Mourinho vs De Boer: Clash of Words

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Hahahahahah :lol: he is right, statistically he is the worst manager ever.
 

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Good!
These pundits sit in their chairs slating our playing style, while their beloved all attacking LFC, get beaten.
I think it would be great if we won the CL, playing our style of pragmatic football - I'd love to see these football pundits who have failed as managers, cry themselves to sleep.
These pundits need to learn that while attacking football requires a lot of skill and tactical nous, so does playing a defensive/adaptive style. Being able to "shut down" the best attack in the league is not an easy thing to do and requires not only a great tactic, but also great skill, discipline and ability for our players to implement such a tactic.

The other thing that De Boer kept mentioning was the youth and how at Ajax they always give youth preference. Well...yes...you create a youth players and when they are ready, they get sold. His beloved Ajax (packed with youth players) got schooled by Jose in the EL final last year and he is probably still bitter about that.
 

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De Boer was out of line and his comments have no basis. He literally said it's a pity Rashford's managed by Mou. That's an attack right there and Mou has the right to defend himself. Mou has been great with our youngsters even though everybody said they didn't stand a chance with him as our manager. The media would do well to recognise that instead of constantly talking sh*t about him.
 
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Nothing manager mouthing off about Jose.

De Boer's comments were not analytical, they were downright disrespectful. Got what he deserved.
 

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I thought it was hilarious.

De Boer is a no mark so I suppose Jose should just rise above it but feck it. De Boer was talking shite and it's own fault he's been made to look silly by Mourinho.
 

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Frank deserves it. Bit too harsh from jose but you dish some you get some.

Nobody should tell another manager how to train their player, it's unprofessional. Let alone frank de boer telling mourinho how to coach his player.
 

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Also, love how all the pundits seem to have forgotten that period when Rashford wasn't scoring for 3 months last season yet Mourinho was consistently starting him.
 

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It's absolutely ridiculous anyway - we've scored 58 goals in the PL, one less than Tottenham and more than Chelsea and Arsenal

If not conceding goals whilst scoring goals at the other end is pragmatic and boring then I'm in favour of becoming even more pragmatic and boring next season!
 

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He gets what he deserved.

A nothing manager not even suited to lace Mourinho's boots as a manager talks like this ? He should have been ashamed of himself to start with.

If you're talking shite expect to get destroyed.
 

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How does Frank De Boer end up getting punditry work anyway? Surely a man who as Jose said lost 7 matches out of 7 without scoring a single goal isnt qualified to analyse football? I would happily bet money that a vast majority of the caf could set that palace team up to at least score a goal on individual quality alone.
 

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The whole 'it's a pity Mourinho is Rashford's manager' is just ludicrous for a pundit to say.
 

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That BT Sport clip sums up everything awful about football punditry. One of, if not the worst managers in the history of the Premier League, a bang average striker whose knowledge of management is 12 months at Lincoln City and a man who frankly did well not to suggest that Mourinho wasn't picking Rashford because he'd done something wrong in a previous life, being presented as some sort of brains trust. 30 seconds on Google by one of the producers would find the stats that prove every single one of, what they insist on calling, points wrong, but why do that when you can just present absolute bollocks as fact?

People point out that management at the top is an old boys club, the pundit game is even worse.
 

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How does Frank De Boer end up getting punditry work anyway? Surely a man who as Jose said lost 7 matches out of 7 without scoring a single goal isnt qualified to analyse football? I would happily bet money that a vast majority of the caf could set that palace team up to at least score a goal on individual quality alone.
You can change De Boer to almost every pundit and it doesnt look out of place tbh. If going by credential no ones in British pundit fits the bill. They are bunch of of past it manager and ex-pro who though the are good at it. Being able to analysed not the same being able to coach, everybody here can be a pundit i think.
 

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Damn, that was savage even by Mourinho's standards. The best part is that it is all true.
 

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I will never be against a manager putting a pundit down.
These guys feel they can have a go at anyone without repercussions.
 

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How does Frank De Boer end up getting punditry work anyway? Surely a man who as Jose said lost 7 matches out of 7 without scoring a single goal isnt qualified to analyse football? I would happily bet money that a vast majority of the caf could set that palace team up to at least score a goal on individual quality alone.
He is still Frank De Boer, a rather significant figure in recent European football history. Managed Ajax, Inter, assistant for Holland. Embarrassing spell in England but it does not mean he lacks knowledge of the game.

Would be staying away from punditry in the immediate aftermath of failure. i know Neville had some doubts but these egos are strong.
 

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He is still Frank De Boer, a rather significant figure in recent European football history. Managed Ajax, Inter, assistant for Holland. Embarrassing spell in England but it does not mean he lacks knowledge of the game.

Would be staying away from punditry in the immediate aftermath of failure. i know Neville had some doubts but these egos are strong.
He had an embarrassing spell at Inter to be fair. He's a horrible manager and does lack knowledge. He has "his way" and doesn't waver even when it clearly isn't working.
 

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He is still Frank De Boer, a rather significant figure in recent European football history. Managed Ajax, Inter, assistant for Holland. Embarrassing spell in England but it does not mean he lacks knowledge of the game.

Would be staying away from punditry in the immediate aftermath of failure. i know Neville had some doubts but these egos are strong.
He should be smarter enough in his response. Probably saying something ambigous not to sound too personal while retaining some critics.

What frank says is downright insulting for a manager of jose stature, and there's nothing smart and analytical on why he thinks jose is bad for rashford
 

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There was this German guy who played for Dortmund, talking absolute shite on Bein.
 

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People seem to be taking this as some sort of attack on mourinho as a whole rather than what it was

Murray had been talking about Rashford's run up to the world cup and started the idea of lack of playing time

I'd agree that what De Boer said in this instance is on the rather misinformed side, though he goes on to give fair points regarding the arrival of Sanchez

Very thin skin on Mourinho's part to respond like this though. Also equally misrepresenting the statistical truth, which is that De Boer only managed 4 PL games, not 7.

Also think this tendency to completely write off someone like De Boer's accomplishments and standing out of blind partisanship, as in this thread, is laughable.

What I will say is that De Boer is a very poor manager though, delusional about the way his own teams play(ed), and the things he says regarding football, and Ajax in particular, as a pundit never fail to baffle me.

On the other hand he's a very sympathetic man who lacks some subtlety in the way he says things, particularly in English, and to fight his corner a little he does have a solid track-record of top-class Premier League players developing under his management, such as Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen, and, though less impressive than the others, Blind.
 

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Fell bad for De Boer after this, got completely destroyed :lol:

He was a great player, and there are some who arent made for the manager job or punditry. De Boer is one of them.
 

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Absolutely fantastic from Jose, some of these pundits, journalists etc are infuriating and I’m glad they’re getting called out.
 

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For once, I am supporting Mou literally tear someone else to shreds. I sometimes feel that he crosses the line, but he was absolutely correct here. People have just made that image of Mou being a boring defensive football who doesn't give chances to youth. We are playing decent - good football, if not the most smashbuckling football. And as far as youth is concerned, he has absolutely proved every critic of his wrong. I didn't want him anywhere close to our club because of Martial and Rashford, and he has given them plenty of chances. Additionally, McTominay! Doubt any manager would have placed faith on a 21 year old rookie whose game is unattractive to the eye, to start against one of the best attacking sides in England. Mou may be the best thing that has happened to him- the maturity with which he plays, one can't tell if he's just a rookie!
The genius- Pep Guardiola preferred to play with 6 subs rather than giving youth a chance. Apart from Zinchenko, who has started featuring just recently because of injuries to Delph and Mendy. Foden has played in dead rubbers only. Don't remember any youngster being played by Conte (Christensen is having his 3rd season at senior level. He was capped by Denmark a couple of seasons ago!). Ditto with Pool and Spurs
 

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The whole 'it's a pity Mourinho is Rashford's manager' is just ludicrous for a pundit to say.
Sadly its the kind of thing you might read on here these days.
 
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