Summer clear out

[edgar allan]

I can see us selling any of the players mentioned.

Unless we bring in another defender smalling and Jones will still be here. Darmian improved at the very end of the season so I would give him another year.

We are short of midfielders and forwards so can't see anyone leaving.

 

[Android1974]

I can see us selling any of the players mentioned.

Unless we bring in another defender smalling and Jones will still be here. Darmian improved at the very end of the season so I would give him another year.

We are short of midfielders and forwards so can't see anyone leaving.

If you start doing the math, none of what you say makes sense, though.

 

[buckooo1978]

I think I'd only get rid of Rooney and Ashley Young for now

depends on who comes in

 

[edgar allan]

If you start doing the math, none of what you say makes sense, though.

Well last years formula didn't supply the correct answer.

 

[Jaybomb]

I just want to see Smalling and Jones go. I have nothing personal against them but I literally cannot stand to see them in our Starting 11.

Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind and Tuanzebe might be enough. We can surely ship those two off for 20-25m and get a good LB in there.

 

[Jaybomb]

I think I'd only get rid of Rooney and Ashley Young for now

depends on who comes in

Is there any real need to sell them though? If we sell Rooney, there's a good chance we'll be paying him to play for someone else. So why bother?

Ashley Young can do a job at fullback if needed. It's not like he starts every game.

But I agree neither are good enough anymore. IMO James Rodriguez would be the perfect Rooney replacement and I'd love to see Benjamin Mendy come in at LB.

 

[Angelinho]

Most of the names mentioned are homegrown players. We only had 9 at the start of last season, and Schneiderlin has now departed. With no homegrown players among our reported targets, the scope for a clear out is limited until the likes Tuanebe and TFM are old enough to require registration.

Last Seasons Homegrown Players
Carrick, Michael
Johnstone, Samuel Luke
Jones, Philip Anthony
Lingard, Jesse Ellis
Pogba, Paul Labile
Rooney, Wayne Mark
Schneiderlin, Morgan
Smalling, Christopher
Young, Ashley Simon

 

[RedPed]

From the ones mentioned i would:

Definitely keep: Smalling, Fellaini, Young, Lingard, Martial, Shaw and Blind
Definitely get rid of: Jones, Darmian, Rooney

It's fine saying keep all of these players but then fans are just going to bitch about Mourinho during all of next season when performances and results in the league and Champions League aren't going as expected. You haven't even included Carrick in that list.

Looking at that list, it makes it even more incredulous that people were scoffing at Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Willian etc., regardless of whether we were going to get them or not.

From all of those players mentioned above, the only one I would keep is Martial. If we don't have a serious upgrade on that lot, I wouldn't be surprised/disappointed if we got dumped out of the Champions League early and/or miss out on top 4. Ideally at least six of them have to go. It's not so much about the first XI but the squad. We have so much mediocrity that needs to be replaced.

 

[KingMinger22]

There are only a handful of players I really want to keep in our squad. There a couple more I think we should. The rest are very expendable.

 

[drmuji]

There are only a handful of players I really want to keep in our squad. There a couple more I think we should. The rest are very expendable.

Please elaborate your theory. Because so far there are only 3 players which I think need to go.
Rooney, Either Jones or Smalling, and Young

 

[khoazany]

Most of the names mentioned are homegrown players. We only had 9 at the start of last season, and Schneiderlin has now departed. With no homegrown players among our reported targets, the scope for a clear out is limited until the likes Tuanebe and TFM are old enough to require registration.

Last Seasons Homegrown Players
Carrick, Michael
Johnstone, Samuel Luke
Jones, Philip Anthony
Lingard, Jesse Ellis
Pogba, Paul Labile
Rooney, Wayne Mark
Schneiderlin, Morgan
Smalling, Christopher
Young, Ashley Simon

We don't need to register 25 players. For example if we only register 21 players in the A list we only need to have 4 homegrown players within that 21. The likes of Rashford or the Pereiras wouldn't need to be registered in the A list next season as well so should be fine (for next season).

 

[drmuji]

Problem here is that where are you going to send Rooney unless he takes a big pay cut. None of the top teams in Europe who have money will ever buy him. The only club who can afford him and still in transition is AC Milan. Maybe they can. Other than that, I don't see A place for him.
I really do think he will go to MLS as that would make him a star, they have the money and football is slow enough and average enough for him to fit straight in.
But that is assuming that Rooney won't take a pay cut. Something in my heart says that he won't either

 

[KingMinger22]

Please elaborate your theory. Because so far there are only 3 players which I think need to go.
Rooney, Either Jones or Smalling, and Young

I'm not saying that everyone but a handful of players should go. I am saying that there are only a handful of players that I would be disappointed to lose. There are a lot that I would be indifferent to hardly bothered to see leave.

 

[drmuji]

I'm not saying that everyone but a handful of players should go. I am saying that there are only a handful of players that I would be disappointed to lose. There are a lot that I would be indifferent to hardly bothered to see leave.

Ok. Name the player whom you would like us not to be with us

 

[Donut]

If we aren't buying a new attacker (not counting Morata) I'd like us to keep Januzaj. He'll be the most creative player out of the uninspiring bunch our forwards are (- in form Martial & Mikhi).

 

[Hamadovich86]

Smalling or Jones have to leave unless Jose wants to player either one of them in a different position. You cant have five CBs in a squad and for the PL/CL we should not rotate so we definitely have to sell one.

Rooney needs to go imo but the club is in a bad position because he has two years left on his contract and he doesnt want to play for anyone in England except United or Everton. Personally I think Rooney has accepted his own demise as a player and is not simply looking to get the paychecks rather than actually playing some football. Our best bet is to ship him to the US or China and try to get a decent fee for him, otherwise hes staying and getting the money.

Young is a no brainer as well, I dont see the need for him at all and he is on his last year (with a one year extension option). Lingard is the new Young and will do all the running that Jose wants so we should look to sell Young.

One thing I will say is that we should wait until August to start clearing out, no rush to do that immediately. We need to sort out our incoming transfers first.

 

[Kidders]

Young practically hasn't played as a winger this season, you have to count him as a full-back.

I put him there until we actually buy a winger !

 

[buckooo1978]

Is there any real need to sell them though? If we sell Rooney, there's a good chance we'll be paying him to play for someone else. So why bother?

Ashley Young can do a job at fullback if needed. It's not like he starts every game.

But I agree neither are good enough anymore. IMO James Rodriguez would be the perfect Rooney replacement and I'd love to see Benjamin Mendy come in at LB.

even if we paid 100k a week for Rooney to play elsewhere we are still saving a fortune- despite him taking his demotion well last season his sheer presence isn't good and it's time to move on - for his own srlf-respect if nothing else

Young can do a job but is very well paid and how many times did he play last year... we have versatility in Blind, Darmian, Tuanzebe, Fosu Mensah and Demitri Mitchell was exciting at the end of the season - hard to see a role for Young

the likes of Darmian, Smalling, Fellaini and Lingard are expendable for me too but given Rojo' s injury and the likelihood of signings I think they might survive

 

[Havak]

This is one of those things that always gets said but never actually happens.

If we're only signing 4-5 players, we'll probably only get rid of roughly the same. Loan out some kids. Done.

I'd probably include Januzaj and Ibrahimovic in the ones we've let go too, so we could only actually see three or so more leave. Jones and Darmian would be my likely picks, but we probably need a full back if we sell Darmian.

 

[edgar allan]

If we aren't buying a new attacker (not counting Morata) I'd like us to keep Januzaj. He'll be the most creative player out of the uninspiring bunch our forwards are (- in form Martial & Mikhi).

He wasn't even good enough for Sunderland last year.
You are right about our forwards with the exception of Rashford who has potential.

The pressure is on Jose now to attract a world class striker or our struggles will continue next year.

 

[Android1974]

the likes of Darmian, Smalling, Fellaini and Lingard are expendable for me too but given Rojo' s injury and the likelihood of signings I think they might survive

Fellaini and Lingard are not going anywhere, for sure.

 

[drmuji]

If we aren't buying a new attacker (not counting Morata) I'd like us to keep Januzaj. He'll be the most creative player out of the uninspiring bunch our forwards are (- in form Martial & Mikhi).

Knowing how average he was for Sunderland in his preferred position with a manager who who believed in him, do you still think he'd be an upgrade on Mkhi or Martial

 

[drmuji]

Fellaini and Lingard are not going anywhere, for sure.

As much as I hate to accept it, you are right

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Must of said it about 20 times on here but still baffles me how so many can want Ashley Young gone (who is a very good squad player) but are happy with perenial wage theif Lingard staying (just a reminder, he is 25 this year for the people saying he is young).

 

[fellaini's barber]

We have lots of average players that need to be shipped out, unfortunately they are all on good money here which no one else will be willing to pay so we'll be stuck with them

 

[AndyJ1985]

Must of said it about 20 times on here but still baffles me how so many can want Ashley Young gone (who is a very good squad player) but are happy with perenial wage theif Lingard staying (just a reminder, he is 25 this year for the people saying he is young).

Because Lingard is a local lad and for some strange reason many people seem to think he's a kid. As you point out he's in his mid 20's. I also agree Young is a better squad player. Lingard is beyond shite and is still living off a couple FA cup goals. If we persist with him in the team it'll be no surprise when we struggle in the league again.

 

[buckooo1978]

Fellaini and Lingard are not going anywhere, for sure.

definitely - until next summer at least

how deflated will we all feel when Fellaini lines up in a number 10 role in the first big game

 

[fellaini's barber]

Must of said it about 20 times on here but still baffles me how so many can want Ashley Young gone (who is a very good squad player) but are happy with perenial wage theif Lingard staying (just a reminder, he is 25 this year for the people saying he is young).

Lingard plays at least and its probably his second full season with us, its natural that people will show more patience with him than Young who barely features at all and has been here since forever. I sometimes forget he's even still here, and when he does play his performances range between average to shit. Should really have been moved on long ago

 

[Kag]

Rooney is the only player we actively must sell. All of the others can contribute something relative to their wages.

I'd personally bin Young in a heartbeat, though.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Lingard plays at least and its probably his second full season with us, its natural that people will show more patience with him than Young who barely features at all and has been here since forever. I sometimes forget he's even still here, and when he does play his performances range between average to shit. Should really have been moved on long ago

See, I don't think Young's performances are that bad. He comes in whenever asked, and plays pretty well. Rarely has the tumescent type games that Lingard turns out on a near weekly basis. That's what makes Young a good squad player, He will come in and give a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance which is what you need. Lingard generally gives rather a 3 or 4 out of ten or a 9 (on the rare days he shows up). There is no middle ground with him and that's why I don't buy this whole 'Lingard is a good squad player' rubbish.

 

[Android1974]

People saying we aren't getting rid of players are expecting Mourinho to put up with a 26+3 men squad, really? Someone who just a year ago was used to have 20+3 squads?

 

[fellaini's barber]

See, I don't think Young's performances are that bad. He comes in whenever asked, and plays pretty well. Rarely has the tumescent type games that Lingard turns out on a near weekly basis. That's what makes Young a good squad player, He will come in and give a 6 or 7 out of 10 performance which is what you need. Lingard generally gives rather a 3 or 4 out of ten or a 9 (on the rare days he shows up). There is no middle ground with him and that's why I don't buy this whole 'Lingard is a good squad player' rubbish.

I think both of them are shite, but Young has been here for much longer doing nothing

 

[rocks13]

We have lots of average players that need to be shipped out, unfortunately they are all on good money here which no one else will be willing to pay so we'll be stuck with them

I don't really buy this - Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Depay were all on good wages but were happy to be moved on when it became clear they weren't part of the manager's plans. Similarly, Guardiola has been ruthless in getting rid of big names like Hart that he didn't want.

Some players will hang around for money but I think most will move on if a manager makes it clear they aren't part of his plans.

 

[Z_Wolf]

It's unbelievable how bad our recruitment was during Moyes and Van Gaal. They set the club back big time.

Shipping Darmian, Fellaini, Januzaj,Young, Rooney and Smalling would be good riddance imo. I'd keep Zlatan if he gets himself fit and is willing to play second fiddle to Morata.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

You were extremely difficult to beat last season and I think that Jose will value that very highly and be loathe to discard any player who can contribute to that trait next season even if they are not a crowd pleaser.

Anyone not buying in will be dispensed with, regardless of cost and status and replaced by someone who will.
Martial, Smalling and Shaw are in danger of being shown the exit door IMO.
The combination of attitude, execution and availability is very hard to find and that is the task ahead.

 

[buckooo1978]

It's unbelievable how bad our recruitment was during Moyes and Van Gaal. They set the club back big time.

Shipping Darmian, Fellaini, Januzaj,Young, Rooney and Smalling would be good riddance imo. I'd keep Zlatan if he gets himself fit and is willing to play second fiddle to Morata.

agree with all this and the emergence of Tuanzebe means technically we could say goodbye to Smalling - think he will hang onto one of Darmian/Smalling as a minimum as I'm not sure how much Jose will trust the youngsters like Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah and Mitchell at the back

and Zlatan play second fiddle no chance

 

[Android1974]

You were extremely difficult to beat last season and I think that Jose will value that very highly and be loathe to discard any player who can contribute to that trait next season even if they are not a crowd pleaser.

Anyone not buying in will be dispensed with, regardless of cost and status and replaced by someone who will.
Martial, Smalling and Shaw are in danger of being shown the exit door IMO.
The combination of attitude, execution and availability is very hard to find and that is the task ahead.

Regarding Martial, we don't have enough talent ahead to dispense with him, even if we buy a winger and a forward, Mourinho surely knows that. Shaw is injured, so a transfer move for him now is unlikely, and Mourinho might give him another half-chance. Smalling is going.

 

[roonster09]

Checking the squad we don't need to offload players to sign players.

We had registered 24 players last season and that includes players like Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Fitouri, Zlatan.

Now we have 19 players who have to be registered (excluding Zlatan) and also players like Shaw, Rashford can play without registering. Johnstone was registered, this season we might register Joel Pereira who is under 21.

So that's 18 slots that are taken up.

Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Pogba, Rooney, Young are registered home grown players. So we have at least 6 more slots open without offloading any player.

 

[Android1974]

Checking the squad we don't need to offload players to sign players.

We had registered 24 players last season and that includes players like Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Fitouri, Zlatan.

Now we have 19 players who have to be registered (excluding Zlatan) and also players like Shaw, Rashford can play without registering. Johnstone was registered, this season we might register Joel Pereira who is under 21.

So that's 18 slots that are taken up.

Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Pogba, Rooney, Young are registered home grown players. So we have at least 6 more slots open without offloading any player.

That's not the main reason we're getting rid of players. Mourinho doesn't work with big squads, he surely won't put up with more than 23 field players + 3 keepers, with the likely exception of Rojo who's injured for a while.

 

[roonster09]

That's not the main reason we're getting rid of players. Mourinho doesn't work with big squads, he surely won't put up with more than 23 field players + 3 keepers, with the likely exception of Rojo who's injured for a while.

If the obvious players like Rooney, One of Jones or Smalling leaves then we will have 23 players including 4 new signings or at max 24.