Giggs: I told the club to sign Mbappe and Jesus

[NJM78]

'got a gigg tonight maaaann

Seriously though I look at Ali also, we had first hand evidence of his talent when Mk Dons hammered us.....goes to Spurs for 5m. Yeah hes a cnut but a very good player.
There are a lot of hits and misses with a lot of clubs but we should have got Hazard, although not cheap, I think we would have had a league title post SAF if we signed him regardless of ridiculous agent demands. Sanchez at Udinese is another that springs to mind although the lure of Barca was stronger I guess. SAF preferring Cleverley to Eriksen when at Ajax is another misstep. Difference is SAF was great, Moyes and LvG were idiots.

Going forward though we need to get our act together, if Ed spends the summer hiding in the bushes outside Gareth Bales house, we are in trouble. We need to go balls deep financially on the likes of Griezmann, Dybala, Veratti etc.

 

[BULB]

Giggs should come out and tell us who we should sign right now, anyone can look back.

He only listed Mbappe and Jesus, what about the other 10 spuds he was saying to sign??

If Jesus had been a flop he'd be saying 'I told our scouts to get Mbappe and <insert name>.'

 

[Maradona10]

The same guy who advised Moyes and United to not sign Thiago because he wasnt a "united player"? He is just jumping on the bandwagon and sticking the knife in when we are down.

 

[Xaviesta]

I think Monaco would have asked for something more than 5m for Mbappe. Jesus's club probably would have done likewise.

 

[Stacks]

Can't Giggs just take a scouting role then? If he recognises talented youth, he can help us.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Comes across a little bit Wenger does this. Giggs knew about Mbappe before it was cool.

 

[reddaz71]

Clearly he is still hankering after the Utd job and terrified of taking anything else because failure would derail his chances of the job he really wants!!!

 

[Marcky411]

Not really, the post-Ferguson signings have been woeful up until Mourinho (who still got one dud in Mhkitaryan)

My point exactly, hindsight.
Lets all be honest here, at the time we were all happy when we heard Di Maria, best player of the world cup. Falcao the tiger, Schweini world class, what a snatch etc etc. Besides the Fellaini saga most people where happy with the signings we had done, now that most haven't worked out it is easy to say how bad the recruitment was.
As Giggs states he wanted Mbappe and Jesus years ago, good calls now but could you imagine what would've happened to those two players in LvG's system/philosophy or even in Jose's defending first tactics. I wonder how successful they would've been then compared to the status they have now.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

I think Monaco would have asked for something more than 5m for Mbappe. Jesus's club probably would have done likewise.

Yeah the £5m seems like absolute BS to be honest and puts some of the other points he made a bit less substantial.

However our transfer policy has been pretty terrible for years now. If Giggs is as good as he feels he is, he should be campaigning for us to bring him in as a Director of Football.

 

[BigCaine]

They bought him last season

I am talking about mbappe not about Jesus, that bid was made in 2016, don't buy this 5mn and he was ours nonsense from Giggs about mbappe, have no opinion on Jesus as he is doing great in a guardiola team who knows how he would have done here.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

And I told the club to sign Messi and KDB.


Easy. Where do I get my prize?

 

[JPRouve]

My point exactly, hindsight.
Lets all be honest here, at the time we were all happy when we heard Di Maria, best player of the world cup. Falcao the tiger, Schweini world class, what a snatch etc etc. Besides the Fellaini saga most people where happy with the signings we had done, now that most haven't worked out it is easy to say how bad the recruitment was.
As Giggs states he wanted Mbappe and Jesus years ago, good calls now but could you imagine what would've happened to those two players in LvG's system/philosophy or even in Jose's defending first tactics. I wonder how successful they would've been then compared to the status they have now.

They would score goals and have fun, like Martial did.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

It's a very easy thing to say now. Not saying it isn't true, but it's all academic now.

 

[devilish]

I knew that Messi was going to be a great talent since he was 10 years of age.

 

[Freak]

He's right. Our scouting has been pretty average. Besides Martial and Bailly, I can't think of a relatively unknown talent that we bought that turned out to be good.

 

[JPRouve]

He's right. Our scouting has been pretty average. Besides Martial and Bailly, I can't think of a relatively unknown talent that we bought that turned out to be good.

Well, that's because relatively unknown talents good enough for clubs like United don't exist or are the fruits of scouting blunders. Most average to big clubs are very good at scouting, the main difference is how far they are able to look.

 

[Oakie]

I never want giggs as our manager, sorry but he is a despicable human being far worse than Jose..

He seems to just expect the job with out proving him self and when it does not go his way he slags the club with sly digs if he was even half good at the job why didnt we sign them under LVG who would of been happy to coach more youth.

The man is a socio-path and if it wasnt for the football we would all be crossing the street to avoid.

 

[Brophs]

Sound like he’s pitching for the Arsenal job with all of this “I could have signed him when he was 14” chatter.

 

[marktan]

Evans is a decent defender and I’m delighted that he’s done well at West Brom. He clearly hadn’t got the mentality to play for United. Welbeck just isn’t good enough, aside from his terrible injury record. Rafael has hardly set the world alight since being sold.

If Giggs seriously believes players like this should be the core of the team thanks to them being “United through and through”, then he probably wouldn’t be a very good manager.

None of the 3 are the top top ala Pogba and De Gea but they would've all been solid options for us. Rafael has been good at Lyon and would be far better as an option than Darmian (it's a shame that people forget how good Rafael was in Fergie's last season). Welbeck despite being hit and miss would've been a better option than Depay, and imo more suited to us currently than Mata/Mikhi, when fit he's like a more technical version of Lingard. Not a huge miss though. Evans would be a better option than Lindelof, but again not a huge miss. Rafael's really the only one I'd wish we'd kept from the 3.

It's crazy though the amount of players LVG sold - Nani, Rafael, Di Maria, RVP, Chicharito, Welbeck, Evans etc - I'm sure at least some of those Mourinho would've done well with. It doesn't help that LVG largely replaced them with dross like Depay, Darmian, Bastian and Schneiderlin.

 

[Bobski]

Years later we see how important the likes of Valencia, Jones, Young, Smalling have been. Not world renowned stars, just solid pros who graft away, know the cub and give a consistency of performance. Rafael, Welbeck and co did not have to be the core of the team, they were just good squad players. LVG replaced our squad players with players of a similar or lesser level. It meant that there was less to spend when looking for the stars who could actually lift the standards of the rest.

It was a flawed transfer strategy, spent a lot of money to make the squad weaker.

 

[Frank Grimes]

What ever happened with that u16 prospect we were supposed to sign a few weeks back ?,from Portugal I think.

Edit: Embalo

 

[Crustanoid]

Well I’m sold

Hopefully he’s lining up future transfers right now

For when he takes over

 

[Xaviesta]

What defines a Manchester United player? It's a term i think the Neville brothers have used as well. Ability obviously comes into it but what are the other characteristics that define a Manchester United player?

 

[T A]

I want Rafael to come back so badly. Still perfect successor of Valencia. The fire in his eyes, the way he reacts everytime his team faces unfair judgement, how effective he was on the right flank. His injury prone weakness has been improved since last season, now is the right time to come home

 

[Bobski]

What defines a Manchester United player? It's a term i think the Neville brothers have used as well. Ability obviously comes into it but what are the other characteristics that define a Manchester United player?

Courage, desire to show for the ball, play the difficult pass and not shrink under pressure. The key element.

 

[Wumminator]

He’s exactly right about all of it.

Man there’s some United “fans” on this forum who genuinely hate Ryan Giggs. Utterly bizarre.

Would love him to manage us one day.

 

[MadDogg]

So he called two that went on to make it?

The important question here is how many did he actually suggest? Did he scout and suggest a couple of dozen youngsters, and the majority of them have gone on to do little? Or did he only suggest us sign a small number of youngsters, and he's gone on to be proven a good judge of talent?

If it was the former, his recommendations mean nothing. He took a scattergun approach and two of the many went on to make it. It's not like we can sign all of those kids he suggested. However if it's the latter, he's shown a good judge of talent and it coulld be suggested we should be looking to get him back as a youth scout.

 

[Xaviesta]

Courage, desire to show for the ball, play the difficult pass and not shrink under pressure. The key element.

Ok, but what you described it was most top clubs who want to be successful want players with the traits you mentioned. City would want players with traits you described, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern etc etc, not just United.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

C'mon guys, lets just (Swan)see what happens over Xmas!

 

[Skills]

Wouldn't be surprised. He pushed for Martial's transfer too IIRC.

 

[King.of.Red]

Tbh, it's difficult for me to believe a cheater. But I agree that our purchases after SAF were shit.

 

[Bobski]

Tbh, it's difficult for me to believe a cheater. But I agree that our purchases after SAF were shit.

Day to day life must be difficult, given surveys generally tell that between 40-60% of men have admitted to infidelity during a relationship, 30-40% of women, and the truth probably higher. Sometimes wonder where people get the time and energy to have all these affairs to be honest.

 

[Foxbatt]

he has also said that he is not cut to manage lower clubs and he can only manage top clubs. He had a go at United for bringing Jose in and not giving it to him. He was a legend but why can't he accept that United is not going to give him the Manager's position given our situation?

 

[Jagga7]

Giggsy going to have 20 ratings for judging player ability and judging player potential in the next footie manager

 

[Jaybomb]

Jesus and Mbappe would have meant no Rashford.

I wouldn’t swap Rashford for them. I genuinely believe he can become our greatest ever player.

 

[Xaviesta]

Some other quotes from Giggs:

'I thought I was in with a shout, but the club were in a difficult situation. They had fallen down the pecking order. They went for a winner, in Jose, a win-at-all-costs type of manager. Is Jose a typical Manchester United manager? Probably not, but United were in a situation of ''How quickly can we get back to the top?'' I totally understand that. I just felt I could have brought continuity. I knew the players. I know what a Manchester United player looks like.'

 

[Tom Van Persie]

I honestly think Giggs is a bit scared of taking a job elsewhere because he's afraid of failing and he knows if he does then he won't be considered for the United job when Mourinho leaves. I reckon he's waiting to see if Jose leaves after his three year contract.

 

[golden_blunder]

Good to see that he learned something from Moyes.

How do you mean?

 

[harms]

How do you mean?

It reminded me of Moyes moaning about Bale, Kroos, Fabregas (genius scout that he was) and other players that he wanted to sign, but the club failed to

 

[golden_blunder]

As an assistance manager didn’t do convincing part of signing them. It’s like saying in my resume I suggested to build the house but didn’t convince to go ahead with plan. What a waste time working with moyes and lvg as assistant manager. This guy has ruined all his chances better take up a job in championship and work his way up than try to poke club from out side moyes like

Key phrase is assistant manager. I very much doubt a wrecking ball could have changed Lvgs views on players, especially attacking, creative players