Can you honestly not see the lack of cohesion, strategical attacking play, intricate passing, penetration in our attacks? Even after playing together for more than half of the season, most of the players do not seem to know where to pass the ball to someone, who likes it to feet and who likes it in the space ahead. Most of the attacks is very basic and predictable, heavily reliant on individual brilliance and the opponents messing up. Any semblance of an attack breaks down when up against a team with intelligent movement and pressing and the hoofball game begins.Those are the kind of sides who you are likely to slip up against. Case in point last season where we drew like half the dross in the league. The likes of Swansea Burnley West Brom and West Ham get results against other big teams this season yet we have so far lost only to Huddersfield.
If you take the ratio of good matches to bad matches it will be something like 15:1 or something. The plain fact is we have had handful of bad matches. We have scored 4 or more maybe 10 times this season? Or is that a coincidence for you?
Seriously though, it looks like team sport is not for you. Try golf or snooker maybe.
I agree. Look at Rvp. Arguably Arsenal back then more consistently played attacking yet he changed shirt playing to play zombie football. Why? Because when it gets tough, Arsenal as a team undid his effort. At United, he could grind out result in ugly way, but his teammates wouldn't let him down and his effort was truly rewarded.He played well because Arsenal were playing well. When Arsenal inevitably play badly in some games, he will also go into hiding.
In contrast, once Sanchez becomes fully used to our team, he has the potential to single-handedly win games and carry us even when we are not playing well as a team. That's the difference in mentality and talent.
If we had sold Mkhi to Arsenal just like LvG sold Di Maria to PSG, I would be furious. But we got Alexis fecking Sanchez in return. This deal was only possible if either Martial or Mkhi were swapped and so the logical option was Mkhi. He's the same age as Sanchez and while a good player, is not suited for a title winning team.
I like both him and Wenger, so I wish them well and hope Arsenal get 4th ahead of Liverpool, if not Spurs.
So we score because individual talent and opponents playing badly? Convenient. That’s something that can be said for literally every team.Can you honestly not see the lack of cohesion, strategical attacking play, intricate passing, penetration in our attacks? Even after playing together for more than half of the season, most of the players do not seem to know where to pass the ball to someone, who likes it to feet and who likes it in the space ahead. Most of the attacks is very basic and predictable, heavily reliant on individual brilliance and the opponents messing up. Any semblance of an attack breaks down when up against a team with intelligent movement and pressing and the hoofball game begins.
Mourinho is many things but he is not a good attacking coach, able to improve attacking players through coaching and tactics. The improvement in Lingard, Martial and co. is largely down to their own efforts rather than the managers. Now, I don't want Mourinho to go but what I do want is for the Management to get a proper attacking assistant coach or something who can work thoroughly on our attacking game in tandem to Mourinho.
Because, whoever we buy, with these tactics, I'm not sure we will win anything significant under Jose( read UCL or League). Would be more than happy to be proven wrong by him, of course.
Stop the insults, would you like it if i said stick to cricket or hockey cause you haven't a scooby doo what attractive football looks like on every second post? Plus they add nothing to the conversation. It's a forum, we're not supposed to agree on everything.Those are the kind of sides who you are likely to slip up against. Case in point last season where we drew like half the dross in the league. The likes of Swansea Burnley West Brom and West Ham get results against other big teams this season yet we have so far lost only to Huddersfield.
If you take the ratio of good matches to bad matches it will be something like 15:1 or something. The plain fact is we have had handful of bad matches. We have scored 4 or more maybe 10 times this season? Or is that a coincidence for you?
Seriously though, it looks like team sport is not for you. Try golf or snooker maybe.
100%. This game was exactly the kind Mkhitaryan would bottle for us, starved of space and getting kicked up and down the park. Sanchez has guts, he reminds me of Ronaldo in that way, no matter how much the opposition try to ‘reduce’ him it just doesn’t work.Comparing his talent to Lingard is pointless, it's obvious he's more talented. To play at this level, you need a very big heart to go with the talent. Watch Sanchez today, he was kicked many times, got back up and continue with his job. If that was Mkhi, you will never see him again after the second kick.
The system must have suited him to an extent because at times he played very well. The problem was his inability to do it on a consistent basis.Then why did we bother to buy him if we weren't gonna play to his strengths, same situation as Kagawa. Didn't need to build the team around him to do that
Slick movement and passing against the 19th placed team who had not won their last 7 matches before coming here? Keeping slapping your own shoulder on this wonderful achievement.So we score because individual talent and opponents playing badly? Convenient. That’s something that can be said for literally every team.
Just yesterday’s game we had some slick movement and passing between our players. Shaw’s overlapping runs found multiple times by mata (beautiful diagonal ball) and Sanchez. Had Pogba played yesterday we would have had more penetrative passing (his one such pass created the second goal). Yesterday we played really well and carved them open many times.
Do you honestly think that we have been playing without cohesion attacking intent and intricate passing all season? Seriously?
FFS. If we’re full of delicate flowers who would let that affect them than that’s a far bigger problem than Sanchez. Ironically, I suspect that Mikhi may well be a very good example of one such delicate flower.Sanchez and Mkhi have very very different skill sets and characteristics. Mkhi does not yell at teammates as if the sky is falling down when the ball did not go his way even if he was a better option. Sanchez does that often, which I think it is very negative to the team.
Many people are already using this performance as further evidence that attacking, flair players cannot thrive under Mourinho - adding fuel to the fire that was already smouldering.Why is it so important for Mkhi to fail? With us, he never complined about being benched, never spoke against the manager, said that Mourinho knows what is right. It just did not work out for him. I am hoping he will actually do well at Arsenal.
Also, it is quite obvious our forwards are struggling a bit because of our over defensive nature. Even yesterday, Huddersfield were dire but were not troubled that much by us. They were always going to lose we should have dismantled a team like that.
Again full of mistakes.Slick movement and passing against the 19th placed team who had not won their last 7 matches before coming here? Keeping slapping your own shoulder on this wonderful achievement.
The fact is that yesterday, we struggled to break down our opponents sitting deep, like we usually do. Against Spurs, we were completely outdone, outsmarted and outplayed by their tactics and play.
Mourinho's record vs the top 6 has been beyond abysmal, his tactics in those matches extremely poor. Winning against the fodder teams is a start, but in order to win the league, we need to win comfortably against the top 6, which I don't see happening unless something drastic happens. And in UCL, I don't see us going past the quarters with this quality of football.
You're not picking the best passes and your teammate is letting you know it? Good. That's exactly how it should be.Sanchez and Mkhi have very very different skill sets and characteristics. Mkhi does not yell at teammates as if the sky is falling down when the ball did not go his way even if he was a better option. Sanchez does that often, which I think it is very negative to the team.
Sanchez is definitely better than him, no competition. Mkhitaryan is a good player who'll be great in the right circumstances, Sanchez will be great regardless of circumstances or systems.Thank you, that's a very good post. Much better than he's better than Pogba/Sanchez drivel we've seen from the Liverpool fan on here. It's laughable how @FCBarca(who's banned for wumming now) and @ShadesOfTomato have tried to wum here. Pathetic.
Spot on. It is the difference of the tactics of the managers and arsenal is very vulnerable for counter attack when the attack play breaks down.As telling as it was that as soon as Miki got a new start under a manager who showed faith in him and stuck him straight in, he pulls out a great performance, there are other reasons why it happened.
One of those reasons and why its easier for creative players to be creative at Arsenal is off the ball movement and freedom to make runs. Ramsey starts in a CM pairing in a 4-2-3-1 but he bombs forward past everyone to make runs that cause teams problems because they are occupied wih all the forward players. This can sometimes make Arsenal easy to counterattack as if the move breaks down, Ramsey isnt likely to get back into position unless the rest of the team holds up the counterattack or fouls to break it up. So Arsenal play a bit more open, commit more players forward to attacks and benefit from the system and team play to create chances. Meanwhile we're more rigid, cautious, commit only the front 4 foward and rely on 1 or 2 players to come up with a bit of magic together to create chances and goals. When the moves break down we're in a better shape defensively but its much harder for the attacking players to make something out of nothing. Arsenal trust the players to rarely lose the ball and get caught out and to break things up if it does happen. We don't. We expect a lot from little.
Arsenal are a side with a clear strength and a weakness. Whats our strength that we excel at over almost all the other teams? Height I guess. Although somehow we've managed to conceed more than most from set pieces and I'm not sure we've scored that many headers considering. But thats really all I can come up with as what our strength might be. So perhaps we're a balanced side that neither excels in attack nor defence but leaves a few less holes to exploit than Arsenal.
So onto Miki's performance. The options were always there for him to pick someone out and he was very capable of doing so. Its not like at United where he has just 1 or 2 people to pass to on our quick counters or he has to go it alone, Ramsey making it 4 options for Miki to find meant someone was always going to be in a dangerous position and likely untracked. It was a very good performance with great productivity, but lets see how it goes for 5 or 10 matches before we compare with Sanchez. As far as I'm concerned Sanchez clearly has the tougher task.
I agree, sometimes it doesnt work out with players at a club, he never really got going here, good luck to him.Why is it so important for Mkhi to fail? With us, he never complined about being benched, never spoke against the manager, said that Mourinho knows what is right. It just did not work out for him. I am hoping he will actually do well at Arsenal.
Also, it is quite obvious our forwards are struggling a bit because of our over defensive nature. Even yesterday, Huddersfield were dire but were not troubled that much by us. They were always going to lose we should have dismantled a team like that.
I disagree, we need to prioritise our biggest issue stopping us challenging for the title atm. Lack of goals against the top 6.who would you rather bring in? as i said i think we need to prioritize other parts of the squad. the attack should be the least of our worries
This. some folks are pathetic to want someone to fail just because at the time he didnt suit us, or in some cases were injured because of playing for us. I have wished player x or y would leave us at times, but never wished they flop elsewhere or get injured bad. They have gone just move onWhy is it so important for Mkhi to fail? With us, he never complined about being benched, never spoke against the manager, said that Mourinho knows what is right. It just did not work out for him. I am hoping he will actually do well at Arsenal.
Also, it is quite obvious our forwards are struggling a bit because of our over defensive nature. Even yesterday, Huddersfield were dire but were not troubled that much by us. They were always going to lose we should have dismantled a team like that.
You might want to watch a few more games there are lots of players who yell at teammates. Goalkeepers yell at defenders in anger quite often. The players are not so soft that a teammate yelling is going to damage them.Sanchez and Mkhi have very very different skill sets and characteristics. Mkhi does not yell at teammates as if the sky is falling down when the ball did not go his way even if he was a better option. Sanchez does that often, which I think it is very negative to the team.
Until we sell someone else.the new welbeck thread. this will be a wild ride
What happens if it’s a repeat of Swansea?Wow so much dislike and hate
Thought you guys actually liked mhiki. Oh well, think both clubs got good players for their team, regardless of the narrative of united getting the better player.
We are playing a team that completely destroyed united just few days ago next week so it's good opportunity to see how this mentally weak Armenian does then. If he excels, I expect this thread to blow up. I hope he does, I better stock up on the popcorn just in case.
You don't think sanchez is better then Mkhitaryan?Wow so much dislike and hate
Thought you guys actually liked mhiki. Oh well, think both clubs got good players for their team, regardless of the narrative of united getting the better player.
We are playing a team that completely destroyed united just few days ago next week so it's good opportunity to see how this mentally weak Armenian does then. If he excels, I expect this thread to blow up. I hope he does, I better stock up on the popcorn just in case.
It is never easy to play against Spur at their ground nowadays. It is very hard to deal with their high pressing and it is lucky to get away with a point. Spurs is a very very good team. Poch does an excellent job with the resource he has on hand. Top manager.What happens if it’s a repeat of Swansea?
He’s the new Welbeck, will blow up regardless for a while.
I think mhiki is a better fit for our team than Sanchez.You don't think sanchez is better then Mkhitaryan?