I can imagine. I can see why people would be upset since he's such a good player, I'm glad he's chosen the classy thing to do though.
Antoine Griezmann| Signs a new contract till 2022
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Me too, but I suspect there might be a legion of Gordon Gecko types for whom the concepts of class, dignity, integrity and basic humanity have no place in football and only ruthlessness, greed and a general Hobbesian approach to the world are waiting for you.
Fair play to Griezmann for choosing loyalty over a higher salary. But I hope we don't go back in for him next summer. £86m will be far too much at that point.
Except it's nowhere near that black and white when it's fairly clear he was on his way up until the transfer ban ruling. When it is so apparent that Atleti have been bending the rules and cheating, is that loyalty still justified. I dunno. Doesn't matter anyhow, this thread needs to /
Based on what Real are rumoured to be dropping on Mbappe, and Pool are rumoured for Van Dijk, it might actually look a bargain at that point.
£86m for a 27 year old Griezmann won't be a bargain no matter if Mbappe goes for £100m or not. He's not exactly on Ronaldo's level.
What are you basing that one? He has handled the pressure of being Atletico's main creative outlet quite well, and also performed fantastically for France at their home tournament (it's hard to imagine a bigger pressure for a "regular" player - outside of Messi trying to prove himself for Argentina and crazy Brazilians needing a WC win on their home soil)
Agreed.
The other thing that I believe is that a player should WANT TO JOIN MAN UTD.
My feeling is that AG isn't too bothered.
So, if he joins us, whose to say he may not walk after 1 season, if he struggles?
I'd much rather have a lesser player who wants to fight for MUFC, than a Galactico who isn't bothered about our club.
Have to suspect he was mainly tempted here by money. Much like Di Maria.
I agree with you, a player should want to join United. Certainly months of negotiations might signal that commitment, before the ban hit. Honestly, just look at it from his perspective, everything is lined up for United, then you've got to choose between leaving your teammates, your manager, a club that took care of you and treated you properly, or delaying moving on to next dream phase of your career. I love Man Utd, but I respect the hell out of his decision. His decision is exactly what I'd expect of the character of a man who'd be worthy of playing for Man Utd.
You're right.
Actually everything points to the fact he was very hesitated about joining us from the start, starting from the talk about the weather, multiple quotes about him wanting to stay at Atletico. He has been saying a word then changes it afterwards. When the ban came he made his choice immediately for the side he actually wanted to stay at. He was hesitated about us and not 100% keen on us at all.
That's why he should be dead for us. He chose Atletico, then he can remain there for the rest of his career if he wants.
We need him more than he needs us or money, we should go back for him again. Should not allow him to go to other epl clubs or Bayern .
Imagine Sanchez lewandowski and griezman Forward line for Bayern.
We should go back for him and bring him here.
This --> post <-- is absolute bollocks.
Nah not really. Since his nonsense talking about how the weather is crap in England and great in Spain and I have been been suspicious of this transfer. You remember how Jose replied to this in his pressers.
And him having that loyalty to Atletico is nonsense as he's a Sociedad boy not from Madrid at all to be such loyal to them. He's for them a professional.
He was hesitated about this transfer from the start and it's very clear. He made his choice immediately without thinking after the ban.
He is staying for simeone's last year. He would move on next year and weather will not be an issue, we can't find another quality like him which would improve forward line so much. Can't let him join any other epl club or Bayern ,if we let than we should kiss ucl title a good buy for a long time.
He didn't go through months of negotiations and change his mind at the last minute.
What about all the clubs Atletico took players from illegally? What about the clubs who missed out on those players? What about all the players they signed in advance of their ban, when they beefed up their squad to take account of the pending action? They already had one of the best young squads in Europe at the time.
Would the ban really make that much difference to Atletico for the next six months? They finished third this season, were they realistically going to do any better this time around?
I don't know the answer, but is it possible some of the players acquired illegally are actually significant players for them now?
Why are you painting Atletico as the victim here?
If anyone is Gordon Gecko in this situation it's more Griezmann than United. He's the one endorsing cheating and benefiting from it financially.
Do you think I'll be sad if he joined us next summer ? Sure I won't, but I don't predict it, though. He won't join any other EPL also I think, if you're afraid of him joining City or Chelsea I can't see it happening.
Hmm are you proving my point or denying it by this post ? If he was really keen on us he wouldn't change his mind and cancel everything for a ban, and I'm not into these " loyalty" talks at all.
Nonsense. It's not United's job to dish out justice. And it's not for Griezmann to atone for their sins.
I think based on what you posted that you might be reading too much into whatever he tweeted or said in interview clips and trying to make sense of the situation like a high school fella who got rejected by his high school crush for the school dance, rather than looking at the most obvious answer. AG has a concrete affinity for Athletico, isn't going to force the issue now, and United respects that decision and is willing to wait. No cryptic bullshit interpretations with tarot cards about comments on the weather in Manchester.
Sorry that doesn't cut it for me. If you'd like to illucidate I'm happy to discuss it in a civilised manner.
If it's not for United to dish out justice (which we wouldn't be) why should we ameliorate it?
How would Griezmann be atoning for their sins by simply continuing his career elsewhere ? It seems like, again, you're asking Griezmann to pay the penance for Atletico's transgressions.
I'm not asking him to do anything, mate. He made his choice, it makes sense to me, and I suspect United respect it as well. Simple as.
Jose is a genius.
This 'radio silence' policy gets us out of the newspapers and moves us further in the direction of being silent but deadly in the transfer market once again. Treading lightly and hitting with a big contract and all that.
Be calm young grasshoppers (/muppets). All will be well in the end..
This 'radio silence' policy gets us out of the newspapers and moves us further in the direction of being silent but deadly in the transfer market once again. Treading lightly and hitting with a big contract and all that.
Be calm young grasshoppers (/muppets). All will be well in the end..
City no, Chelsea yes he can join them with London and conte. Bayern also yes, thought of Sanchez lewandowski griezman forward line would be scary to replace robben and Ribery.
We need him and we have to go back next year again even at 27.
He could have easily said all the season : " I don't know my future yet. I respect Atletico and won't move without their agreement so let's wait for the summer ". End of the text. Was that hard ? Better then talking nonsense all the year about him staying at Atletico and the weather is crap and England and all these crap that he wasn't forced to say. Even in the interview in which he said 6/10 join United, he also said 7/10 stay at Atletico. The guy has been hesitating and contradicting himself in everything he said.
Sorry but you're putting assumptions and basing your calculations on it. If he was keen on the transfer he wouldn't have put it on the transfer ban only, which Atletico was going to get it anyway. You're willing to discard everything he said and keep saying to believe an assumption.
If he was willing to come he would have come. This loyalty BS in not understandable considered he's a professional and not even from Madrid at all, or is he having more affinity for them than us ? Then you're proving my point again.
Also NOTHING suggests we're willing to wait for him.
They didn't bring Sanchez nor Griezmann, when this happen we can talk, but now, calm down.
Read the press statements again. It says we're cooling our interest, for now. That, most certainly across multiple media outlets, was a direct briefing from MUFC. Then he made his personal statement that he won't leave Athletico in this situation.
That doesn't suggest we'll make a second move for him next. Maybe , maybe not. Only Jose and Ed knows.
Also , I didn't say there were no negotiations between us and him, I said he wasn't 100% keen on the transfer or he would have forced it whatever the result of the CAS decision, which was very, very predicted btw that they would have got the ban.
Anyway, future will only tell..
I have a song in my head...
'Let it go, let it go...'
Another year, another Head and Shoulders.
'Let it go, let it go...'
Another year, another Head and Shoulders.
Where did you find that it was, "very, very predicted btw that they would get the ban". I'd like links to respectable news outlets that prove that, please.
Because both Madrid and Barca was hit by the same ban before they appealed to the decision I believe ?
They appealed the decision and it was pushed back so they could both go on a spending spree which was denied to Athletico, in this case. Links please, sir.
I don't have any links and I'm not willing to search for it to start with. I'm talking from the perspective that the same ban hit the other Spanish clubs already, and they appealed to it and I believe the only thing that they got appeal agreed and the ban got pushed before was because of them being Real and Barca only.
And that wasn't the point of discussion anyway. The point was if he was keen on the transfer why he didn't push it and waited till the ban officially hit them to choose his decision immediately ? You can't throw months of negotiation based on a transfer ban because you're " loyal ".
I rather we recruit someone else than wait for him for a year.
We have a 100m size hole in attack this year hence Griezman , I sure hope we don't go through next season with the same hole. I am sure Jose wouldn't either.
We will recruit to fill in the hole and then we won't need Griezmann anymore, certainly not at his release clause with an age of 27.
Hope all those posters that talk about the benefits of being nice to AM are right and they give us a good discount next year eh?
We have a 100m size hole in attack this year hence Griezman , I sure hope we don't go through next season with the same hole. I am sure Jose wouldn't either.
We will recruit to fill in the hole and then we won't need Griezmann anymore, certainly not at his release clause with an age of 27.
Hope all those posters that talk about the benefits of being nice to AM are right and they give us a good discount next year eh?
Barca appealed and then had a window of opportunity to strengthen their team before the ban. If Athletico had the same, it would have facilitated incoming and outgoing transfers - denied to Athletico - in essence the expectation could have very well been that Athletico could have been in a position to find replacements for AG and have the transfer proceed.
And now, you freely admit that your statement that "very, very predicted that Athletico was going to be hit harder than Barca or Madrid" is not worth your time to prove. Which means it's false.
Good evening, sir.
You took a one statement that wasn't even the main point on the discussion at all and changed all the talking to it. Whatever what I said about the ban being predicted is true or not, that doesn't change the main point of discussion which you don't want to discuss because you have no clear answer. I'll give you the right to be true in this but this point is irrelevant.
What's Griezmann relation to them having a replacement for him or not ? If he had negotiations with us for months, then he can't throw everything out of the window because a transfer ban come. If it wasn't predicted as you claim, then it was sure something that should have been put on the table during the negotiation because everyone knows Atletico may be hit with it. I doubt the club agreed to all its work getting thrown away because of such a ban during their negotiation with the player.
He's a professional football and he's not supposed to worry about what Atletico do after him. If he was keen on the transfer he wouldn't have thrown everything because his " darling " club can't replace him. If his affinity for Atletico is so much that he refused us to stay with them and cancel all the work, the his heart wasn't here at all and he can stay at Madrid for the rest of his career as he wants.
The problem is there aren't many players available like him, with his kind of football. I am under the impression Mourinho felt he would be the ideal partner for Rashford's development. Without him we might need two players instead of one, a poacher and a second-striker, plus a winger. Although I always thought we were going after three attacking players, due to our lack of goals last season ruining the Premier League campaign.
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I must admit I'm not a huge fan of how you've been discussing this topic so far.
It comes across as a bit condescending if I'm being honest especially given that the majority of posters who do not feel Griezmann has handled this well feel this way as a result of his public display of interest in signing.
So with this in mind a few things good 'sir'...
- RE: Class, dignity and basic humanity - If you hold these values in such high regard in football then how can you not see that Griezmann staying is in no small way not classy or dignified in that he very publicly flirted with United and then is somehow 'doing the right thing' by staying at a club who have cheated? He openly suggested that the club, Atletico, could not match his ambitions and that he wanted to win trophies, something he felt he could not do at Madrid and now suddenly this is a non issue? His lack of departure shows an odd support for the nefarious side of football. Atletico Madrid have nobody else but themselves to blame for their transfer ban and Griezmann staying is as much supporting this cheating as it is 'doing it for the fans'.
- Calling a post 'absolute b' - Lacks class, dignity and basic forum decorum and also you have absolutely no solid proof to reject the proposition made, that Griezmann has been hesitant about this transfer. We can only speculate however when a player comes out and says he has a chance of joining a club and then after a transfer ruling says that it would be a 'dirty move to leave now' it suggests that he has changed his mind and that there must have been a part of him hesitant about moving otherwise, guess what? He'd be a United player.
All that aside Going forward this whole Griezmann saga has left a very bitter taste in many fans' mouths. The feeling between Atletico Madrid forum fans is very mixed about him staying, many are happy of course due to the ban but they have not been impressed by Griezmann's behaviour in interviews and some see this as little more than a token gesture. As for United fans I think it is clear that many, myself included, feel Griezmann is wasting a year in Atletico.
The reason being for this is that without being able to sign any players Atletico are incredibly unlikely to progress this season. Real Madrid and Barcelona will improve and add to their squads which again leaves the most realistic prospect for them being a 3rd place finish and maybe a good cup run. He has in many ways chickened out of a new challenge and an opportunity for a greater role in a huge club. I am not saying United are currently a better team, but they are much more likely to win trophies and progress next season with Griezmann than Atletico are and thus in footballing terms would represent the greater opportunity for personal growth for Antoine.
I would also not be very happy if United were to sign Griezmann next January/summer unless it was at a reduced fee compared to his current release clause.
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I do agree that Griezmann was a kill two birds kind of signing in that he offered a nice balance of potency and creativity which would complement our current crop but realistically even if we had signed him I think another striker would be incoming or at least a winger. Without Ibrahimovic we are very short of genuine consistent attacking quality and while Griezmann would have IMO been perfect to improve that situation drastically he couldn't solve it on his own.
That might well be true but I am fairly confident Jose isn't going to leave the hole unfilled.
We might have to being two in but I am fairly confident whatever role Griezmann would've played would be filled.
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