Pre Premier League Draft Round 1 - Youngrell vs BeforeKeane

Who would win in the following draft game with all players at their peak?


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This is a Pre Premier League draft from 1971/72 to 1991/92 where managers assemble their squads by selecting players based on their playing performance during this time period only. Performances that fall outside this time period should not be considered. Neither should the players performance for their country/international tournaments be considered. As in any team, team tactics and balance also play a part.

Hence please carefully consider the abovesaid factors and evaluate the merits of both teams before voting for the team which in your opinion is likelier to win the match.

Team Youngrell



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Team BeforeKeanetherewasRobson



Tactics Team Youngrell


Goalkeeper - Ray Clemence

Clemence is one of the best keepers in the draft and the most successful by a long margin, claiming 5 league titles, 3 European Cups, 3 UEFA Cups and 3 FA Cups among other honours. He also gained over 60 caps despite playing during the same period as record cap winner Shilton, proving his level of ability. He holds the record for the least amount of goals conceded in a 42 game season (16). He has also featured in the PFA Team of the Year.

Left back - Alan Kennedy

Another stalwart of the great Liverpool side(s) of the 70s and 80s, he boasts 2 European Cups, having scored the winning goal in one final and the winning penalty in the other. Reliable and experienced, he steps up when called upon in big games.

Right back - Mike Duxbury

A youth product of Manchester United, Duxbury was a regular for the reds during the 1980s, sometimes filling in at centre back but most comfortable on the right. A winner of 2 FA Cups and selected in the PFA Team of the Year in 83/84.

Centre back - Alex McLeish

McLeish was ever present during Aberdeen's glory years under Alex Ferguson and is the third most capped player of all time for Scotland. Could also play in midfield but was best at centre back where he was famously chosen by Ferguson ahead of the great Alan Hansen for the 1986 World Cup. Winner of the SFWA Player of the Year in 1990.

Centre back - Steve Bould

Bould was part of the original famous back four at Arsenal who won the league title in 89 and 91 and was also voted as Arsenal's player of the season in 92. A very safe and reliable centre back who could also fill in at right back if needed.

Left midfield - Gary Speed

A key part of the impressive Leeds Utd team who won the league title in 92, Speed's versatility and consistency was a great asset for the club. Extremely dependable and a good goal scorer, providing a terrific threat in the air and at set pieces. Speed was one of the fittest professionals around and was equally adept in defence or attack. A true all rounder.

Right wing - Paul Merson

The creative spark in the formidable Arsenal side at the end of the 80s, Merson was a key component in winning 2 league titles and picked up the PFA Young Player of the Year Award along the way. A goal scorer and provider, Merse was a fans favourite and wore his heart on his sleeve.

Centre midfield - Paul Ince

The Guvnor was a tough tackling, energetic, box to box midfielder of the highest order. Incredible stamina and a will to win, he picked up FA Cup, League Cup and Cup Winners' Cup medals before going on to further success in the premier league and with England.

Centre midfield - Paul Gascoigne

Widely regarded as the most naturally gifted English player ever, Gazza was blessed with balance and speed that helped him breeze past opponents with ease. Creative and hard working, he was also excellent at set pieces and had an eye for the emphatic. Winner of a Young Player of the Year Award, selected in the PFA Team of the Year and the World Cup All Star Team in 1990.

Support striker - Matt Le Tissier

A mercurial talent, Le Tissier was as good at creating goals as he was scoring them. One of the best penalty takers of all time, he racked up 95 goals already during the draft period despite being more often linked to the early years of the premier league. Able to play across midfield or as a second striker, he had a knack for the spectacular and will surely thrive in a team with better players than he was used to at Southampton. PFA Young Player of the Year in 1990.


Striker - Ally McCoist

One of the best goal scorers in the draft period, McCoist is Rangers' highest goal scorer of all time and won 10 league titles with them (5 during draft period), 9 league cups (6) and a host of individual honours including SFWA Player of the Year and the European Golden Boot.

Tactics

Lining up in a classic 442 (or 4411 if being pedantic), I have purposely build a solid if unimaginative defence in order to give the best platform available for my impressively creative front 6. We have seen Ince and Gazza working well together for England so we know this can be a fruitful partnership in midfield. Both are hardworking but Ince will be tasked with more of the defensive work, allowing Gazza more freedom to create havoc in the opponents half. Speed also offers defensive cover for Gazza in midfield as he plays on the left hand side, covering in field when needed. He will also be looking to time runs into the box to get on the end of crosses with his impressive heading skills.

Merson will stay high and wide, being an outlet for defence and midfield with a view of whipping in crosses for the forwards. Le Tissier will drop in behind McCoist to help with creative duties and will also use his world class ability for long shots. McCoist is the fox in the box who will surely thrive on being supplied by his creative supporting cast. I see no way my side doesn't score lots of goals. We also have set pieces covered probably better than any other team.

Tactics Team BeforeKeanetherewasRobson

FORMATION/TEAM
  • It’s British football in the 70s and 80’s….. It’s 4-4-2?!
  • No ‘just getting in’ the draft - with the exception maybe of Irwin (but 4 good seasons at Oldham and 2 with United in time criteria), these are all players at their peaks (rough years in brackets)
  • Amazing talent throughout the team, but they are also winners with great mental attitude - none of your airy-fairy “look at me” players who wouldn’t put in the hard work and play for the team
IN POSSESSION
  • Either full-back allowed to push up and support/overlap respective wide player (other fullback stays back). Both fullbacks used to playing like this for respective clubs
  • Robson/McDermott act like a seesaw - one goes up, the other doesn’t. Very experienced and disciplined central midfielders who played in a midfield two regularly throughout careers
  • Mick Channon leads the line with McClair as second striker (bit like playing behind Hughes)
WITHOUT POSSESSION
  • More like a 4-1-4-1
  • McClair drops to support midfield (easy for him, started there with Celtic and could do/did do at various times for United)
  • Back four keep solid line, Robson drops slightly and gives extra cover in front of Chs (for any opposing No.10/second striker)
GOALIE : Bruce Grobbelaar (81-85), “clown” but great goalie and launched quick attacks
  • Massively under-rated goalie and eased in as perfect replacement/improvement when Clemence decided to leave
  • Every successful club needs a good goalie…. Every great team who win repeatedly over an era has to have a great goalie
  • 13 key medals (most of any Liverpool goalie) : 6 (SIX) League Titles, 3 F A Cup winner medals, 3 League Cup winner medals, European Cup winner
RIGHT BACK : Denis Irwin (88-92), attacking FB
  • Started with Leeds (but we’ll forgive him), then brought himself to people’s (Fergies) attention after four pretty much ever-present seasons at Oldham culminating in their great cup runs of 1990
  • Then became a United legend starting with being part of the 1991 ECWC winning team
  • Went on to more and more medals (outside this period) but superb from Day.1
CENTRE HALF : David O’Leary (84-91), solid CH, quick, good touch
  • Consistently good and amazing longevity. 722 appearances for Arsenal - a club record
  • Unfortunate not to be around during Arsenals later period of success/medals but still won 2 League Titles (including one which made Liverpool fans cry = brownie points?)
  • 2 F A Cup wins, 2 League Cup wins, 3 times in PFA Team of the Year
CENTRE HALF : Colin Todd (73-76), excellent positional sense, quick to read danger
  • Star from an early age (won FA Youth Cup under Clough), 1st team debut by 17 and Brian Clough bought him to be defensive rock for the forgotten (but excellent) Derby team of the early 70s
  • 2 League Titles and (a sign of his respect with his peers), Players Player of the year 1975
  • 3 times PFA team of the year (74/75/76) and over 600 league appearances
LEFT BACK : Pat “Pyscho” van den Hauwe (84-87), uncompromising FB, very fast
  • Established fullback for a few seasons before Everton move in 1984 and part of the best Everton side ever
  • 2 League Titles, ECWC winner then moved to Spurs and won the F A Cup. Over 400 league appearances
LEFT WING : Gordon Hill (73-78), old-fashioned winger who scored... lots
  • Started with Millwall and loved there and called Merlin because of his magic feet
  • Very unlucky to play for United between success of the 60s and before we turned the corner in the 80s but even in an average United team, Hill looked great and superb hard-working team player
  • Tricky and hard-working left winger, with great cross but superb shot/goal-scoring record - 51 goals in 134 games for us. Sold by Sexton, one of millions of stupid decisions that Sexton made
LEFT CENTRE MIDFIELD : Terry McDermott (76-81), amazing B2B Mfer, great touch/shot
  • Key part of probably Liverpool’s best era (mid 70s - early 80s). The attacking foil to Souness’ defensive game (better player than him) and the link to the attack
  • 5 League Titles (in 7 seasons), 3 European Cup wins, 1 UEFA Cup win and 2 League Cup wins
  • 1980 : PFA Team of the year, PFA Players Player of the year, FWA Player of the year!
RIGHT CENTRE MIDFIELD : Bryan Robson (81-91), the lot
  • Excellent player for (a very good) West Brom team - 1 in 5 goal-scoring record - before becoming British Transfer fee record (and worth every penny) and moving to United
  • 2 League Titles, 3 F A Cup wins, 1 ECWC win, 6 teams PFA team of the year
  • Club captain for 12 years, the best midfielder in this draft…. Captain Marvel, legend, god
RIGHT WING : Trevor Steven (82-86), right-sided midfielder more than old style winger
  • 1st team debut at 18 before Howard Kendall saw his potential and signed him in 81 to become another member of the superb mid-80s Everton team. Then moved to Rangers as part of the English invasion and more success
  • Everton : 2 League titles, F A Cup win, ECWC win (scored in semi and final)
  • Rangers (in draft time period) : 2 League titles, 1 Cup win
SECOND STRIKER : Brian McClair (86-94), goal-scorer, excellent as part of a two
  • Big move to Celtic in 1983 and scored 99 league goals in 145 games. League title and cup winner, top league scorer twice and 1987 was (Scottish) peak - 35 league goals, top scorer, Players player of the year, Writers player of the year
  • Man United for 12 seasons and in first season, became an instant legend by becoming first player since Best to get 20 league goals in a season. Won the fans Matt Busby player of the year award
  • In the draft time period, over 100 goals in 5 seasons for United, so 200+ 83-92
STRIKER/No 9 : Mick Channon (71-77), goal-scorer, out and out No.9, wonderful touch/shot
  • Southampton legend - over a decade, sustained threat with185 goals (club all-time top scorer)
  • F A Cup winner, League Cup winner
  • 4 times PFA team of the year

SUMMARY
  • Great individual ability
  • Played peak in 4-4-2's
  • Strong mental attitude and team players
  • Winners - over 20 League titles, shed-loads of cups, numerous European trophies and awrds from fellow pro's
 

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How do each manager view each flank battle playing out ?
 

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When quoting honors, it's better to avoua team wins, especially in Europe which is irrelevant. Stick with personlp honors only as in Player/Team of the year etc.

How good was LeTiss in this period? I thought hell's peak was 1993 and after.

All. Welcome comments (good or bad) and will try and respond to any questions regarding players, format.

Will post some player posts later...
What do you think about the opposition? How will you win?
 

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When quoting honors, it's better to avoua team wins, especially in Europe which is irrelevant. Stick with personlp honors only as in Player/Team of the year etc.

How good was LeTiss in this period? I thought hell's peak was 1993 and after.
I asked at the start of the draft if we are taking European performances for the club into account and I was told yes European performances are taken into account. So that is relevant if for instance a player scored the game winner in a European Cup final.
 

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I'm having a tough time with this one. Both sides are well constructed IMO with a few players I really like. I feel like one of the flank battles will decide this and hopefully one of you lads will convince me!
 
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When quoting honors, it's better to avoua team wins, especially in Europe which is irrelevant. Stick with personlp honors only as in Player/Team of the year etc.

How good was LeTiss in this period? I thought hell's peak was 1993 and after.

What do you think about the opposition? How will you win?
Love Le Tissier as a player tbh - scored some beautiful individual goals and made them look effortless. Thought he'd play as he is here and while I think Todd is fine with him (classy and v.quick), as I put in my write-up, Robson will help shield the defence from a No.10 style player - as we all know, Robson wasn't just about driving forward, he was an excellent reader of the game and tackler. Hand on heart, I think a massively talented/experienced back four with Robson stopping a lot of things before they happened, will be fine.

In terms of McCoist, a good finisher but needed supply (he isn't single-handedly creating goals?).... where's that going to come from?
  • As good as Ince was (maybe a couple of years later than this draft), a MF of Ince/Gazza is getting no joy at all against McDermott/Robson
  • Merson is getting diddly v Irwin (even pre-PL Irwin..... remember his performance for Oldham against us in the 1990 FA Cup semi?!! No wonder SAF bought him)
  • Speed/PVDH match-up is ideal... Speed was reasonably quick but strong. Before Stuart Pearce got his nickname, Everton has labelled PVDH "Pyscho" - try and run him, he'd stick to you like a limpet.... try and be physical, you're likely to get stuck into the hoardings
  • And you're talking about an average player in Merson, a youngish Ince, a young Speed and a MFer in Gazza who made Scholes tackles look well-timed. They're up against peak McDermott (better than Souness in speed, vision, technique, goal-scoring.... everything apart from fouling), a peak Robson (best MFer... player? in this draft), a peak PVDH and Irwin who had 6 very good seasons before the draft time deadline
I see the centre being controlled by TMc and Robson... without much ball, Gazza and Le Tissier aren't getting much of a chance and if they don't, McCoist def isn't. I think Le Tissier, Gazza and McCoist maybe need a Peter Reid/Souness/Moses/Wilkins player sitting and doing all the donkey work THEN allowing them to get the ball and go forward.
 

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@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson (you'll probably go nuts for even questioning that duo) but I'm just wondering are Robson and Mcdermott an ideal pairing as brilliant as they were. Considering their stamina, lungs and ability to run all over the pitch I can see them covering most of the field but didn't both of them like to get some security behind which will free them in their forward runs from the deep.
Theoretically, one stays and the other run forward as you say, but in reality, both of them liked to do it. Must say, I know Mcdermott only from what I read about him, so could be wrong.
 
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I'm having a tough time with this one. Both sides are well constructed IMO with a few players I really like. I feel like one of the flank battles will decide this and hopefully one of you lads will convince me!
Evening, right jobs done, Peroni opened.... we're off.

Personally I think the MF will be a key in this game and as per previous post, I have the best MFer and in my/plenty of eyes, player in this draft (yes, Dalglish has a claim I get that. But playing with great teams/players for years and years, unlike Robson?), but you're right @oneniltothearsenal the flanks will be important.

I picked Hill because he was a 'proper' winger. If you're a big CF and decent in the air, he'll pick you out.... if you're a fast CF and like quick ball, he was speedy and a lovely eye for a pass, but also, HE SCORED GOALS. Compare him vs Merson (not really a left winger, got most goals more centrally) who scored 78 goals for a strong Arsenal team in 11/12 seasons (6/season?). Hill got 51 in just 3 seasons with United playing in a much-loved but average side? In 77, the clubs top goalscorer with 22... from left wing?!

1976 FA Cup semi - score both goals, first one showed good holdup, ability to turn/support and a superb finish


And when the 70s team got the chance to play in Europe, he scored then..... the opposition, Juventus. The defence - Zoff, Scirea, Gentile, etc!

50 seconds in, apologies for the Italian dubbed sound
 

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I am interested in hearing how Ince is perceived here.. I feel his best performances came in the premier league I.e. after the draft window. Same with Le Tissier

There is a lot to like about Robson/McDermott but is there enough defensive qualities in there to stop Gaza?
 
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@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson (you'll probably go nuts for even questioning that duo) but I'm just wondering are Robson and Mcdermott an ideal pairing as brilliant as they were. Considering their stamina, lungs and ability to run all over the pitch I can see them covering most of the field but didn't both of them like to get some security behind which will free them in their forward runs from the deep.
Theoretically, one stays and the other run forward as you say, but in reality, both of them liked to do it. Must say, I know Mcdermott only from what I read about him, so could be wrong.
Evening, not at all. I understand that "the norm" is one attacking MFer/one more defensive and that was an easy option for me - I thought long and hard about a Moses, Wilkins, Reid, etc. When my pick came round, Ray Wilkins had just died and I almost picked him as I thought voters may think "it worked for United, it'll work here". If I could only have picked a pure attacking MFer or an average B2B, then I'd have picked Wilkins but these aren't two average players and neither were limited/pigeon-holed.

It doesn't matter what I think, we all know Robson was special? and it wasn't because he was only special at one type of midfield play. Robson mainly did what he did because Wilkins/Moses sat and Big Ron liked that set-up (I get that) but Robson showed time and again for United (and England) that he could drop, tackle, shield, read a play, intercept, head, you name it?

As much as we'd all love to say "McDermott played for Liverpool, he was shite!" ... he wasn't. In fact, he was similar to Robson in that while his main game was B2B with Souness sitting more, that was because that suited Souness's style and not because McDermott couldn't play the defensive role when needed. If we count Dalglish as a forward, I'd say McDermott was the best MFer for Liverpool I've ever seen (more to come).

In short, this isn't two attacking MFers and one of them shoe-horned into sitting ... this is two wonderful, complete MFers who can do it all and (as the write-up says), if one goes, the other sits.
 
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PS - @Jim Beam .... 26 seconds in (just after he's scored another great finish), there's a very good example of what I meant..... defending deep, getting the ball, getting away from two players, passing it (to Moses, who WAS a defensive MFer and nearly makes a pigs ear of it!), then to cap it all, running 70 yards and finishing the cross.

As I said, he had it all?

 

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How good was LeTiss in this period? I thought hell's peak was 1993 and after.
Le Tissier racked up 95 goals in domestic competition prior to the PL, including 15, 19 and 20 goal seasons. He was already a class act.

I think Le Tissier, Gazza and McCoist maybe need a Peter Reid/Souness/Moses/Wilkins player sitting and doing all the donkey work THEN allowing them to get the ball and go forward.
Ince is in there to win the ball for Gazza et al, he was an excellent tackler and could also play a bit himself.

I am interested in hearing how Ince is perceived here.. I feel his best performances came in the premier league I.e. after the draft window. Same with Le Tissier
It's true that Ince had more success in the following years but his performances for West Ham had already earned him a big money move to United and he has three very good seasons at Old Trafford during the draft period.
 

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It's easy to glance at my team and think there's a lot of troublemakers/slackers there, but all of these players played with superb fitness and energy during the draft period, their troubles arriving much later.

It looks like a team of bad boys but they were all full of youthful energy, aggression and spirit.
 

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PS - @Jim Beam .... 26 seconds in (just after he's scored another great finish), there's a very good example of what I meant..... defending deep, getting the ball, getting away from two players, passing it (to Moses, who WAS a defensive MFer and nearly makes a pigs ear of it!), then to cap it all, running 70 yards and finishing the cross.

As I said, he had it all?
You'll never hear me say otherwise. He and Big Norm would be my favourite players as a kid and just yesterday started reading Robbo's autobiography for the third time. I was just perceiving that both of them, as their natural instinct is and when the ball is won, would start rushing forward leaving sometimes the gap behind them.

One thing, though, is that Robson was well disciplined when he had to be (as you say) and both him and McDermott were team players, aside from their exceptional individual quality.

Thank you for a thorough explanation. Will vote a bit later after little more debate. I really like the look of both teams, must say.
 
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How many players play for a good side for 700+ games? Not many.

There's a reason David O Leary played for Arsenal for 722 games - in the hard 70's, the fast 80s and the even faster 90s (with more foreign players/styles), he was always deemed good enough by a succession of Arsenal managers.

And the fans agreed, despite the 90's/00's being current in fans minds (10 of the top 13 are from that period) and all the players Arsenal have had, O'Leary comes 14th in their all-time poll - Adams is the only defender higher than him. (Arsenal.com).

Great positional sense, timely tackler, excellent in the air and comfortable on the ball.
 
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You'll never hear me say otherwise. He and Big Norm would be my favourite players as a kid and just yesterday started reading Robbo's autobiography for the third time. I was just perceiving that both of them, as their natural instinct is and when the ball is won, would start rushing forward leaving sometimes the gap behind them.

One thing, though, is that Robson was well disciplined when he had to be (as you say) and both him and McDermott were team players, aside from their exceptional individual quality.

Thank you for a thorough explanation. Will vote a bit later after little more debate. I really like the look of both teams, must say.
Are you my long lost brother? See my name and my "location". Loved Norm.
 
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I'm having a tough time with this one. Both sides are well constructed IMO with a few players I really like. I feel like one of the flank battles will decide this and hopefully one of you lads will convince me!
Right, peroni's gone.... on to the Stella. (Caf drafts are turning me into an alky).

Trevor Steven taking on a FB/crossing - F A Cup Final (25 seconds in)


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Another great cross (3:25 in)

Steven showing pace, strength and a finish (and with his wrong foot). 4:20 in

Example of how sharp he was. 5:50 in


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You mentioned Duxbury? Solid FB, well liked by United fans, but "ok" not class tbh? Steven would skin him
 
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:lol: Just seen the location, that goal was probably my first memory of United... As for the long lost brother, maybe my uncle was. I was just a little boy who lapped up everything he said about them. :)
First visit to Wembley. Apart from crowd issues, nearly missing bus home and being threatened with a knife by an Everton fan...... GREAT day. :cool:
 
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Trevor Steven

Liverpool Echo journalists asked to pick their AT XI and Trevor Steven was right winger.

Toffeeweb website (and no excuses for copying as it sums up what I saw with Steven)....

"£300,000 was a considerable transfer fee for a 19-year-old footballer in 1983. Nevertheless, the 19-year-old in question was a player of considerable talent and potential – Trevor Steven, a quiet north-easterner who had been impressing Howard Kendall for two years at Burnley before the Everton boss finally took the plunge and signed him.

The attributes Kendall liked in the young winger were the kind of pace and ball control that could leave defenders floundering and a powerful shot. As Everton revived in the spring of 1984, Steven, along with fellow winter absentee Peter Reid, made a telling contribution to the triumphant FA Cup campaign. His was the cross which Andy Gray buried to make the score 2-0 in the Final, and finish off a spirited Watford challenge.

The following season, with Steven now obviously settled into the side, the midfield four of him, Reid, Paul Bracewell and Kevin Sheedy set about supplying Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp with copious ammunition as Everton blazed their way to the League Championship and European Cup-Winners' Cup. Steven preferred the right wing, but was effective down either flank and indeed capable enough to deputise as a striker, as he did in the first leg of the Cup-Winners' Cup semi-final v. Bayern Munich in Germany."


@oneniltothearsenal quote earlier "I asked at the start of the draft if we are taking European performances for the club into account and I was told yes European performances are taken into account. So that is relevant if for instance a player scored the game winner in a European Cup final." Steven could turn it on in big games - he scored in the semi against Bayern (see 1:20 below, lovely finish) and the first goal to set them on the way in the final. Just a cool, gifted player.

 
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The music's shit, the saves aren't.


Amazing that he gets remembered for the rubber legs in the European Cup Final... that, the hand-stands at Wembley and the silly faces shouldn't overshadow what an excellent goalie he was (for the wrong team). And remember, this is the man that slapped Steve McManaman (his team-mate) in a scouse derby so .... kudos?

As we all know so well, you can have a great defence but you still need a goalie behind you? Wobbly start but once settled at Liverpool, a decade of success with great saves helped by his natural athletic/gymnastic ability. From 81-mid 87/88 season, he didn't miss a match and he ended up with similar league and total appearances to Clemence, showing that when Clemence dumped Liverpool for Spurs (great decision :eek:) Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish were all comfortable with him as their No.1.

His peak years were hampered by the 6-year ban on English clubs in Europe or there was a good chance that he/Liverpool could have added to the EC total (god forbid). But he showed his worth in the comps he could be in with six league titles and six domestic cups.
 

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@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Cheers for the videos, great stuff there and gives a good picture on the side. Don't have a bad word to say about O'Leary, great player really who get finding ways to reinvent himself.

I pour another scotch and soda for myself before I decide on voting (or wait for more videos).
 

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Someone questioned whether Robson/McDermott had enough defensive stability to tie down Gazza and I'd say no. I don't see anyone stopping these mazy, drives through the middle for a full 90, and if they happen to bring him down to stop him, chances are he sticks the free kick in the top corner.

Enjoy...


There's even footage of him ghosting in front of Robbo for a goal.
 

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Trevor Steven

Liverpool Echo journalists asked to pick their AT XI and Trevor Steven was right winger.

Toffeeweb website (and no excuses for copying as it sums up what I saw with Steven)....

"£300,000 was a considerable transfer fee for a 19-year-old footballer in 1983. Nevertheless, the 19-year-old in question was a player of considerable talent and potential – Trevor Steven, a quiet north-easterner who had been impressing Howard Kendall for two years at Burnley before the Everton boss finally took the plunge and signed him.

The attributes Kendall liked in the young winger were the kind of pace and ball control that could leave defenders floundering and a powerful shot. As Everton revived in the spring of 1984, Steven, along with fellow winter absentee Peter Reid, made a telling contribution to the triumphant FA Cup campaign. His was the cross which Andy Gray buried to make the score 2-0 in the Final, and finish off a spirited Watford challenge.

The following season, with Steven now obviously settled into the side, the midfield four of him, Reid, Paul Bracewell and Kevin Sheedy set about supplying Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp with copious ammunition as Everton blazed their way to the League Championship and European Cup-Winners' Cup. Steven preferred the right wing, but was effective down either flank and indeed capable enough to deputise as a striker, as he did in the first leg of the Cup-Winners' Cup semi-final v. Bayern Munich in Germany."


@oneniltothearsenal quote earlier "I asked at the start of the draft if we are taking European performances for the club into account and I was told yes European performances are taken into account. So that is relevant if for instance a player scored the game winner in a European Cup final." Steven could turn it on in big games - he scored in the semi against Bayern (see 1:20 below, lovely finish) and the first goal to set them on the way in the final. Just a cool, gifted player.

Yes, quality player. Technically good, head-up, pass-and-move, hard worker. Perfect wide midfielder for a 4-4-2, the sort of player English football was good at producing particularly in the 1980s and 1990s. Might be the most expensive player in the draft (?) given Marseille spent £5.5m to bring him to France in 1991. Good in the centre too - worth listening to the commentary in this video as well as having a gander at his goal.

 

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A few observations:
  • Both teams are well drafted with quality and well crafted as XIs
  • A lot of love for youngrell's central midfield and striker duos - can see that working together really well. Le Tissier/McCoist have a hell of a lot of goals in them and peak Gazza can leave anyone for dead (even the calibre of CM he's up against here). Might be the best central attacking unit in the draft (granted haven't seen them all yet).
  • Like the McLeish/Bould duo. Again probably not the most visible selling points, but McLeish was an Adams-esque warrior for that great Aberdeen side of the 1980s and Bould's understated defensive nous blends well.
  • Probably not as sold as Beforekeane on Grobbelaar's level - some of the old footage I've watched recently reiterates that impression of a great mover and matchwinner who was guilty for the odd blunder.
  • But that defence is rock solid and O'Leary doesn't get the dues his performances merit IMO. Todd's a top centre-half in this pool too.
  • Thought McDermott was top banana and a really under-appreciated player. I'd agree that him and Robbo playing together might not be absolutely maximising one another's attacking instincts. And Robbo dropping back into the hole in front of the CBs might not dovetail with his instinctive pressing game (albeit good for shutting out service into the front two's feet). That said, I'd agree that those two are proper all-rounders who would still make it work.
  • Would like to know a bit more about Duxbury before deciding on how he fares against Hill.
 
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Yes, quality player. Technically good, head-up, pass-and-move, hard worker. Perfect wide midfielder for a 4-4-2, the sort of player English football was good at producing particularly in the 1980s and 1990s. Might be the most expensive player in the draft (?) given Marseille spent £5.5m to bring him to France in 1991. Good in the centre too - worth listening to the commentary in this video as well as having a gander at his goal.

Thanks.

I get Gray's comment as despite being an excellent right sided midfielder who could take FBs on, cross, score.... Steven had the ability/touch/technique/speed of thought to play more central (the goal you shared there is a bit Platt-ish?).

Add heading to the list..... that's a No.9 style header?

 

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Thanks.

I get Gray's comment as despite being an excellent right sided midfielder who could take FBs on, cross, score.... Steven had the ability/touch/technique/speed of thought to play more central (the goal you shared there is a bit Platt-ish?).

Add heading to the list..... that's a No.9 style header?

His timing in arriving into the box was impressive. Can see how he scored so freely for Everton at times.

From a Rangers perspective, he sort of reminds me of Steven Davis, as a right/central mid hybrid, neat and tidy, technically adept, etc. Trev was better though, a 'rolls royce of a player' as journo Gary Naylor described him recently.
 
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A variety of goal types from Gordon 'Merlin' Hill.

From research, seems he was a practical joker, quite a few stories about him. But the key was...

"Hill might be termed an enigma; or to put it another way, he was scatterbrained. But my, how he could play,” said the former Busby Babe John Doherty, who remained close to the club. “He had a left peg to die for and, for a winger, his scoring record was nothing short of sensational.”
 
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  • Thought McDermott was top banana and a really under-appreciated player.
Top banana indeed;
  • 1977 : only 4 goals but one was first goal in the European Cup Final vs strong Borussia MGB team, Vogts, Stieleke, Bonhof, et al (10 seconds in, first video. Great run/finish)
  • 1977 : scores hat-trick vs Hamburg (Kaltz, Magath, Keegan, et al) in Euro Super Cup Final
  • 1977 : scores Goal of the Season versus Everton in a FA Cup semi (second video)
  • 1978 : another European Cup Final win, 8 goals
  • 1978 : great goal v Spurs showing B2B ability. 70 yard run and superb headed finish (third video)
  • 1979 : 8 goals
  • 1980 : 16 goals, PFA Team of the year, PFA Player of the year, Football Writers Player of the year (first player to EVER do this)
  • 1980 : Majestic goal v Spurs (Goal of the season too?). Cantona-esque. Fourth video
  • 1981 : Joint top scorer in the European Cup. 22 goals in total
  • 1982 : 20 goals
Medals, lots of goals, lots of great goals, lots of important goals, POTY awards....