Zlatan shoulder tackle

[Jacko21]

Hmm, it was cynical.

Watch it back - there is no reason for Zlatan to follow through with such force (and leading with his shoulder) given that the ball had already been headed clear.

Whilst I don't consider it worthy of a red card, Zlatan knew exactly what he was doing.

It was excessive.

 

[Charlie Foley]

He would have got there on time if he wasn't being held by the first defender.

I think a yellow is probably fair because it's late but not a red for me

 

[Shane88]

It's great having a forward capable of smashing defenders.

 

[Yorkeontop]

Surprised if he gets away with that. Nowhere near challenging for the ball.

 

[Attila]

Surprised if he gets away with that. Nowhere near challenging for the ball.

Do you mean retrospective action by the FA? They won't do that as the ref saw it and gave him a yellow

 

[Kill 'em all]

Are some of you really complaining just because one of our players shows some passion in the game? If that's a red card then football would become a no contact sport. It's just a shoulder charge, nothing more. 20 years ago that would probably not have even been a yellow.

 

[MarchingOn]

Save that sort of thing for John Stones or whoever the hell Liverpool has at CB

 

[Steven Seagull]

Nothing challenge unless you're a little weakling gimp

 

[klayton88]

This needs some RKO out of nowhere treatment.

 

[Manny]

Pulis upset over an opposition player being physical...

 

[djdhrubs]

Hmm, it was cynical.

Watch it back - there is no reason for Zlatan to follow through with such force (and leading with his shoulder) given that the ball had already been headed clear.

Whilst I don't consider it worthy of a red card, Zlatan knew exactly what he was doing.

It was excessive.

I actually agree with the OP. Thought it was red-worthy. At least, more a red than a yellow. He was very late, and smashed him near his neck/ upper body.

Does anyone have a GIF of the Andy Carroll challenge on De Gea during a corner a few years ago? He just barged into him as the ball was swinging in but was nowhere near the ball. Not as blatant as that, but still looked pretty bad.

 

[RedCurry]

It was always going to be a physical game. With that one tackle he made sure no one got near him for rest of the game. Deserved a yellow, got a yellow, gently reminded west brom that there's only going to be one bully on the pitch and he's wearing red.

 

[Jed I. Knight]

I still can't see why one would even debate that it could qualify as a red card challenge.

Rondon slapping Rojo is as clear a red as you'll ever see though, so all in all I think West Bromwich should praise themselves lucky and thank the referee for his support.

 

[sunama]

A shoulder barge should be red?
Well, what about Rojo receiving a slap in the face today (litereally) and then being yellow carded for that? Why was the WBA player not red carded?
Or how about when Rashford was barged off the ball, by a player who wasn't actually going for the ball? Is that a red for the WBA player?
None of these incidents got red and I don't see any of you bringing up any of these incidents.

I remember after the last game, MUFC jumped on the 'Rojo should've been sent off' bandwagon.
So what about the tackle which injured Baily? That was the worst tackle of the match and that is not mentioned? If Rojo should be sent off, then so should the player who injured Baily. Right?

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that some of you were actually rival supporters, who have come on a MUFC board to wind us up.

Nothing challenge unless you're a little weakling gimp

I couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[VeevaVee]

Never a red. Looked he was showing him who's boss and connected a bit better than expected

 

[NinjaZombie]

You could argue it was "excessive force" but every Zlatan force is an excessive force.

Brunt lead in with an elbow on Rashford. Nobody in the media will talk about it.

 

[SouthPredators4]

I think a yellow was the right call. Had he barged in with the slightest elevation of his forearm, i say a red would be deserved. It was rush but i was delighted with the team showing a bit of hardness to a team known for their physicality. It was a shift psychologically in terms of a physical battle between Ibra and the WBA defenders and i applaud him staking his presence.

 

[Martial]

Bored of this troll.

 

[Sylar]

Jenas seems to be the only one ive heard say yellow was fine. Though I do rate Jenas as a pundit overall.

Pulis upset over an opposition player being physical...

Bet he was fine with Brunts challenge.

 

[montpelier]

it's not a clear yes because players don't usually get a red card for them, but definitely a bit naughty, as was Brunts'

nothing between the 2 incidents, yellow for each is fair

it's one of those where if a Utd player does it, we encourage the commitment & refusal to be bullied, if it's Suarez in a Liverpool shirt then he ought to be going straight off, obviously

 

[Jaybomb]

It was a yellow. It would have been a major overreaction if he received a straight red for that.

 

[Minimalist]

'Twas a marvellous challenge. It'll tighten that fella.

 

[Lj82]

Looked a red one first viewing, thought he'd led with elbow. On second (and third) viewing a booking was sufficient.

No idea why he did it either way.

In his first official game for us against Leicester City in the Community Cup he also went in hard on one of the defenders when challenging for a ball in the air, when he actually had no chance to win the ball. I suspect this is his way of roughing up his opponents to let them know he won't be bullied by them.

A yellow is just right.

 

[Snow]

It is borderline red no doubt about it. Anyone who believes it's a red I can understand where they are coming from, it's the higher bracket of dangerous.

There's not enough speed from either player for it to be dangerous. It was never dangerous and he was always going to be late. Textbook yellow. However if he were a keeper it wouldn't even be a foul.

Rashford however might have cracked a rib from that Brunt challenge however as he was at full speed and was stopped on the spot.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

'Twas a marvellous challenge. It'll tighten that fella.

This.It's a contact sport. Didn't we love our Roy for getting stuck in. feck this namby pamby bullshit. Earn the right to play. The Busby babes were hard as nails..Ferguson's teams were hard as nails. Otherwise arsenals team would be at were we are now.

Fight them with fight them beat them when you can. That's why I love Liverpool. They come out with fire. And we come out with fire. If you choke you've lost. If you can't get the better then let them play.

 

[donkeyfish]

No red. Yellow is the correct decision.

Had a similar foul been committed by Sterling or Aaron Lennon, no one would've argued otherwise. I don't think players should be punished just because they're big.

 

[Freak]

I loved it. Show them defenders who's the fecking boss.

 

[prateik]

No one was asking for Brunt to be sent off. Defenders do that all the time. Its written off as "taking one for the team".
Defenders take attackers out all the time and unless its a clear goal scoring opportunity, its always a yellow.. Zlatan took a defender out . Same thing, except in Zlatans case, he didnt stop a WBA attack.
If Brunt, or tackles like that, are yellows, the one by Zlatan has to be less.. Anything more than a yellow would be ridiculous.

That said, if he had used his elbow/arm, it would be serious foul play and wouldve been a red. Jumping into someone off the ball is not a red.

 

[Dargonk]

Yellow was the right call, in the end it is no different to Brunt taking Rashford out later in the game.

 

[The Hacker]

So Chris Brunt should have also been sent off? All he did was look at Rashford, angle his run to him and took him out. Didn't even come close to the ball and he probably denied Rashford a good chance to get the ball into the box.

No difference really?

This isn't rugby where challenges mid air are punished more that those on the ground.

 

[Moby]

He's an absolute bully. And he's in the correct league where fair physicality is not completely taken out of the game like it is in Spain. He'll take full advantage of his frame and defenders already know what they can expect playing against him.

 

[Bobcat]

I fecking loved that. Any team under Pulis are dirty bastards and to have beast like that to rough them up a bit is just fantastic

He fecking destroyed him

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Since when is a shoulder charge a red card?

Exactly.

His elbow was to his side and his eyes were firmly on the ball. It's an absolute non-story.

Rojo definitely should have seen 2 reds recently, but Zlatans challenge was fine imo

 

[Xaviesta]

Yellow feels about right but it was a stupid, unnecessary challenge.

 

[izec]

It wasnt that unnecessary. Aggressiveness is underrated. It just shows i am there and i am not here to play games, but to win. I loved it, was happy that Zlatan showed these cnuts who the man is today.

 

[ice-bionic red]

It was quite bad from Zlatan. I've seen red for less in the past but my main point is that I think the refs are afraid or intimidated by him. There's been a few occasions this season I've seen Zlatan go in late on someone and he gets off quite lightly in general (most of the biggest stars do to be fair).
I remember a Europa league game where he was arguing with a player and Zlatan grabbed the guy by the face and the ref was standing next to him looking at the altercation... any lesser player gets a red for that

 

[superdry]

Zlatan is a marauding beast, he probably eats baby's too.

 

[Acole9]

Nothing wrong with what he did, if you're going to eradicate challenges like that then football would be lost.

 

[moses]

Since when is a shoulder charge a red card?

This new but prevalent idea you can't be sent off for a foul involving your shoulder is nuts. Violent conduct and excessive force can both be red card offences. And both can involve your shoulder. The only place you can really use your shoulder without fear of fouling is when two players are shoulder to shoulder. For me this wasn't quite a red but the idea its beyond discussion is absurd. If it was a red then it wouldn't have Been the harshest I've ever seen.

In real time it looked bad, regardless of what Rojo did last week and what Brunt did later.


Attack the post, not the poster, most of the replies were about Scholesy and not what he said. Anyone outraged by the silliness of the thread should just find another thread to post in.

 

[moses]

Nothing wrong with what he did, if you're going to eradicate challenges like that then football would be lost.

Yep, forget goals, it's all about the fouls.