Michael Oliver

[padr81]

I don't know, the Sterling pen was the first incident. Goal there and you've got a different game that favors City. I thought City got the worse rap overall and I'd be pretty pissed had United been in their shoes that game.

Well yeah but I think the balance of the game was a draw. I think the Sterling one came after Yaya's silly going to ground. As I said had the ref spotted the deliberate pull on Aguero in the same incident instead of watching the tackle on Raheem (which he missed either way) Liverpool are down to 10 and Yaya would be taking the pen.

We had 2 potential pens go our way in our own box (one wasn't one imho was) before the Clichy one so I guess Liverpool fans will feel hard done by like ourselves. He's a shocking ref though.

 

[Sylar]

He messed up so many little decisions though in the end both teams came out with a fair result.

Its his lack of consistency which leads to this. I honestly think he creates issues for himself
I think the big decisions in the first half he got majority right.

I dont think he can handle big games though especially when he has to make that decision (and when he does, it gets to his head).

 

[padr81]

Its his lack of consistency which leads to this. I honestly think he creates issues for himself
I think the big decisions in the first half he got majority right.

I dont think he can handle big games though especially when he has to make that decision (and when he does, it gets to his head).

Yup he second guesses himself and falls apart. Its like when a striker misses a goal, than another and things just spiral from there. He just lets things build and build and gets worse and worse. How cowards out of big decisions some times (today) than he pulls a shocking big decision out of nowhere. Very little redeeming qualities as a ref.

 

[Dumbstar]

I was going to give him the benefit of doubt but having seen him first hand (on TV) he is just an average ref.

Yaya = red card
Otamendi = red card and penalty
Milner = red card and penalty
And since Milner is the red card in that move, Matip escapes.

Some silly yellows, some silly let offs. Just didn't get to grips with the game at all. A draw was a fair result.

 

[padr81]

I was going to give him the benefit of doubt but having seen him first hand (on TV) he is just an average ref.

Yaya = red card
Otamendi = red card and penalty
Milner = red card and penalty
And since Milner is the red card in that move, Matip escapes.

Some silly yellows, some silly let offs. Just didn't get to grips with the game at all. A draw was a fair result.

Agreed you guys were phenomenal for an away side. Don't think I've seen a team go for us at the Etihad like that. Well except Monaco and Barca. I don't think Milners was a red. I think Matip's was. I also think Matips foul was slightly ahead of Milners. I don't think Otters was a pen but I've seen them given, no way was a red. Yaya def should be a pen and he should have walked cause he was already booked. No complaints about the pen you were given, stonewall. Clichy constantly slips at crucial moments. Same against Monaco.

Imho:
Yaya = 2nd yellow and a stonewall pen.
Otter = Possibly a pen, never a red.
Milner = Stonewall Pen, not a red. Genuine attempt to play the ball which under new rules is not a red.
Matip (Aplogies to Klavan who I've been blaming = If it was before Milner which it looks like. Pen and a Red if it was slightly after nothing.

I think we can both agree, you deserved at least 1 more penalty and we deserved one. Oh and Lallana should have got a red for that miss, Kun too at the death.

 

[Snow]

Well yeah but I think the balance of the game was a draw. I think the Sterling one came after Yaya's silly going to ground. As I said had the ref spotted the deliberate pull on Aguero in the same incident instead of watching the tackle on Raheem (which he missed either way) Liverpool are down to 10 and Yaya would be taking the pen.

We had 2 potential pens go our way in our own box (one wasn't one imho was) before the Clichy one so I guess Liverpool fans will feel hard done by like ourselves. He's a shocking ref though.

Balance would have been different had Liverpool been a man down so early in the match. I don't think it was a genuine attempt, he was way too far from the ball to possibly get it to and completely behind Sterling. Blatant foul.

 

[Fiskey]

I'd agree usually with that but the fact is Oliver made it very clear that the next cynical foul, esp on Hazard was gonna result in a booking, five seconds later Herrera trips him stupidly. Can see why he booked him.

This isn't a rule in football, Oliver can't just make it up on a whim.

 

[montpelier]

Think today's LFC penalty is quite an interesting one. It looks pretty definite in real time but the video does say Clichy got something on the ball.

Does he get enough on the ball considering it's pretty much simultaneous with the 'foul' challenge & he jumps in off the ground, I'm not sure...

Maybe even with the video evidence you could justify the decision to give a pen couldn't you?

I said not at the time but am now less convinced.

And it was getting about time Oliver got one right anyway.

 

[lem8sh]

This isn't a rule in football, Oliver can't just make it up on a whim.

Of course it's not a rule.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Has been more than decent in this game. Maybe apart from the Sterling penalty. Has got a lot of tricky decisions right- like the Mane trip, the Yaya yellow(which although was a borderline red, it would've ruined the game), even the penalty decision is more or less understandable

What does it matter if it ruined the game? If it's red, it's red.

He had no hesitation in ruining the game on Monday night....

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

 

[Polite Poster]

Agreed you guys were phenomenal for an away side. Don't think I've seen a team go for us at the Etihad like that. Well except Monaco and Barca. I don't think Milners was a red. I think Matip's was. I also think Matips foul was slightly ahead of Milners. I don't think Otters was a pen but I've seen them given, no way was a red. Yaya def should be a pen and he should have walked cause he was already booked. No complaints about the pen you were given, stonewall. Clichy constantly slips at crucial moments. Same against Monaco.

Imho:
Yaya = 2nd yellow and a stonewall pen.
Otter = Possibly a pen, never a red.
Milner = Stonewall Pen, not a red. Genuine attempt to play the ball which under new rules is not a red.
Matip (Aplogies to Klavan who I've been blaming = If it was before Milner which it looks like. Pen and a Red if it was slightly after nothing.

I think we can both agree, you deserved at least 1 more penalty and we deserved one. Oh and Lallana should have got a red for that miss, Kun too at the death.

Mate you need to give your head a wobble.

Definite red card. Milner goes straight through Sterlings legs from behind. There was no attempt to play the ball. It was a wild desperate lunge which Milner attempted in the vain hope of preventing a goal. Sadly, due to a very poor piece of officiating, he was rewarded for an act that should have seen him sent from the field.

BTW - Clichy continually slips because he's a dozy cnut who nods off and finds himself out of position and then thinks shit I've gotta move !

 

[padr81]

Mate you need to give your head a wobble.

Definite red card. Milner goes straight through Sterlings legs from behind. There was no attempt to play the ball. It was a wild desperate lunge which Milner attempted in the vain hope of preventing a goal. Sadly, due to a very poor piece of officiating, he was rewarded for an act that should have seen him sent from the field.

BTW - Clichy continually slips because he's a dozy cnut who nods off and finds himself out of position and then thinks shit I've gotta move !

I just don't think he went into the tackle saying I'm going to deliberately commit a foul. If it's not intentional under the rules it's not a red. Vain hope and desperate lunge I agree with but those aren't red criteria anymore.
Shouldn't matter cause matip pulled Kun down first in same play first and imo that was red and a pen but we had a couple go or way we normally don't.

Also I agree feck Clichy. Don't see what he offers kola doesn't. Neither can defend but kola despite his lack of pace is useful going forward.

 

[Polite Poster]

I just don't think he went into the tackle saying I'm going to deliberately commit a foul. If it's not intentional under the rules it's not a red. Vain hope and desperate lunge I agree with but those aren't red criteria anymore.
Shouldn't matter cause matip pulled Kun down first in same play first and imo that was red and a pen but we had a couple go or way we normally don't.

Also I agree feck Clichy. Don't see what he offers kola doesn't. Neither can defend but kola despite his lack of pace is useful going forward.

It was a reckless out of control challenge from behind that had no hope of getting the ball. If that's not a red card then WTF ! If he had ruptured Sterlings achilles I wonder what you would say ?

 

[padr81]

It was a reckless out of control challenge from behind that had no hope of getting the ball. If that's not a red card then WTF ! If he had ruptured Sterlings achilles I wonder what you would say ?

I know but the double whammy of sending off and penalty was taken away for anything bar an intentional foul. I'm not defending Milner here (well I suppose I am a little), it was a stupid and rash challenge and could indeed have injured Raheem, but IFAB in all their genius have changed the rules and under the current directives its not a red. It maybe could fall under the not having a chance to play the ball rule but I knew straight away if the ref had given the pen he wouldn't have sent Milner off as he'd of deemed it a last ditch effort to genuinely play the ball.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36047575

 

[soap]

If the Milner foul isn't a red card under the new rule it's a shite rule. Whether he went for the ball or not (he probably was IMO) he didn't just deny a clear chance, he denied a certain goal. Defenders can just hurl themselves towards the ball and hope for the best in scenarios like that and hope the other team misses the penalty.

 

[Robertd0803]

Thought Michael Oliver just had it in for United but turns out he is actually is just a shit referee. I had to laugh at the Liverpool and City fans arguing that the ref was bent and favouring the other side constantly throughout the game he is just that bad.

I said early on after Emre Can pulled a City player back and somehow wasn't booked that Oliver was a terrible ref and grumbled about Herreras red card vs Chelsea. (which was a red card just irritated that Can wasn't booked by the same ref for a bookable offence). But then he misses Toure trying to kick someone off the pitch despite it happening right in front of him. Terrible performance.

 

[padr81]

If the Milner foul isn't a red card under the new rule it's a shite rule. Whether he went for the ball or not (he probably was IMO) he didn't just deny a clear chance, he denied a certain goal. Defenders can just hurl themselves towards the ball and hope for the best in scenarios like that and hope the other team misses the penalty.

Unfortunately yes. Its hard to believe but a ref has to prove the foul was intentional and as always in cases like the Milner tackle they'll always have doubt and not give the red.

 

[Sylar]

The toure one is reckless and out of control. Its funny seeing it on replay.

 

[soap]

Unfortunately yes. Its hard to believe but a ref has to prove the foul was intentional and as always in cases like the Milner tackle they'll always have doubt and not give the red.

In this instance I'm inclined to believe the challenge wasn't cynical and he probably was trying to get the ball but yeah you're right. My main issue isn't even that though. I don't think that intent should really matter when the player fouled literally has an open goal from a couple of yards

 

[FireballXL5]

It's not been a very good week for our Michael has it? City being charged now for misconduct.

 

[padr81]

In this instance I'm inclined to believe the challenge wasn't cynical and he probably was trying to get the ball but yeah you're right. My main issue isn't even that though. I don't think that intent should really matter when the player fouled literally has an open goal from a couple of yards

I agree 100%, all you have to do is sliding tackle and miss the ball instead of drag a player down and you don't get a red.

 

[Sandikan]

That's just more of a gangly oaf being clumsy than a bad foul to me. The angle of his wafting foot isn't originally aimed at the player
And I dislike both Toure and his nonsense and City.

 

[montpelier]

That's just more of a gangly oaf being clumsy than a bad foul to me. The angle of his wafting foot isn't originally aimed at the player
And I dislike both Toure and his nonsense and City.

I agree it's clumsy, I would also say it's late & reckless by the letter of the law (as it's supposed to be interpreted now)

Lucky he got him on the shoulder I think.

Again, if you video review that, what do you decide?

A lot of decisions are opinion or 50/50 ish for me, which is why I'm against the idea of video review mostly.

Oliver though, I could swear he gets more wrong than right, even accounting for the could go either way stuff.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Oliver at it again. Man City charged by FA for failing to control players.
Such a sissy to keep on complaining to FA that players are scaring him in every match.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39333531

 

[soap]

A lot of decisions are opinion or 50/50 ish for me, which is why I'm against the idea of video review mostly.

A lot aren't though, I don't see why you'd not want to eliminate the numerous obvious mistakes we see every week because some decisions will still be debatable.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Oliver at it again. Man City charged by FA for failing to control players.
Such a sissy to keep on complaining to FA that players are scaring him in every match.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39333531

This, and the Chelsea game, sets a strange precedent. Normally these are handed out when there is an accumulation of cynical fouls, yellow cards and even red cards. Protesting a penalty, which I don't think was a stonewall decision, is pretty normal, especially as City were denied an absolutely clear cut penalty when Milner wiped out Sterling infront of an empty net.

How does a club 'control' its players in those situations? What is the expectation? It is yet another punishment that is going to be handed out without any consistency.

 

[montpelier]

A lot aren't though, I don't see why you'd not want to eliminate the numerous obvious mistakes we see every week because some decisions will still be debatable.

fair enough about the obvious mistakes, difficult to argue against that too much on this thread, .

 

[Xaviesta]

So what are your thoughts on this article from Ryan Giggs about refs needing to show a more ''human touch'' to their refereeing.

http://www.ryangiggs.cc/news/personal/giggs-why-referees-must-show-human-touch

 

[djdhrubs]

This, and the Chelsea game, sets a strange precedent. Normally these are handed out when there is an accumulation of cynical fouls, yellow cards and even red cards. Protesting a penalty, which I don't think was a stonewall decision, is pretty normal, especially as City were denied an absolutely clear cut penalty when Milner wiped out Sterling infront of an empty net.

How does a club 'control' its players in those situations? What is the expectation? It is yet another punishment that is going to be handed out without any consistency.

No I doubt it. However it appears that the FA are for now backing this little scrote every time he runs crying to them when he feels his personal space has been invaded. He's probably encouraging all his colleagues to do the same thing whenever 3 or more people approach them to complain about any future decision they make.

I'm speculating but there may be some kinda drive from the FA to encourage communication like this to go through the captain, in a similar manner to how Oliver kept speaking to players in the presence of Smalling in the Chelsea match. Problem is, it's difficult to for the captain to then communicate stuff to the other players in a match setting. If for instance Oliver was warning Smalling about United repeatedly fouling Hazard, how the hell would he have got the message out to the other players without, you know, calling them all round in a huddle? Maybe from now on we could have all the players miked up and from our point of view, silently abusing the ref without physically approaching him?!

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Oliver at it again. Man City charged by FA for failing to control players.
Such a sissy to keep on complaining to FA that players are scaring him in every match.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39333531

Tbh this is to Oliver's credit

I expected it'd be the usual punish United to make an example of them, but let other teams off the exact same offense treatment. At least he's shown some consistency for once

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Tbh this is to Oliver's credit

I expected it'd be the usual punish United to make an example of them, but let other teams off the exact same offense treatment. At least he's shown some consistency for once

If Oliver does it consistently, then that's good, and it will perhaps minimise the crowding and abusing of the ref over time. It's whether other referees do the same that is a concern. If they don't, then it becomes a bit lopsided.

 

[Xaviesta]

Tbh this is to Oliver's credit

I expected it'd be the usual punish United to make an example of them, but let other teams off the exact same offense treatment. At least he's shown some consistency for once

If Oliver does it consistently, then that's good, and it will perhaps minimise the crowding and abusing of the ref over time. It's whether other referees do the same that is a concern. If they don't, then it becomes a bit lopsided.

Many will disagree but if this is the start of the FA cracking down on teams surrounding the ref after a decision i think it's a good thing. My team is guilty of it and i think it's a bad look seeing teams surrounding the ref.

 

[cyberman]

Was this the David Silva incident? The players looked pretty controlled to me, it seemed to be Silva on his own talking to the ref, the others were just listening in.
It has to be something else.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Tbh this is to Oliver's credit

I expected it'd be the usual punish United to make an example of them, but let other teams off the exact same offense treatment. At least he's shown some consistency for once

I think the whole thing will have a cascading effect though. Today you don't want 2-3 players to complain to ref regarding a penalty. Tomorrow you don't want anyone to open mouth in the match at all.
Unless there is a shove on the ref, abuse directed at the ref or a real ruckus, there is no need to go all out in protection of ref. Refs already dish out yellows for excessive moaning. There is no need for FA to step in and do more on it.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

CROOKED Michael Oliver is ref on Saturday.

Haven't won a match under him in about 3 years.

Last season he either gave a red or a penalty against us in every match.

Put your money on Leicester, folks

 

[SirAF]

CROOKED Michael Oliver is ref on Saturday.

Haven't won a match under him in about 3 years.

Last season he either gave a red or a penalty against us in every match.

Put your money on Leicester, folks

Dear God, I hate his ugly face

 

[klayton88]

Bullied at school 100%.

 

[Shane88]

Allowed Guardiola and Walker to get in his face after the sending off, even backing away from them.

If Mourinho tried the same, he'd be in the stands in a flash.

 

[Slevs]

CROOKED Michael Oliver is ref on Saturday.

Haven't won a match under him in about 3 years.

Last season he either gave a red or a penalty against us in every match.

Put your money on Leicester, folks

Is this true?