[Foxbatt]

Jeepers. Did we defend for our lives for 90 minutes? I thought we scored 3 goals too and hit the bar and had other close calls too?
The most important aspect of the game now is to get the three points. We got the three points and also scored 3 goals and conceded just 1. The rest of it does not matter.

 

[Wengerscoat]

Had the result been the other way around with Arsenal hanging on, the predictable certain posters would be using their ''Arsenal are just so lucky!'' line.

Some observations:

-Not surprised, our home 'record' was nothing but a sham, waiting for a big team to come and expose for what we are. Serial bottlers. I was surprised anyone thought we'd even get a draw. The only reason we beat United last few times was because Fergie was gone and JM wasn't there.
-If United play anything like this against City, i.e. as open as they were, you will get battered, esp now with no Pogba. City's attack is miles ahead of ours and DDG won't have a blinder every game.
-DDG: easily the best. I remember reading here people were comparing him with City's GK.

 

[TheReligion]

No, it isn't. Just like LOGIC doesn't seem to be your first SENSE.

That explains a few things.

 

[automaticflare]

No, it isn't. Just like LOGIC doesn't seem to be your first SENSE.

A tad out of order

 

[B20]

As said I don't think football is for you. .

Flipping heck Don't be such a dick.

 

[Darkhorsez]

My point is we don't need to concede control of the game every time we take the lead. Not wanting the ball, sitting back deep, soaking the pressure and trying to defend for a good chunk of 90 minutes is an absurd way to react after going 2 goals up. A better way to be to keep possession, slow down the tempo and control the midfield.

Yes but there are always two sides to this. They changed their formation after going down 2 goals. So we cannot put everything on the shoulder of our players alone. They were playing at home and had to get on the front foot to recover. Also, they are a very decent side! I am sure you will feel different when you reflect a bit more.

 

[automaticflare]

Jose can't win


Park the bus v Liverpool too defensive

Completely open v Arsenal with 3/4 attackers conceding possession shite performance

4 points away v Arsenal and Liverpool thank you very much

 

[automaticflare]

Yes but there are always two sides to this. They changed their formation after going down 2 goals. So we cannot put everything on the shoulder of our players alone. They were playing at home and had to get on the front foot to recover. Also, they are a very decent side! I am sure you will feel different when you reflect a bit more.

Agree we weren't playing Doncaster at home

 

[TheReligion]

Flipping heck Don't be such a dick.

What am I being a dick about? Challenging yet another poor post?

 

[Mike Griffin]

Supports: Vigo RFC, Charlton

no mate. If that had been on our player you would have been screaming red. It was bad

Sorry, our player?

 

[Catt]

Some people will criticise performance and say it was not good. These people.. they are not human. they watch girlfriend have sex with other man while they read book in corner. they get up late. they enjoy the films of Wes Anderson. they bring financial grief to those around them. they deserve nothing

What?

 

[MZX7]

A tad out of order

That explains a few things.

I'm glad my explanations are clear enough for someone who defies Darwin's Natural Selection theory by merely existing.

 

[TheReligion]

I'm glad my explanations are clear enough for someone who defies Darwin's Natural Selection theory by merely existing.

Yes crystal clear. Very funny. Top red.

 

[Darkhorsez]

What?

 

[NotoriousISSY]

This result seems to have antagonised the entire footballing world in the UK, minus followers of Manchester United. I love it.

“They parked the bus” - really? 3 goals away at Arsenal, second most in England, over three goals in what 7 or 8 of the opening 15 games? That bus must be a single decker by now.

“Their keeper saved their arses” - maybe your keeper would do the same if he was any good

“Their striker didn’t even score” - so what

“They we’re taking an extra three seconds on each set piece” - it’s the referees job to decide what’s too long

“They never get penalties against them” - they also rarely get legitimate penalties their way

“Mourinho is a cnut” - he’s our cnut

 

[B20]

What am I being a dick about? Challenging yet another poor post?

Challenge the arguments. Don't patronise in multiple posts about what a person should or should not be passionate about

 

[MZX7]

Yes crystal clear. Very funny. Top red.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

No. Today. I actually felt the most frustrated in all games since Mourinho took over. Because we made them look like a world class team.

33 shots on Target against Manchester United?? Which team has stats like that? Not even Real Madrid could manage that against us on any other day.

This sitting back and defending, not wanting the ball bs is too frustrating.

De Gea had something like 15 saves apart from a few that went whiskers wide off the goal posts. It is nothing but an early Christmas miracle, so many shots didn't find the back of the net due to either great goalkeeping or poor finishing.

No opposition, against United, home or away should be able to boast of such high numbers of shots on target.

If they'd had 33 shots on target and De Gea made 15 saves, they'd have scored 18 goals

 

[TheReligion]

Challenge the arguments. Don't patronise in multiple posts about what a person should or should not be passionate about

Yeah I have done and its clear he has no idea what is going on (which is why I asked what his first language is).

As such its a complete waste of time. I'd have a better discussion with the fire place.

 

[TheReligion]

Tell us how you really feel.

I'd love to but I'd get banned.

 

[RedStarUnited]

The attacking transitions today were just magical. Thats the best I have seen us go from defence to attack in years. And Pogba was the biggest reason for that, he is sensational in transitions.

 

[MZX7]

Yes but there are always two sides to this. They changed their formation after going down 2 goals. So we cannot put everything on the shoulder of our players alone. They were playing at home and had to get on the front foot to recover. Also, they are a very decent side! I am sure you will feel different when you reflect a bit more.

Definitely. I'm more concerned that Mourinho didn't satisfactorily have a better plan B, at least when they cam on after 45 minutes to keep possession and maintain control. Our midfield options on the bench had only Herrera so I guess he didn't have much of a choice?

What do you think we could have done better to avoid getting battered like that for almost 60-70 minutes?

Isn't 25% possession a really low number for a team that has scored 3 goals. On the one hand it makes us seem super-efficient at scoring, and on the other it makes us look like we had no control of the ball apart from those attacking plays that provided our goals.

 

[MZX7]

If they'd had 33 shots on target and De Gea made 15 saves, they'd have scored 18 goals

Ha ha. Sorry. You're right. Guess 33 shots. Not shots on target.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

The 33 shot stat is an absolutely flawed because majority of them were nothing shots taken from bizzarre places and angles

 

[MZX7]

I'd love to but I'd get banned.

Surely won't be the first experience you've had of being cast away from a gathering of sentient beings?

 

[Foxbatt]

Just be satisfied that we beat them 1-3 at their home and came away with 3 important points. Now some people want us to park the bus while some wants us to attack and score goals. We scored 3 goals and conceded just one. So what is the gripe about our game now?

 

[TheReligion]

Surely won't be the first experience you've had of being cast away from a gathering of sentient beings?

There's nothing more cringeworthy than someone trying to be witty who can't actually grasp the English language. Id quit whilst you're ahead. You've made your point and it seems that I, and many others, think it was a really weak post.

 

[MZX7]

There's nothing more cringeworthy than someone trying to be witty who can't actually grasp the English language. Id quit whilst you're ahead. You've made your point and it seems that I, and many others, think it was a really weak post.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that if it helps coddle your frail ego.

 

[TheReligion]

Sure. Keep telling yourself that if it helps coddle your frail ego.

Posters like you help my ego massively

 

[Darkhorsez]

Definitely. I'm more concerned that Mourinho didn't satisfactorily have a better plan B, at least when they cam on after 45 minutes to keep possession and maintain control. Our midfield options on the bench had only Herrera so I guess he didn't have much of a choice?

What do you think we could have done better to avoid getting battered like that for almost 60-70 minutes?

Isn't 25% possession a really low number for a team that has scored 3 goals. On the one hand it makes us seem super-efficient at scoring, and on the other it makes us look like we had no control of the ball apart from those attacking plays that provided our goals.

I was also hoping that Mou would make a change at halftime. We needed more possession for sure. We could have brought on Herrera sooner. Perhaps Mata. Anyone who could keep hold of the ball. These type of games are a bit crazy too with so much at stake. Players don’t always perform as expected. Tough job to be a manager.

 

[stepic]

wes anderson is a goddamn genius

 

[MZX7]

Posters like you help my ego massively

And imposters like you make my day.

 

[Peanut Butter]

Some people will criticise performance and say it was not good. These people.. they are not human. they watch girlfriend have sex with other man while they read book in corner. they get up late. they enjoy the films of Wes Anderson. they bring financial grief to those around them. they deserve nothing

Best post ever. I read it, in my mind, with the voice of that woman who works in the dry cleaner on Curb Your Enthusiasm.

 

[MZX7]

I was also hoping that Mou would make a change at halftime. We needed more possession for sure. We could have brought on Herrera sooner. Perhaps Mata. Anyone who could keep hold of the ball. These type of games are a bit crazy too with so much at stake. Players don’t always perform as expected. Tough job to be a manager.

Definitely a crazy game indeed.

 

[noodlehair]

Ok so in summary, we were great on the counter, and I'll get to that, but the composure and speed going forwards is something we've not seen from a United side in a long time (even if 90% of the time when we do see it, it seems to be against Arsenal). So from that point of view purely it was really exciting to watch.

However, our defending to be honest was absolutely shocking. It was dissorganised, panicky and really sluggish, and our players were so compact it bordered on comical. Arsenal had clear chances on goal because of the following:
- Our defenders being so close together they all got in each other's way. At one point in the second half FIVE of our players all tried to make the SAME clearance. Why?
- One of our players clearing the ball by heading it directly up in the air and then running off. This happened twice.
- Repeated occasions where one of our CBs would get the ball INSIDE the six yard box, and literally dribble it stright into an Arsenal player and lose it!
- Defenders facing in the WRONG direction when the opposition player they were marking picked up the ball.

I mean, I'm not taking away from what a great game to watch it was and the fact I was buzzing after, but it was exciting because we defended like a pub side and because Arsenal still think both their defensive midfielders are actually No10s. Both of us would have been ripped to shreds by any top class side today.

Still:
- Lukaku, Martial and Lingard as a front three just works. It's not just about how good they are as players. All three have good movement, and all three understand where and how to run and move in relation to each other. Sometimes a combination just works and elevates the players involved. Put Lingard in the team as an individual and he isn't good enough, but as part of a three who all play off each other suddenly he looks lethal. The bonus is that between them you also have a good mix of power and skill, and all three have pace. Hopefully Rashford can show he's interchangable with them too but it's reallly refreshing to see our attacking players playing so well as a unit.

- Stepping up in big games. Good to see we have players who will do this now. We knew De Gea and Martial could. Today Pogba showed he can, Lukaku did, Young and Valencia were both fantastic at times. When you have players who go into big games wanting to impose themselves, it gives you a real chance to do that as a team.

- Why are Arsenal STILL so naive? They were on top for large spells, but it's the 30th, 40th, 50th minute of the game and they're pressing as if it's the 93rd minute of the World Cup final and they're a goal down. At any time, two or three accurate passes and you're directly against their two man defence with as many of your players who want to run forwards. It's like Wenger thinks he's playing Master League on PES and can just stick all his players as far up the pitch as possible, and win every game 7-3.

- Ramsey is just a joke player at this point. Against any side decent enough to attack, you know anything positive he does is undermined completely by his complete lack of balls when you don't have the ball. At times like today he has to be scoring a hatrick to justify how amazingly poor he is when not in possession. I mean Ozil gets stick for this but Ramsey is about three times as bad.

Had the result been the other way around with Arsenal hanging on, the predictable certain posters would be using their ''Arsenal are just so lucky!'' line.

Some observations:

-Not surprised, our home 'record' was nothing but a sham, waiting for a big team to come and expose for what we are. Serial bottlers. I was surprised anyone thought we'd even get a draw. The only reason we beat United last few times was because Fergie was gone and JM wasn't there.
-If United play anything like this against City, i.e. as open as they were, you will get battered, esp now with no Pogba. City's attack is miles ahead of ours and DDG won't have a blinder every game.
-DDG: easily the best. I remember reading here people were comparing him with City's GK.

I thought you might win but because we've been hit and miss. Also thought we'd win if we were switched on though, because you're still always so open on the break. I've no idea what Wenger thinks will happen. Every time you lose a game like this he acts like he thinks it was unlucky, as opposed to stupid.

Agree RE: City, except that I don't think we will play anything like that against them. Jose has his way of playing against Arsenal which he knows works, and the early gols threw the game into what was basically a 90 minute panic attack. Aggainst City I suspect there'll be a lot more attention paid to individual players and remaining defensively organised. It'll bee a different game completely.

 

[VJ1762]

cue guardiola press conference before the derby on sunday

" That David de gea team ..."

 

[Robertd0803]

Well that was just bonkers.

Not sure how I feel about Arsenal being all over us, oddly enough they did nothing once we were down to 10 men. Have to wonder though why Arsenal werent trying more shots from the edge of the box at least, at one point both Ozil and Sanchez had a clear shot on goal and instead passed it. Baffling even from a United fans point of view.

That red card

Loved how clinical we were, Martials assist for the first was outstanding. Our counter attacking was fantastic. De Gea was simply incredible.

Big win.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Had the result been the other way around with Arsenal hanging on, the predictable certain posters would be using their ''Arsenal are just so lucky!'' line.

Some observations:

-Not surprised, our home 'record' was nothing but a sham, waiting for a big team to come and expose for what we are. Serial bottlers. I was surprised anyone thought we'd even get a draw. The only reason we beat United last few times was because Fergie was gone and JM wasn't there.
-If United play anything like this against City, i.e. as open as they were, you will get battered, esp now with no Pogba. City's attack is miles ahead of ours and DDG won't have a blinder every game.
-DDG: easily the best. I remember reading here people were comparing him with City's GK.

That was the City lot tbf.

 

[automaticflare]

If they'd had 33 shots on target and De Gea made 15 saves, they'd have scored 18 goals

Quality

 

[montpelier]

We were 2 goals in front for most of the game, I don't get what all the panic is (was) about, .

That 25 mins up to halftime though, . - goalmouth scramble, corner, goalmouth scramble, corner, goalmouth scramble, corner.... lovely stuff.