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I miss Rafael and Nani. No-one who's played on the right since they left has done better than them. This club has always been about wing play. We've had the best wingers play for us. Best, Giggs, Beckham, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo. It's in our DNA to play fast attacking football with a 4-4-2 formation using both wings but these days our wing play is non existent. Fullbacks and Wingers.
No, you're clueless. Rafael can't defend. Nani was an inconsistent flake. /s

What's even the point of Valencia nowadays. We have the worst collection of fullbacks amongst the top clubs in Europe. It's like we are a Sunday league team, who put the worst players there just to make up the numbers. Top level football doesn't work that way. Full backs are very important in top level football.
 

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I always liked Rafael. What happened to Rafael :(
He kept selling goals by making stupid mistakes and being rash most the time he played. Loved his energy and commitment though but his injury record was appalling also. Should have never been sold until we got in better as he was a good squad player much like Evans, Nani, Fletcher also but we’d need to ask LVG as he spunked about £100m on this lot to replace them Rojo Depay Morgan and Darmain. Not to mention Blind and his only hits Romero and a player like Martial that can’t hold down a place but has a great ceiling in potential and a youth product he luckily fielded when injuries depleted our squad.
 

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I'm sure we'll bring in a proper right winger to replace Martial but there's been nothing linking us to a proper right back so think that'll be waiting for another year while we prioritise midfield and leftback.
Yeah, we didn't have a right winger too but we weren't linked with even a single RW. Winger we were linked with most was Perisic and he is a LW who likes to cut inside.

We need fullbacks and a right winger more than other positions.
 

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Problem is once we solve one problem, another arises and eventually we go full circle back to the original problem.

So we’ll go and solve RB and RW this summer, but then we’ll find we have an issue with the forwards the following year.

We’ve signed a shitload of players in the last 4 years. Nobody seems capable of sustaining more than 12-18 months of good form, and then they’re off.

4 of our starting back 5 are fergie’s signings. With two of those not even defenders!? I can’t comprehend that at all.
 

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No, you're clueless. Rafael can't defend. Nani was an inconsistent flake. /s

What's even the point of Valencia nowadays. We have the worst collection of fullbacks amongst the top clubs in Europe. It's like we are a Sunday league team, who put the worst players there just to make up the numbers. Top level football doesn't work that way. Full backs are very important in top level football.
I think Jose knows buddy but since he’s come in he’s been shovelling the Shiite from previous managers. The deadwood he’s shifted (no one has done great leaving) has been quite the amount with more to be shipped out this summer and I’d imagine the club and manager would be delighted with offers for the following:
Darmain, Jones, Smalling, Herrera, Mata, Shaw, Darmain, Blind, (Carrick, Zlatan, Fellaini no fees) and Rojo these guys are all their for the taking if any decent offer comes in. This is a big summer window for Jose and we can expect 3 or 4 top players coming in. But I’m all behind the manager as the job he’s doing is very good (albeit style not great yet) but keep us top 4 till we build our team again and he’s doing it well.
 

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Imagine peak Nani on our right flank this season...

Right back has to be a priority in the summer, and as for RW, buying a quality right winger would eat up a large portion of our budget. One of Rashford or Martial will just have to try make themselves right sided players cause as it seems right now unless your name is Alexis Sanchez or Romelu Lukaku you aren't starting on the left or through the middle.
 

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Yeah, we didn't have a right winger too but we weren't linked with even a single RW. Winger we were linked with most was Perisic and he is a LW who likes to cut inside.

We need fullbacks and a right winger more than other positions.
Whilst I agree with you I think midfield is missing a signing or two in there but I guess we are not budget less. But Imagine a Dier in their with Matic or Pogba and with a Nevus or Golovin or Mctominay all to come off the bench instead of Herrera and Fellaini (done well in parts to be fair). But I cannot help Remember the days we had Nani Hargreaves and Ando as the rescue act of the bench we won so many points of them or so it felt a bit like City bench this season. Would be great having young players coming on as well and in our squad and I hope to see more Mctominay, TFM, Tunzabe and I’d love Mitchell in as back up left back than suffer Shaw for another season for him as much as us also.
 

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Imagine peak Nani on our right flank this season...

Right back has to be a priority in the summer, and as for RW, buying a quality right winger would eat up a large portion of our budget. One of Rashford or Martial will just have to try make themselves right sided players cause as it seems right now unless your name is Alexis Sanchez or Romelu Lukaku you aren't starting on the left or through the middle.
And to be fair at this stage to the manager Sanchez and Lukaku are much the better players.
 

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Whilst I agree with you I think midfield is missing a signing or two in there but I guess we are not budget less. But Imagine a Dier in their with Matic or Pogba and with a Nevus or Golovin or Mctominay all to come off the bench instead of Herrera and Fellaini (done well in parts to be fair). But I cannot help Remember the days we had Nani Hargreaves and Ando as the rescue act of the bench we won so many points of them or so it felt a bit like City bench this season. Would be great having young players coming on as well and in our squad and I hope to see more Mctominay, TFM, Tunzabe and I’d love Mitchell in as back up left back than suffer Shaw for another season for him as much as us also.
We should sign someone like Ruben Neves who can play defense splitting passes from deep. Under SAF we had Scholes and Carrick who sprayed passes effortlessly to the wingers who then went one on one with fullbacks and created chances. Now we don't have anyone who can do that, so by the time our wingers gets the ball, teams are back into their defensive shape.

We need a midfielder who has good range and also can pass between lines.
 

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No, you're clueless. Rafael can't defend. Nani was an inconsistent flake. /s

What's even the point of Valencia nowadays. We have the worst collection of fullbacks amongst the top clubs in Europe. It's like we are a Sunday league team, who put the worst players there just to make up the numbers. Top level football doesn't work that way. Full backs are very important in top level football.
Rafael and Nani may have had some weaknesses but we actually won league titles with them in the team and they gave us excitement and the element of unpredictability. What I'm saying is that since they left no-one has done better than them on our right flank. Whatever happens if we don't buy new fullbacks in the summer we're not going anywhere.
 

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I think we should have kept Zaha and it seems he's available again - we should tempt him back.

If City take him (as it seems!) they will be even more unstoppable!
 

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We should sign someone like Ruben Neves who can play defense splitting passes from deep. Under SAF we had Scholes and Carrick who sprayed passes effortlessly to the wingers who then went one on one with fullbacks and created chances. Now we don't have anyone who can do that, so by the time our wingers gets the ball, teams are back into their defensive shape.

We need a midfielder who has good range and also can pass between lines.
Agree but Dier would also add much with his organisation, ball winning skills, leadership, Ariel strength, good ball retention and stability to our defence. So I can definitely see merit in signing both or Golovin instead of Neves but Dier would be my first choice if only one.
 

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I think we should have kept Zaha and it seems he's available again - we should tempt him back.

If City take him (as it seems!) they will be even more unstoppable!
So that with Zaha and Mahrez added to their bench next season bloody hell but you know what I’m easy with that on another level as they’ll be some unhappy players their as only 11 can start. I’d imagine Pep will shift out Aguero to perhaps balance out numbers though. Challenging times reminds me of when SAF has to raise the bar against Jose Chelsea team.
 

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Every time I see Mata's name on the team sheet, I know exactly how the game is going to go. No width and no pace on the right wing. No balance at all and a generally crap team performance (and thats not Mata's fault, but he should never be playing RW). We don't even have a right winger in the squad, its ridiculous.
 

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Must admit I didn't see yesterday's game, I only had radio coverage, but sometimes that can be quite telling, when the commentary repeatedly mentions the same failings. Time and again yesterday it was....
"....plays it out wide to Valencia" (There is no one else out there other than Valencia).
"....Valencia plays it backwards"
"....Valencia crosses but its intercepted by the first defender"
"....Valencia crosses but its behind Lukaku"
"....Valencia crosses but over hits it"
"....Valencia crosses, headed away"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to make Valencia a scapegoat for an all round awful 'team' performance, but clearly just by listening to the commentary you'd grasp that there is an obvious problem there.
 
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Alot of hate constantly for Young and Valencia, am I the only one who thinks they do a good job? They get forward and when we need to defend they come sprinting back and keeping up with their man.

Nani-esque winger would be beautiful on the right, even though Nani was hit or miss alot of the time.

Some people are addressing the left wing, I honestly think its our lack of Left footed LW. We have right footed left wingers who don't want to cross on their left foot and cut in all the time to be on their right. Even our overlapping LB of choice is right footed.
 
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I can't remember the last time we utilised an overlap effectively, or created a 2 vs 1 out wide.

On our right, it's literally given to Valencia who is stood out there on his own, and he's asked to do it all himself. This would be fine if he wasn't shit at beating his man, and wasn't shit at crossing the ball, but he's shit at both. Yet this has been our tactic all season, and we try it over and over again, expecting one day he might create a goal.
I'm crying out for us to do this every game. The fullback must run beyond the winger and then can move towards the box and deliver a low cross of cut back, which is incredibly hard to defend against. Yesterday it was like our players weren't allowed to advance past the corner of the 18 yard box, and delivered deep, floated crosses into the box which West brom could have defended for 3-4 hours and probably not conceded.

Our lack of tactical intelligence is actually worrying and we resort to throwing on as many attacking players as possible which recycling the aforementioned tactics, which had failed to deliver us a goal all game. Depressing stuff..
 

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If we don't get a new RB and/or RW then I will have zero faith in us winning the league or going far in the CL.
 

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In fairness, whenever Sanchez has played on the right he has played as an inside forward anyway. Watch the game yesterday when Martial came on. Sanchez shifted to the right and barely attacked the outside of the full back. He inside every time with Valencia doing his sideways shuffle whenever he got the ball.

No idea if Mou wanted this or not.
True he isn't a classic right winger, but even Sanchez playing right as an inside forward is better than the giant void that occupies the position whenever Mata plays.

I always liked Rafael. What happened to Rafael :(
Van Gaal happened to him. 2 years in and Mourinho is still trying to fix the clusterfeck Louis made of this squad.
 

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What's shocking about Valencia, especially yesterday, is that he doesn't even try to take players on. I'm with @breakout67 in that there's no way we're winning the league until Valencia and Young are replaced.
 

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True he isn't a classic right winger, but even Sanchez playing right as an inside forward is better than the giant void that occupies the position whenever Mata plays.



Van Gaal happened to him. 2 years in and Mourinho is still trying to fix the clusterfeck Louis made of this squad.
Because you guys sacked him I have to suffer him as a pundit.

And if you think Van Gaal is a shite coach, just wait till you here him analyzing stuff. Condescending fecker.
 

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Rafael and Nani may have had some weaknesses but we actually won league titles with them in the team and they gave us excitement and the element of unpredictability. What I'm saying is that since they left no-one has done better than them on our right flank. Whatever happens if we don't buy new fullbacks in the summer we're not going anywhere.
Think he was being sarcastic mate.
 

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We need to buy a winger with trickery and deft touches. I think if SAF was here he'd have bought someone like Mahrez for the right wing by now.
If I had may way, I'd take both Mahrez and Vardy.
Watching how slow our counter attack was yesterday, was painful.
The ball came to our midfielder, who then slowed the counter attack down.
WBA defenders all ran back to their positions, stopped and waited, while our counter attack arrived....late by about 5-10 seconds.
 

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Left flank is not any better. Valencia and Young are bang average. They can't beat a man, can't cross. hardly get enough goals or assists. City spend 50+ on full backs but it was worth it. Full-backs are fundamental to any top side. Utd have been sleeping in this area for years now. Needs to be addressed.

But it helps when you sign players for a system rather than just looking for big names you think will do stuff when you stick them on the pitch.
 

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All the hypocrites missing Nani probably do remember the dog's abuse they gave him after every game here.
 

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I think we should have kept Zaha and it seems he's available again - we should tempt him back.

If City take him (as it seems!) they will be even more unstoppable!
Give me Zaha any day over what we have currently. He can play on the left or on the right and can actually commit a man and beat players. He'd be a great option to have whether it's starting or off the bench.
 

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If I had may way, I'd take both Mahrez and Vardy.
Watching how slow our counter attack was yesterday, was painful.
The ball came to our midfielder, who then slowed the counter attack down.
WBA defenders all ran back to their positions, stopped and waited, while our counter attack arrived....late by about 5-10 seconds.
Yes I noticed this as well. It's so sad but what do you expect if you're wide players are Mata and Sanchez and you're midfielders hog the ball for longer than necessary. Like I said in a previous post it's time for us to return to the basics and a wide player who can commit players 1 on 1 is absolutely necessary. Mahrez is such an obvious signing to make. He's PL proven, waiting for a chance to move to a big club, will definitely want to prove himself and I think he'd give the fans some excitement back on the RW. He's already on double figures for goals and assists so you'd expect that to improve with better players around him. And then someone like Malcolm would be fantastic as well if we sell Mata/Martial. He is like a clone of Douglas Costa who's someone I really like too. It's important we snap these players before clubs like Bayern Munich come and take them.
 
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As someone who used to lurk here when Rafael and Nani were around this thread cracks me up
 

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We don't have a left flank either. Just a number of players who'd prefer to be a 9 or a 10 shunted out wide but continually drift inwards, leaving it all to our ageing full backs, who used to be wingers.

The only one who seems comfortable attacking from the touchline is Martial, and he cant even get on the pitch now. In those last 20 minutes, we had Lingard, Mata and Sanchez all playing the same central position, Lukaku and Rashford both playing the same striker position (and then we shoved Smalling up there for 5 minutes) with no midfield, Valencia stood on the half way line, and Martial on the left on his own. Madness.
The sad reality! Why can’t we just get players who are natural in their position? All the money we’ve got too. It’s ridiculous.
 

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Systems need to change as the game changes, 4-4-2 just isn't as effective anymore. I miss it, but it's not a system to play these days.

However our wide play is atrocious, regardless of the system it's played in. We currently employ Valencia and Young as fullbacks. Both ex-wingers, yet they seem scared/incapable of running the line and taking their man on. Their crossing has been hit and miss. Why? If they're not providing a wide outlet then why are they in the team, they're not better defenders than Shaw, Rojo, or Blind, who have/can all play as fullbacks and are proper defenders. So surely Valencia and Young are getting picked for their attacking instincts, yet they don't attack. I was at the recent Palace game and during the first half Young was right in front of me, running the line, getting open, and no one ever passed to him. Why?

Given Mourinho's post match comments yesterday, it seems the team is tactically in disarray. Either the players aren't doing what he's asking them, or what he's asking them to do is so confusing to them they end up doing they're own thing because they don't know what he wants. Neither is good.
 

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This. They were inconsistent and frustrating most of the time. People tend to forget quickly.
When last we won the league (remember how we used to do that?) nobody in their right mind thought Rafa was 'inconsistent and frustrating', and Nani was only seen as such by people who didn't understand that most good attacking players aren't actually Ronaldo. The likes of Hazard, Mahrez, and Sterling are the kind of players who have won PL titles for their teams since we booted Nani into touch, and they're every bit as 'inconsistent' as he was (and none of them have caught his assists total yet).

This isn't to say Nani in particular should still be at the club - he was never the same following that injury in Fergie's last season brought an end to an amazing three years of form, and he barely played for the club again afterwards - but trying to defend the recent state of things by downplaying the quality of players who LVG got rid of is one of the most annoying aspects of our fans these days.
 

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Valencia at right back is fine, the problem is he's expected to provide the width for us since we have no real right winger. Get in an actual right winger and the right flank will be fine. Valencia needs replaced soon, but not this summer.

We've got three players currently who occupy the left winger role but none who provide width, we clearly aren't bringing in another left winger so left back becomes the priority. I can't imagine we'll pull a City and sign two starting fullbacks this summer so it basically has to be a left back that we sign.
 

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We have no width on either flank, right and left. We have over the hill wingers, as full backs who cannot even cross a ball. We have loads who are put out wide but keep cutting inside, and getting in each other's way. We keep trying to play through the middle all the time and teams get to know this.

We need top class wingers who will stay out wide, be able to cross a ball, dribble past a player, and open up play.