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Hell, the running costs will dwarf that if they want to keep it up.Let's get this straight. A two thousand mile wall will cost a lot more then 40 billion.
Hell, the running costs will dwarf that if they want to keep it up.Let's get this straight. A two thousand mile wall will cost a lot more then 40 billion.
@bazalini your input is needed.I have no idea, I'm not an expert.
That's only, as you say, the reputation they've crafted, though. The deficit and debt blew up under all of the last 3 Republican presidents. The Republican party nowadays seems comprised almost entirely of populists without principles, who only care about power. They'll build the wall if it serves them politically, costs be damned.It is a lot when you include the fact that the money in the budget has already been spoken for and there is a massive national debt. Republicans, who have crafted a reputation of less spending and balancing the books (national budget) will not be interested in blowing that much money, especially as its not practical to build a wall over territory where there are rivers, valley, and canyons in the way.
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They aren't fully galvanized behind the wall, mainly because there is no plan to do so. Its merely a fantasy inside Trump's head that he used to draw right wing voters during the election. Just like Obamacare, there is no plan. There are a good number of Republicans who may side with Dems and shoot it down in Congress before it even has a chance to reach his desk.That's only, as you say, the reputation they've crafted, though. The deficit and debt blew up under all of the last 3 Republican presidents. The Republican party nowadays seems comprised almost entirely of populists without principles, who only care about power. They'll build the wall if it serves them politically, costs be damned.
WaPo is one of the worst for this. Any anti-Trump news from them I need corroborated from some other source.I take everything with a pinch of salt these days. Seems to be some ongoing twitter and forum wars about who can be the most "disgusted", "genuinely horrified", "scared" and "seriously worried" these days. All getting a bit tiresome.
Nothing article in the end....
Asked again whether the NHS would be off the table she said: “As regards the NHS, we're very clear as a Government that we're committed to an NHS that is free at the point of use.”
The statement left open the possibility of the greater involvement of US firms in healthcare, as long as people do not have to pay for the services they provide at the moment they are received.
A Number 10 spokesman said later: “The NHS will never be part of a trade deal and will always remain free at the point of delivery.”
You may be right, but I would be surprised. You saw how quickly they all fell in line behind Trump, and how quickly some of them warmed on the appointment of Rex Tillerson. They don't care about being hypocrites, because there is no political cost for them.They aren't fully galvanized behind the wall, mainly because there is no plan to do so. Its merely a fantasy inside Trump's head that he used to draw right wing voters during the election. Just like Obamacare, there is no plan. There are a good number of Republicans who may side with Dems and shoot it down in Congress before it even has a chance to reach his desk.
I doubt the British would stand for anything that threatens the NHS.
That is refreshing to see and hear, and that's the first positive thing I have had to say about May and her Tory Government. I just hope that promise is kept. There would be riots if not.Nothing article in the end....
It's literally what Chomsky predicted would happen with Brexit. Not a good thing either.The fact the UK is leaving the EU has put us in such a shit position that, rather than showing some integrity and distancing ourselves from Trump, May has said she is hoping for "The special relationship" once again.
Is that everyone's idea of an independant "Great Britain"? It just goes to show that we're not big enough or important enough to stand completely on our own and we've left a reasonably good relationship and having to jump into a poisonous one to survive. Grim.
I am led to believe the NHS is untouchable - surefire political suicide.That is refreshing to see and hear, and that's the first positive thing I have had to say about May and her Tory Government. I just hope that promise is kept. There would be riots if not.
Everything included, surely it's at least hundreds of billions.Let's get this straight. A two thousand mile wall will cost a lot more then 40 billion.
Which is why Jeremy Hunt has been doing everything in his power to bring it to it's knees and make it a decision that has to be made rather than could be made. Much like what Gove attempted with Education with a view to move back towards Grammar schools.I am led to believe the NHS is untouchable - surefire political suicide.
If done openly. Slow eroding it, whilst going on about how important it is, is apparently quite doable.I am led to believe the NHS is untouchable - surefire political suicide.
What the feck are you?Let's get this straight. A two thousand mile wall will cost a lot more then 40 billion.
The downturn was severe but brief. By 2009 the US economy had regained its upward momentum and continued to grow consistently, if unspectacularly, for the remainder of Obama's presidency. Ignoring the early dip, for the next seven years the economy grew by about 2.3% per annum. That's still low growth in a period of economic recovery and in the wake of a near trillion dollar fiscal stimulus.The US's GDP growth under FDR didn't turn positive until 1935, the Depression started in 1929. You can't be serious to expect historically strong growth under Obama when he stepped into office with the 2nd most severe economic downturn in their history?
Christ on a bike.
Really? Worse than comparing it to other times and situations?The period of negative growth was brief. By 2009 the American economy had recovered its upward momentum and grew consistently, if unspectacularly, for the rest of Obama's presidency. Ignoring the early dip, the growth rate was about 2.3%. This is still low growth in a period of economic recovery and in the wake of a near trillion dollar fiscal stimulus.
The EU and Japanese basket case economies are a poor comparison. Imo the US economy is better judged against its own historic, pre-globalization performance. The impact of the global market on manufacturing is not denied by anyone. The question is do the figures justify the assertion that the positives outweigh the negatives?
I was making a point about slow growth in the American economy. But not simply in the American economy. The EU and Japan are also affected.Really? Worse than comparing it to other times and situations?
Could it be that you produce yourself your own alternative facts...
Really? That leaves it open to a hell of a lot of interpretation.Nothing article in the end....
Put that in spoilers man. You'll give the Tories on here a semi.Really? That leaves it open to a hell of a lot of interpretation.
For starters that could mean a huge hike in National Insurance, it could mean also mean tariffs. It's free to use but using it increases your tariff.
if he does have a problem then anybody taking the piss is an even bigger cnut.I'm not into the whole slagging off his kid thing....but I hadn't seen this until just now.
Not sure everything is working in the lads head sadly
They have been trying their best for years, undermining it, intentionally underfunding key areas and then saying "look we can't sustain this" etc. The biggest lie was the £350 million a week promised to the NHS if we left the EU which obviously never materialised. The morning after the vote the key "leave" figures actually laughed and at first said the never said it, then changed to that they never meant it. Blatant bs. However, the NHS is untouchable in many citizens eyes, and it is literally life support for the country. I would have died last year without it, no question about it at all, I owe my life to the NHS, but have always been a strong supporter of it, yet never needed it at all until last year. I'd happily pay a few more quid out of my wages towards the NHS, I think most people feel the same which is why Brits really do not get the US system at all, nor can they comprehend the selfish "i'm alright Jack, feck everyone else" attitude of people against UHC. I live in a very wealthy area and almost everyone I know pay separately for Private Medical Care, yet I've never heard any of them moan about contributing to the NHS, quite the opposite in fact.I am led to believe the NHS is untouchable - surefire political suicide.
Barron is none of our business.I'm not into the whole slagging off his kid thing....but I hadn't seen this until just now.
Not sure everything is working in the lads head sadly
Or...
On the right: US allies
On the left: US sanctions and bomb targets
Does it mention the thousands of miles of drug mule tunnels?
Lizard person malfunction.I'm not into the whole slagging off his kid thing....but I hadn't seen this until just now.
Not sure everything is working in the lads head sadly
My word.The downturn was severe but brief. By 2009 the US economy had regained its upward momentum and continued to grow consistently, if unspectacularly, for the remainder of Obama's presidency. Ignoring the early dip, for the next seven years the economy grew by about 2.3% per annum. That's still low growth in a period of economic recovery and in the wake of a near trillion dollar fiscal stimulus.
The EU and Japanese basket case economies are a poor comparison. Imo the US economy is best judged against its historic, pre-globalization performance. No one denies the impact of the global market on manufacturing. The question is do the figures justify the assertion that the overall positives outweigh the negatives?
Afaik, he's got his own floor in Trump tower, which probably means he has limited human interaction and as an extension of that, it's possible that his interpersonal skills are severely lacking. There's also a whole bunch of mental health issues a child can develop when left alone for prolonged periods.I'm not into the whole slagging off his kid thing....but I hadn't seen this until just now.
Not sure everything is working in the lads head sadly
The positives outweigh the negatives only when you take advantage of the changes. The problem people in certain parts of America have is that they're unwilling to change. The US ceased to be what they were as it pertains to manufacturing the minute they started focusing on Wall Street and virtual money. #reaganomicsThe downturn was severe but brief. By 2009 the US economy had regained its upward momentum and continued to grow consistently, if unspectacularly, for the remainder of Obama's presidency. Ignoring the early dip, for the next seven years the economy grew by about 2.3% per annum. That's still low growth in a period of economic recovery and in the wake of a near trillion dollar fiscal stimulus.
The EU and Japanese basket case economies are a poor comparison. Imo the US economy is best judged against its historic, pre-globalization performance. No one denies the impact of the global market on manufacturing. The question is do the figures justify the assertion that the overall positives outweigh the negatives?