Peterson, Harris, etc....

[berbatrick]

I thought this was a really good video:

It is a decent intro to the main trends of western philosophy (modernism, pomo) for people like me who have very little actual training in all that (from 9:45-19:30 and 23:30-26:30).

 

[JohnLocke]

I thought this was a really good video:

It is a decent intro to the main trends of western philosophy (modernism, pomo) for people like me who have very little actual training in all that (from 9:45-19:30 and 23:30-26:30).

Started watching Contra Points videos a while back and found them to be quite good. She's stated that she's moved further to the left since she started uploading videos, but I've found them to be quite honest compared to other content creators where there's a definite agenda in place.

Will give it a watch later.

 

[DOTA]

Started watching Contra Points videos a while back and found them to be quite good. She's stated that she's moved further to the left since she started uploading videos, but I've found them to be quite honest compared to other content creators where there's a definite agenda in place.

Will give it a watch later.

Think she takes herself much more seriously than most (you know... apart from when she's getting it on with manikins with Jordan Peterson's face attached...) and as a result is much keener to engage with any potential criticism than others are. Which makes her very interesting and is also why I'm sure she'll drive herself insane before long.

 

[JohnLocke]

Think she takes herself much more seriously than most (you know... apart from when she's getting it on with manikins with Jordan Peterson's face attached...) and as a result is much keener to engage with any potential criticism than others are. Which makes her very interesting and is also why I'm sure she'll drive herself insane before long.

I seen that she'd been critiquing her previous videos and seems to do so in good humour, and to say where she's maybe been wrong or even just that her opinion has changed.

She used to be a Philosophy lecturer so a lot of her content has a solid base. Not saying you need to be an academic to make good videos, but it's good to know that she's not just waffling half baked ideas and has a really sound understanding of the larger picture.

Started watching videos by a German guy, his channel is called Three Arrows, he was on her related channels or vise-versa. He's not an academic, just a guy who's hobby is learning about history. Doesn't have many videos but I enjoyed watching them.

 

[DOTA]

I seen that she'd been critiquing her previous videos and seems to do so in good humour, and to say where she's maybe been wrong or even just that her opinion has changed.

She used to be a Philosophy lecturer so a lot of her content has a solid base. Not saying you need to be an academic to make good videos, but it's good to know that she's not just waffling half baked ideas and has a really sound understanding of the larger picture.

Started watching videos by a German guy, his channel is called Three Arrows, he was on her related channels or vise-versa. He's not an academic, just a guy who's hobby is learning about history. Doesn't have many videos but I enjoyed watching them.

Yeah, I like his stuff so far. Seems pretty thorough in his research.

 

[GDaly95]

I'm a big fan of Peterson. Agree with him wholeheartedly on the idea that young males are given very little public support in life, which goes hand in hand with the brewing narrative that white males come from a place of oppressiveness and have it significantly easier than all minorities. Although I do agree that his 'deep' stuff is actually very basic and not particularly deep at all. That I struggle to get into.

I like Shapiro, lacks charisma and is a serious point scorer but I enjoy watching his stuff.

I'd say the same about Steven Crowder who probably doesn't fall into the same category as these people but he has some very cool things on his channel. Particularly the 'Change my Mind' segment. Only issue is that he claims to push for an open, honest and intellectual conversation until he starts to feel intellectually inferior to someone, at which point he turns into one of the weak little SJW's that he constantly berates.

As for Sam Harris, well he kind of puts me to sleep. Maybe I'm just not at a high enough intellectual level for his craic, but I just really struggle to stay engaged.

Really like that video above, the ContraPoints one. Will definitely look more into that.

 

[Eboue]

I like Shapiro, lacks charisma and is a serious point scorer but I enjoy watching his stuff.

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[Minimalist]

I'm more amused by someone admitting they watch Steven Crowder. Another failed comedian like Rubin and about as funny as cancer diagnosis.

 

[GDaly95]

I'm more amused by someone admitting they watch Steven Crowder. Another failed comedian like Rubin and about as funny as cancer diagnosis.

I think he's extremely funny. Along with the other 1.9 million subs!

Comedy is subjective y'know?

As for the Shapiro thing, horrific statement! Was it an isolated tweet or was it part of a chain? In any case, I hope he's wised up since he wrote that 8 years ago!

 

[Minimalist]

I think he's extremely funny. Along with the other 1.9 million subs!

Comedy is subjective y'know?

As for the Shapiro thing, horrific statement! Was it an isolated tweet or was it part of a chain? In any case, I hope he's wised up since he wrote that 8 years ago!

And that's your issue. Living in some YouTube bubble.

 

[GDaly95]

And that's your issue. Living in some YouTube bubble.

Incredible shout. Where are you getting that from? You're suggest it's embarrassing or factually incorrect for me to find a person funny. It's bizarre.

 

[Charlie Foley]

This is pretty much my view. He seems to be pretty knowledgable about the subject matter he talks about, which can at times be very interesting and at others a bit tedious. The main problem as I see it isn't Peterson, its the people who have latched on to him as some sort of guru of all things anti-liberal orthodoxy/victimhood culture/post-modernism etc. Those are all very interesting arguments from his end, but the fact that so many members of the right have suddenly gravitated towards him is bound to make him more controversial than problem solving.

Good post. I have more issues with his followers than him. One may ask why they support him I guess. And what that says about him.

Slightly related, I hate how so many people online will support an intelligent person (like Peterson) and then act as though his intelligence is their intelligence. Agreeing with or having the same political stance as a smart person doesn't make you smart

 

[Minimalist]

Incredible shout. Where are you getting that from? You're suggest it's embarrassing or factually incorrect for me to find a person funny. It's bizarre.

No, that you splurted out his sub count like that matters (justifies his shite).

 

[Charlie Foley]

I think he's extremely funny. Along with the other 1.9 million subs!

Comedy is subjective y'know?

As for the Shapiro thing, horrific statement! Was it an isolated tweet or was it part of a chain? In any case, I hope he's wised up since he wrote that 8 years ago!

I don't find Crowder funny at all personally. A left wing college student saying something stupid might be funny. But him showing that on the internet doesn't make him personally funny IMO. It has nothing to do with him. When his comedy requires any input from him, or when he adds his own commentary, I find it falls flat on its face. To each their own I guess. Different people laugh at different things.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Incredible shout. Where are you getting that from? You're suggest it's embarrassing or factually incorrect for me to find a person funny. It's bizarre.

Did he?

 

[GDaly95]

No, that you splurted out his sub count like that matters (justifies his shite).

Well you made it sound like its ludicrous to enjoy his stuff, bringing up his huge popularity is just one way of saying of course it isn't.

Anyway, go on, elaborate on my YouTube bubble that I'm living in or whatever.

I don't find Crowder funny at all personally. A left wing college student saying something stupid might be funny. But him showing that on the internet doesn't make him personally funny IMO. It has nothing to do with him. When his comedy requires any input from him, or when he adds his own commentary, I find it falls flat on its face. To each their own I guess. Different people laugh at different things.

I think his additional commentary adds to it massively!

Did he?

I shouldn't have used those choice of words, but stating that I'm "admitting" to liking his stuff is an implication in that direction and at the very least is very obnoxious and unnecessary.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

1.9m can't be wrong in a world of 7.6 billion people.

 

[Minimalist]

God right-wingers are sensitive snowflakes.

FYI, PewDiePie and Zoella wouldn't be known by 80-90% of people asked on the street, so not sure what subscriber count matters beyond a decent bit of YouTube cash.

 

[Synco]

Slightly related, I hate how so many people online will support an intelligent person (like Peterson) and then act as though his intelligence is their intelligence. Agreeing with or having the same political stance as a smart person doesn't make you smart

Yes, a lot of this ultimately boils down to identity. One outcome is youtube vids of the "xyz DESTROYS radical feminist" kind, made for those fans to bask in the supposed "win" of their identification figure. The WWE version of intellectual engagement.

All of which isn't really surprising, as I think a lot (most?) of today's culture is based on identity, way beyond that particular group.

 

[GDaly95]

1.9m can't be wrong in a world of 7.6 billion people.

Pointless

God right-wingers are sensitive snowflakes.

FYI, PewDiePie and Zoella wouldn't be known by 80-90% of people asked on the street, so not sure what subscriber count matters beyond a decent bit of YouTube cash.

Don't know who the above are.

Also disagree with Crowder and Shapiro on pretty much everything other than their disapproval of the mentality largely displayed on the left.

So yeah, the right wing thing is wrong. I'm also not offended by anything. Although admittedly I'm not as left as I used to be, but I think it's normal for political views to make shape differently when one transitions from college to the real world. Different environment, different people etc. Fun intellectual journey figuring it out

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Pointless

Sensitive

 

[GDaly95]

Sensitive

Reported

 

[DOTA]

Dave?

 

[Minimalist]

Pointless

Don't know who the above are.

Also disagree with Crowder and Shapiro on pretty much everything other than their disapproval of the mentality largely displayed on the left.

So yeah, the right wing thing is wrong. I'm also not offended by anything. Although admittedly I'm not as left as I used to be, but I think it's normal for political views to make shape differently when one transitions from college to the real world. Different environment, different people etc. Fun intellectual journey figuring it out

Thanks for assisting my point.

 

[GDaly95]

Thanks for assisting my point.

Whatever man. You win the battle of the YouTube bubble

 

[Raoul]

Article about the likes of Harris, Shapiro, Peterson et al. Expecting Glenn Greenwald and his posse to be in full on drama queenish meltdown over this at some point.

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[Eboue]

sucks to be made taboo by getting a writeup in the new york fecking times

 

[Eboue]

this is the greatest photoshoot ever

you know your article sucks when even paul krugman is going in on it

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[Raoul]

You seem to be taking this badly Eboue.

 

[Eboue]

You seem to be taking this badly Eboue.

*posts a stupid article*
*article gets called stupid*

"hehe, ive proved my point. triggered the lefties"

 

[Raoul]

*posts a stupid article*
*article gets called stupid*

"hehe, ive proved my point. triggered the lefties"

You may not like the article but its entirely appropriate to this thread. You're just going to have to deal with the reality that this narrative is going to get national attention, and rightfully so.

 

[Eboue]

You may not like the article but its entirely appropriate to this thread. You're just going to have to deal with the reality that this narrative is going to get national attention, and rightfully so.

I'm dealing with it by pointing out how stupid it is.

 

[Raoul]

I'm dealing with it by pointing out how stupid it is.

That's not dealing with it, that's dismissing it. But give it about 24 hours and maybe the Guardian will do a similar piece on the plight of Glenn Greenwald, his Brazilian lover and their 50 dogs who reside in the Brazilian rain forrest.

 

[Eboue]

That's not dealing with it, that's dismissing it. But give it about 24 hours and maybe the Guardian will do a similar piece on the plight of Glenn Greenwald, his Brazilian lover and their 50 dogs who reside in the Brazilian rain forrest.

It's how people deal with articles that are incredibly stupid.

 

[Raoul]

It's how people deal with articles that are incredibly stupid.

That's obviously subjective. The broader topic is very relevant to this thread and is receiving the sort of coverage it deserves.

 

[Eboue]

That's obviously subjective. The broader topic is very relevant to this thread and is receiving the sort of coverage it deserves.

Give us your interpretation of the broader subject then. Because my interpretation is that anyone claiming their ideas are marginalized and suppressed whilst writing an op ed for the most influential paper in the world is incredibly stupid.

 

[Raoul]

Give us your interpretation of the broader subject then. Because my interpretation is that anyone claiming their ideas are marginalized and suppressed whilst writing an op ed for the most influential paper in the world is incredibly stupid.

Its exactly what its always been - an attempt to shut down speech related to controversial topics we don't want to address in public. These can be issues related to everything from race, gender, culture, and politics etc. And by in public, I mean on major news networks and in major publications like the NY Times. These are ideas that need to be debated in the mainstream media and not in compartmentalized twitter feuds between the likes of Harris and Greenwald.

 

[Silva]

"this idea is fecking moronic, it completely ignores the historical context and promotes an extreme ethnocentric ideology that is dangerous"

"yeah, well, it's not literally illegal to say it so stop treading on my free speech"

"what the feck are you talking about, you're constantly on major news outlets no one is treading on your free speech"

"but someone was mean to me on the internet which is worse than literal stalinism"

 

[Eboue]

Its exactly what its always been - an attempt to shut down speech related to controversial topics we don't want to address in public. These can be issues related to everything from race, gender, culture, and politics etc. And by in public, I mean on major news networks and in major publications like the NY Times. These are ideas that need to be debated in the mainstream media and not in compartmentalized twitter feuds between the likes of Harris and Greenwald.

these people are always on tv and in major publications. they arent being shut down in any way

 

[Raoul]

these people are always on tv and in major publications. they arent being shut down in any way

They aren't on very often. But they should be, and they should be debating their critics like Greenwald, Hasan, and friends. Competing ideas need to be fleshed in the broadest public domain possible out and that process should be publicized in the mainstream media.