Holefuy we would be patient with him considering his lengthy injury. Goss and Gribbin to come back and bring some lives to the U23s side.
Sean Goss
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Brilliant. I'm afraid he'd go down the Will Keane route though 
he can still turn into a great player, premier league level, he's too intelligent not to, but he will most certainly not make it at United
He looks very good today surprisingly after a long injury lay off. Hopefully get ready for a loan on Jan and we'll see how he'll take on from there. If a PL side takes him on next summer ala Fletcher or Weir I can see him surprise some people.
I think Carrick had long injuries into his early '20s but still came good. Goss is similar player, maybe he can still make it.
He had them between 16-19. He has basically been playing regular Premier League football since 2000.
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Got a wand of a left foot, hasn't he?
Wish he had a little more time to prove himself, can't see us waiting beyond the summer to bring in a successor to Carrick. Unless of course we try Blind there for a while, that'd be neat. If anything the discussions in the holding midfielder/replacement for carrick threads could do with the boost!
I agree. He's the closest thing to Carrick imo
Just finished watching that video, I never knew how good his passing was. I'm surprised no one has talked about him more.
I hope someone has a word with Jose about him and allow Carrick to help him out. He can be the closest thing to Carrick in this squad if he gets his chance.
Does anyone know how good his defensive contribution is? Is it similair to Carricks?
His passing really is fantastic, this is one player that clearly has talent and one we should be trying to get into the first team.
I hope someone has a word with Jose about him and allow Carrick to help him out. He can be the closest thing to Carrick in this squad if he gets his chance.
Does anyone know how good his defensive contribution is? Is it similair to Carricks?
His passing really is fantastic, this is one player that clearly has talent and one we should be trying to get into the first team.
This guy is class. I hope we don't loose him a la Pogba.
He has to leave on loan asap or just be promoted to the first team instead of some dead wood.
The point is he looks good enough for Premier league football already.
I lost track of him after he got injured but I'm glad he is looking good in his return.
He has to leave on loan asap or just be promoted to the first team instead of some dead wood.
The point is he looks good enough for Premier league football already.
I lost track of him after he got injured but I'm glad he is looking good in his return.
Even if we have a 21-year-old Carrick he wouldn't be given chances by Mourinho so I don't think there's any hope for Goss who's already had multiple setbacks due to injuries.
That's the sad thing
Sometimes you've just got to throw players in at the deep end to truly see their ability. It doesn't happen enough in the top flight.
shame he will not make it here, Mourinho will not give him any time as he's too young and unexperienced, he's basically young carrick, if only he could feature in the next preseason or train with the first team for a while to impress but I guess he's not physically ready for Jose
It looks like im in a minority but i dont think Goss is anywhere near the talent of Carrick. The only thing they have in common is their passing range and physical attributes, Carrick biggest strengths are his defensive game and his decision making in possession of the ball. Goss is pretty average in both of that segments IMO
Not sure if the people are underrating Carrick or overrating Goss though....probably a little bit of both.
Not sure if the people are underrating Carrick or overrating Goss though....probably a little bit of both.
Agreed about Carrick's defensive game, superb and also his discipline.
Those attributes develop only with time and game time. He can be just as good as Carrick in that department, or maybe even better. We cant put a ceiling on such a young player like Sean.
I'm convinced he has the necessary technical attributes. He needs time to develop his mental game, like any other young player around.
Nah, i dont agree.....Carrick was/is a special talent and Goss isnt, simple as that. Someone like Weigl is the same age like Goss and is already xy times a better player then Goss will ever be, we should aim for those talents and not settle with the guys like Goss, Willock etc.
There are some positions you can get away with a player who isnt special in terms of talent(support players(Lingard for example), fullbacks, feck in today's game even CBs would be fine) but for the key roles you need special quality and Carrick position/role is one of those.
Those segments would develop with time i agree but they can only develop as much as natural talent allows them to develop. You can give for example Mark Noble all the right education, game time etc. but he will never turn into Verratti, all players have their limitations.
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This pretty much. Most midfielders around Sean's age won't have that to there game. If Jose got Carrick to put him under his wing, he could possibly hone the defensive side of his game and his decision making. As has already been mentioned on here though, the chances of Goss getting a chance at United look lke they're slim to none unfortunately.
It's much easier to develop young players in Germany or France. Many reasons for this. (league quality, need to develop player for sale, less pressure, etc)
Weigl has already around 4 seasons of professional football over a guy like Goss, and that's a big difference, but until we see Goss playing in the same league, we can't really compare.
This guy Xhaka something from Arsenal... started to play really young for Basel and then in Germany and was believed a star for many... now look at him in England, a joke. Weigl could be the same, same go for Goss.
Its no so simple to judge a player ability. So many ?????.
I hope we send him on loan/gave him a chance before letting him go.
There was a time when Carrick wasn't even rated as much. He is just one of those those sound like players. Gets better with age. Goss has some impressive abilities that would improve with growth and exposure.
I actually agree with you on this one but you have to accept things how they are so those 4 years that Weigl has are a big advantage over someone like Goss who at the same time doesnt have any senior football experience. Even if we disagree about the talents of Goss thats someone neither of us cant neglect.
I dont mind the loan but after a year out on loan(and he wont get a chance with us without one) someone like Gomes will have 17/18 and a special talent like him will be ready to slowly be intergrading into the first team and there is zero chance that a top club(a level that we aspire to get back to) will take a chance with 2 young unproven players, specially after our recent past.
Just because he wasnt rated by some fans doesnt mean he wasnt playing on a high level. Easily the most underrated player we had in last 15 years.
Maybe I'm biased a bit. I want Goss to succeed badly for us, but its true its gonna be difficult because now the club is in need of urgent success and he is not the answer to that. Bad luck, bad timing... a lot confabulate against this kid.
I won't blame Jose if he don't gave him a chance with the first team obviously, but hopefully a nice loan can do him well. Right now its up to him. He needs to grab the bull by the horns.
ps. Even if we let him go, we can always buy him back i guess.
I like Sean Goss, but he is not good enough. I have seen plenty of players totally dominate our midfield in U18 and U21 matches, without being close to having a career anywhere near United-level. And Goss is not even at that level yet
He can make it at a very high level - but there are bigger talents at the club, and we should sell him with a buy-back option.
He can make it at a very high level - but there are bigger talents at the club, and we should sell him with a buy-back option.
Did you get to watch Carrick play at a similar age to be able to come to this conclusion? Do you know what Carrick was like as a player at the same age?
Probably not even though im not sure how old he was at Spurs when i started watching him, my point is that a player can develop only as much as talent allows them....i didnt watch Neymar until he joined Barcelona but i have no problem with saying that Chong and Demi Mitchell(and i love and rate both of them) are nowhere near his talents. Im not saying im right but thats my opinion....
Stumbled into this thread thinking this was about one of the gimps from the band Bros.
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I think Carrick had played about 100 first team games at the same age.
No worries.
Its just I think difficult to make a truely informed comparison when what we are seeing is an 18 year old and comparing him to the finished article.
The reality is that 90% of the time if we say an 21 year old player wont be as good as very very good senior player the odds are in our favour of being right, there is so much to come for a 21 year old that means we dont really know if they are going to make it or not to the levels we think they can, Januzaj right now is one who we thought would be somebody special but we dont know yet if he will get there.
You mention Neymar but in reality that example is of a generational superstar, however his skillset at 18 was something really special. I remember seeing the first footage of him out of Brazil and thinking he had the technique and skill to make it but for the overwhelming majority of time I dont know for sure if they will get there.
Goss will be lucky to have a Premier League career, let alone make it here.
I agree with you but its a forum so if we stop "guessing" the debate will stop and whats the point of having a football forum then. IIRC you are a coach so you probably now better then the rest of us that talent alone is pretty much irrelevant, its only a part of equation and much more important attributes are mentality and attitude. Two things random people(us fans) just cant know so thats why there is so many cases of wasted talents and players that dont make it even though people where 100% they were good enough, and in most cases they werent wrong as talent wise those players probably were good enough. Talent gets value only when you wash out bad apples and when you have confrontation of players that have good mentality and attitude.
Neymar probably wasnt the smartest example but IMO its not that far out, Carrick is/was one of the best defensive midfielders of his generation.
I think he's missed too much time to have a realistic chance of making it here, he's in a similar situation to Rothwell last year and Harrop this year in that you can see how much ability and talent they have but due to their injury problems they're 21 and haven't even had a sustained run of dominating games at under 21 level never mind senior experience. They also have the likes of Fosu-Mensah and Pereira who although different styles of players are both younger and are both ahead in the midfield pecking order along with having far more senior experience. Then there's also the younger players coming up behind them like Hamilton, Buffonge, Whelan, Gomes and Gribbin who have all shown plenty of talent
Trained with first team today.
I'm holding out hope that there's a slim chance that he might make the bench during the boxing day/New Year fixtures if he impresses Mourinho in training. I really want him to get a shot in the 1st team.
Is he going to take Schneiderlins spot in the squad i wonder
There's still Fosu-Mensah, plus "Schneiderlin spot" is not really a spot of late.