in office
You know what the Tea Party did to the republican establishment, right?
If Trump really wants to do something - and he stays stubborn - he'll get his way. The republicans in congress will cave to him, or he'll set their political futures on fire
I would have thought it would be very tempting for them to let him trip up
What's there to know about being in office that you definitely need political experience for?
I guess you would have to know how the system works for starters. How to do what. There's a lot more to it than you might think.
Yeah, after all said and done I doubt much tragedy will come from Trump personally. The bad thing for Democrat Americans is that there is now a republican president in office with a republican congress. A lot of social progress will be curbed back. That would still be the case with someone like Bush or Rubio, and probably still not as bad as it would be with someone like Cruz.
I think the worst side-effect of Trump victory - and in no way negligible - will be legitimisation of intolerant views across the country and the world. They now know they're not in the minority, they will scream harder. And that's not a problem specific to the US, just reading my facebook feed today I've found a whole lot of closeted racists coming out. People who I knew little about are exposing some quite concerning views (even if most are relatively subtle), whereas so far they only posted about football and fake-science bullshit. For those few Americans who are still perplexed about why do we care so much about their elections here lies the answer, American is still the major cultural and mediatic influence in the world. And it will remain so.
No doubt but it's hardly something you need political experience for IMO, his advisors will get him up to speed. Clinton's political experience didn't help her in winning the election.
How can she have lost? After all, there were tons of posts on the betting markets last night.
In 2014 America spent 17.5% of National Income on health care, a rise of 4% from the already high 13% in 1995. This is much more than the typical figure in other developed countries - Britain, for instance, spends 9%.
What America needed was a way of controlling healthcare costs - a properly structured market - so that competition ensured a medical degree didn't automatically confer millionaire status. Instead, Obamacare, with its vast medical bureaucracy, made things worse, increasing access at the cost of an even greater burden on the taxpayer. But that's all right, isn't it? The taxpayer is just some nameless cow that can be milked forever.
The system is wasteful. With freedom of choice, and in a functional market, Americans wouldn't spend nearly 1 dollar out of every 5 they earned on their health. They'd spend more of their money on other things they need and enjoy. Obamacare gave them no choice.
The betting market just like the pre-election polls did a shit job at taking into account silent voters.
I can tell you this coming from my son in high school. 18 yr old first time voters went for Trump whilst my daughter in college all went Dem. The 18 yr olds had no knowledge of Trumps plans nor any of his policies. Granted it's a mostly white surburban school but they all wanted Trump never the less.
Both kids blame my generation for being ignorant, racist, and generally assholes who want the US to return to the 1950s and pleasantville.
I agree
Both kids blame my generation for being ignorant, racist, and generally assholes who want the US to return to the 1950s and pleasantville.
I agree
He has said and done many problematic things in his past, but he will also be forced to tone it down. Sad times for America though, it's his unpredictable nature that is most worrying. Genuinely not sure what he's about politically.
Not convinced he's as incompetent as he has been made out, but equally given he's a maverick, who the feck knows.
Not convinced he's as incompetent as he has been made out, but equally given he's a maverick, who the feck knows.
I'm not even bothering, you're a waste of time.
Good points. I'm sure he'll delegate a lot of policy making. Presidents have almost always been not much more than actors reading scripts made by the establishment. We have to see whether he really creates a non-establishment team or like Obama goes ahead and fills it with Wall St. stooges. I don't believe much of what any politician says to be elected so we have to see the real Trump in his appointing his administration.
...that got grabbed, bigly.
Are you saying you don't need political experience to run office? Isn't that a slightly bizarre thing to claim?
But those other developed countries, specifically Britain, don't have the properly structured market you advocate.
That's how I see it, so I guess he'll need lots & lots of allies from the same system he's spent the last year kicking, in order to create an effective office.
Once again I'll ask, what do you think Trump will have problems with because of a lack of political experience? He probably knows how the system works and like I said will have advisors who'll get him up to speed.
Spor on! THIS is the main reason this election was significant. As you say, not much will change for the average citizen whether it's Bush, Clinton or Trump. They all have to toe the line set by the people who actually rule the country. The issue is now we officially live in a world where all the social progress that has been is nowhere near as significant as many thought.
Conservatives on the Supreme Court.
Does he know what the procedure is to pass a law I wonder? When he is obliged to do what? I guess he'll need experienced advisors to support him far far more than most politicians would.
As long as his advisors aren't Newt G and Christie. Thats what worries me
Trump is smart and sly. He's a billionaire and while he had to anger many to get to the top, he's savvy to get what he wants. He'll position smart people around him, but those people will have multiple agendas, including their own. See Dick Cheney and George Jr.
I'm not a buff in Healthcare Economics, but it's well known the US still spends a lot more than other developed countries in it. Simply, they get less bang for their buck, irrespective if that buck comes from the government or directly from the people's purses.
I suspect it being a profit-driven industry is the biggest reason for it. Also there's that middle-man in the form of insurance companies who take a great slice from it. Doctors costs with their own civil responsibility insurances in an extremely litigative culture also drives cost ups.
In the end, in terms of indicators like vaccination coverage, child mortality rate, and access to the primary healthcare, USA stats are laughable in comparison with the rest of the developed world. Not to mention the number of people who just can't touch the system at all.
It worries me that in some countries in Europe it seems we're actually on a lobby-driven transition to an Americanized system. Globalization at it's worst. In Portugal, health insurance seems everywhere these days, private hospitals as well. We don't need them at all, but they'll force themselves into the market and shift policies their way, it's plain to see. And fecking scary.
Er...he appears to have out manoeuvred Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic Party.
He might have problems understanding that being President of the US is not like running your own company. People can and will tell you NO and you don't get to say "You'll do it because I am the boss!"
Same thing with other world leaders, they are not going to be impressed by anything he has done or said, so they are not just going to roll over for him.
Debatable. I'd bet he was surprised by his own victory.
Anyone would be as the media coverage was firmly against him. The result will have vindicated their strategy.
Not sure about that. He will expect Republican Congress and Senate to toe the line. I can also see him try to bully foreign countries. US after all is the country with most leverage on the world stage. Nothing in Trump's candidacy so far would have taught him to compromise on any issue.
Tough test ahead for American diplomats.
"a superstar is something you'd want from a chief of staff. In addition to Priebus, NBC News has reported some of the other names on Trump's short list for his Cabinet. There were three insiders who told the channel that some well-known names would join Trump in D.C. They are Rudy Giuliani as potential attorney general, Newt Gingrich possibly for secretary of state, and retired Lt. Gen Michael Flynn potentially for national security adviser or defense secretary."
Sounds like an experienced establishment team to me. The anti-establishment thing is probably just to get him into office and beat Clinton.
On her way out? There is no way anyone else wins the elections 2017. And I'm saying that as a social democrat. And how on earth is she to blame for Trump?
By allowing a couple milion refugees in to Germany she spooked the American public and Trump was able to tap into that fear about the need for secure borders. Whether it was a legimate fear or not, does not matter, the fear was still there.
I think actually you are agreeing with me.
... in the eyes of an electorate who wanted to make a protest vote.
If Trump goes up against a competent world leader, the result won't be decided by hoi polloi who mostly care about who's most entertaining or loud. Success will be measured by a different metric - a metric which has a lot more in common with the one that led to him being declared bankrupt 4 times.
I await the US Embassy being moved to Jerusalem - not a consulate. But, moving the actual Embassy there.
Well for all her political experience Clinton bizarrely neglected the Rust-Belt so it's not like she has shown to be more clever than Trump.
Yes but I don't believe he is going to face a reality check any time soon. Domestically he will get a free ride for a while. Europe with all the brexit troubles can't alienate US in any manner.
The big tests will be Mexico and China, especially the latter.
Wrong, some of his businesses were declared bankrupt, not Trump himself. And no, it's not the same.
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