Transfer window is coming up. This is his antics to get more money to spend. He needs to have a good look at his tactics and change the way he wants us to play football.
Who are the 6 players Mourinho is saying lack desire?
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We will need to spend though. it's all good and well saying his style needs to change but the board needs to back him with funds for players in positions that are either ageing( Valencia) or not strong enough at the highest level eg LB , an attacking left sided player and another CM
He actually singled out Valencia and said the only reason he didn't take him off as well was because changing 2 fullback would have been overkill.
First you scare the shit out of every player, making them afraid to make any mistakes in a ultra defensive setup. You then spend a day or two training attacking football - you win the match, but you are not impressed – then you go out in public and blast them for ”being afraid to play” … a comment made by a sane persone? I am not so sure.
Thanks FF. Didn’t catch that bit. So that leaves one of Bailly and Smalling.
Pretty much.
I agree with you 100% about needing players. But Mourinho also needs to change his tactical approach in big games. No good bringing in Top players to play football in our own half.
Can't help but think Mourinho's in his meltdown stage already, I thought he'd have done it next season but seems it's coming a bit premature.
If I was a cynical man I'd say he's woken up to the fact he's not wanted at United, he's not good enough to get that squad competing with City and never will, and he's hoping for the boot between now and June so he can go off to Barca or PSG and back to looking great again. He just has the air of a man that's in above his head and he knows it, doing the classic narcissistical thing of deflecting blame onto everyone else, and still has the brass neck to humblebrag about his past achiements whilst doing it. I for one will be glad to see the back of him out of England, hopefully that'll be the last we see as well as none of the other big clubs would touch him. Horrible, odious little toad. As a rival I'd rather see United actually competing with City than playing catch up with that egotistical cretin in charge. If we ask nicely he might take Moyes, Pardew and Hughes with him cos they're all deluded, hateful individuals.
If I was a cynical man I'd say he's woken up to the fact he's not wanted at United, he's not good enough to get that squad competing with City and never will, and he's hoping for the boot between now and June so he can go off to Barca or PSG and back to looking great again. He just has the air of a man that's in above his head and he knows it, doing the classic narcissistical thing of deflecting blame onto everyone else, and still has the brass neck to humblebrag about his past achiements whilst doing it. I for one will be glad to see the back of him out of England, hopefully that'll be the last we see as well as none of the other big clubs would touch him. Horrible, odious little toad. As a rival I'd rather see United actually competing with City than playing catch up with that egotistical cretin in charge. If we ask nicely he might take Moyes, Pardew and Hughes with him cos they're all deluded, hateful individuals.
Really ask Mkhitaryan and Pogba
It doesn't matter who the six are, he did exactly the same at Chelsea x2, and he did it Real Madrid, the end is nigh, thank God
He does however want players to take responsibility. I get coaching is part of it but when you have senior players you don't need to do their thinking for them.
Look at his best Chelsea squad: Terry,Drogba,Lampard,Robben,Makelele,Carvalho. Add Matic to that list and you have the character and skill to win without being told how to!
I agree with his point that this is Utd they're playing for, not even Chelsea. It's more than a club. It's a fecking football institution alongside Liverpool and bit like the All BVlacks in rugby union.
Both demand you give everything...and a bit more. It's found out better players than we saw yesterday.
If they lack desire either motivate them or drop them.
Either way keep your fecking mouth shut and stop airing your dirty linen in public you muppet!
His stupid comments are likely turning the whole squad against him, which is the last thing we need when CL qualification is not yet guaranteed.
Either way keep your fecking mouth shut and stop airing your dirty linen in public you muppet!
His stupid comments are likely turning the whole squad against him, which is the last thing we need when CL qualification is not yet guaranteed.
Fergie:
Ronaldo: "It's hard when a player who wants to entertain doesn't get everything his own way,” Ferguson explained. “But you can't get everything your own way.”
Evans: "F*****g wake up," Ferguson screamed at the 22-year-old defender. "I was just giving him a bit of gentle advice," Ferguson said later.
Rooney: "I don’t know what Wayne was trying to do with the penalty," Ferguson fumed. "I was dumbstruck by that one."
"I think Wayne is the type of player who has to play on the edge in a game really," Ferguson told MUTV. “When it's a really close and competitive game. When it gets to that casual bit, he's worse than the rest of them. He gets so casual about it.”
Smalling: "If you lose a goal at a set-piece you only have yourself to blame at this level," Ferguson said. He later admitted it was a mistake to single out Smalling.
Rooney: "He is very stocky, he is going to have to train well all the time, there is no doubt about that.”
Nani: "We were playing really good football at that point and all we needed to do was see the game out by keeping possession. "But Nani decided to try and beat a player, lost the ball and they got a penalty kick against us.”
Rooney: "I took him off because Villa were a very fast, young side, full of running, and their substitute was running past Wayne."
How dare Mourinho criticise our poor handsomely paid players!?
Yes, we have still got some dead wood that needs to go and need some top players in certain areas, But we could look to bring in a Top Football coach also IMO.
Thank you. Perspective is a little bit lacking these days.
Does criticism of Ronaldo not remind of you something or someone? Paul... P
Or what about down the bottom about Rooney? Sounds a lot like Shaw.
He's right in many cases, we've got too many passengers in this squad who don't have the backbone to get stuck in and man up.
This boy annoys me, he has had a good season but you get the impression that its all a big joke and a laugh to him and he doesn't take football overly seriously all the time.
Is that it? 7 examples and 3 are the same player. He's also not exactly going near to the levels Mourinho has been here. Fergie 99% of the time would defend the team after losses and deflect blame to everyone else. He was a master at it. Mourinho does that sometimes but he also happily throws not just one of two players, but the whole team under the bus, when things aren't going his way.
Also I don't recall SAF ever having issues with keeping the dressing room in his side after criticism of players. Mourinho however...
Most of those were in the period of 2009-2013. I am sure there are more.
Just to add a little extra. The Ronaldo criticism came a few days before he scored a screamer against Porto. The Smalling one was during the title decider against City.
He also dropped Beckham against Leeds for arriving late to training a few days before.
It's still very little and you're really clutching at straws if you're using quotes like that to try and claim that SAF criticised his players like Jose does.
In their United careers, there's not a lot between them. Jose has rarely singled out a player and criticised him.
What I am saying is that it isn't something new.
I agree mate, Mata, althogh he hasnt scored many he’s looked sharp this season and always able to pick a good pass out. As for Lingard he’s improved so much from a good 16/17 season, scoring important goals in big matches. Last night was an off night for everyone except Matic and Lukaku.
But my post wasn't specific to when it's about single players. Jose has this nasty tendency to blame everyone but himself, i.e. his team, when things are going badly. SAF never did that. He'd blame everyone else, but never the team.
Jose Mourinho, pre-Madrid virtually never blamed his players. It was only after he had the battle with Casillas, Ramos etc. that he started publicly blaming his players. When the players downed tools at Chelsea he became even worse in that aspect.
It seems to me, that modern players seem to take protection from managers as granted, and will basically ride out the manager when things are going bad because player power is so strong. It's happening at virtually every top club, when the players under perform they just wait until the end of the season for a new manager and start winning again.
At least it bodes well for the future, that we at least have players like Sanchez and Pogba that are underperforming. If worse comes to worse, we can get rid of the manager and they will at least have a point to prove.
It seems to me, that modern players seem to take protection from managers as granted, and will basically ride out the manager when things are going bad because player power is so strong. It's happening at virtually every top club, when the players under perform they just wait until the end of the season for a new manager and start winning again.
At least it bodes well for the future, that we at least have players like Sanchez and Pogba that are underperforming. If worse comes to worse, we can get rid of the manager and they will at least have a point to prove.
You need to see this man's behaviour at Real
He is classless and a narcissist. He never does these things for players. He does it for himself. Telling a team that has won 3/4 Champions Leagues without him that they would never do it says a lot. The man is a horrible man manager and extremely self serving. The next appointment has to be right and we need to not allow glitz and money making to affect our planning for our season or buying players. I am sorry but Fergie was nothing like Mourinho. He protected his players more than crushing them.
Seems to remind me of guess the spies thread when Jose was at Chelsea
Fair play fo Mou to call them cnuts out publicly tbh. Some players think they won lottery when United signed the contract.
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When will he call himself out? He has fallen short himself. Certainly as it relates to Man Management. He is a huge part of the problems we face, not the solution. I have been resentful of those who have said Pep would be doing better with the players that we have but it's true. Klopp is playing far better football with a joke of a midfield and after losing his best player in January. Mourinho is tactically flawed but of course who wouldn't throw himself beneath the bus. He was an ass to the Real Madrid players including Cristiano and lost that battle because he wanted Ronaldo to work harder defensively and caused a civil war within the dressing room, was an ass at Chelsea including to De Bruyne and was embarrassed by Chelsea last season and now De Bruyne playing for Pep. The top two Prem players now were discarded by him and he will lose this battle too. He is too self serving. Man United and his players are secondary to his own ambitions.
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Whoever that doesn't name Shaw and Valencia is not worth their salt. Mourinho even name them in his post match conference. I seriously doubt some of you actually understand what is going on. Its like you were given two numbers to a winning lotto ticket and you still choose to pick other numbers. Shocking.
I think everyone would acknowledge that Jose is a great defensive coach. It must be awful to be managing a team where he can easily see our own tactical weaknesses.
Two old wingbacks who can put in great performances one week but can be found out or tired another game.
No attacking threat down the right wing / lack of genuine movement.
It doesn't take a tactical genius to stop us and we arrive in the box in 2s or 3s.
With attacking fullbacks and a right winger we would be overwhelming opposition with 4 or 5 players arriving in the box.
I think these comments are actually aimed at the money guardians at Old Trafford who refused to sanction extra cash for these positions.
Two old wingbacks who can put in great performances one week but can be found out or tired another game.
No attacking threat down the right wing / lack of genuine movement.
It doesn't take a tactical genius to stop us and we arrive in the box in 2s or 3s.
With attacking fullbacks and a right winger we would be overwhelming opposition with 4 or 5 players arriving in the box.
I think these comments are actually aimed at the money guardians at Old Trafford who refused to sanction extra cash for these positions.
most of the team lack desire, most look lost and have no confidence. cant be all the players fault, surely the buck has to stop with the manager. so far its been city have spent to much money, we aint spent enough, the players aint good enough, bullys the younger players, breaks the transfer record for a player and has no idea how to play him, signs a player for LW despite it being a area we have had pretty decent success this season with Martial and Rashford. says he only wants to play players in there proper position then does not do it. the mans excuses are embarrassing.
Reading posts i always wonder why people can't seperate the criticism and topics, so single track minded. It's always "yeah but Mou" as if only one person can be at fault.
I don't like the scale or criticism at the moment but i don't disagree with it. Matic interview on sky sports is spot on, basically Jose is difficult to work with because he always wants more but the players need to get used to it as they're at Man Utd.
That along with the LvG story again about players not reading his emails leads me to think some need to go. Keane would strangle half of this lot.
I don't like the scale or criticism at the moment but i don't disagree with it. Matic interview on sky sports is spot on, basically Jose is difficult to work with because he always wants more but the players need to get used to it as they're at Man Utd.
That along with the LvG story again about players not reading his emails leads me to think some need to go. Keane would strangle half of this lot.
I know, right? We really gotta get rid of the rose tinted lenses sometimes.
I'm sure there are more examples. The main point still stands.
Good post.
Rooney got the most of it.
Bugger off I already finished it!
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