The horrible reality with Liverpool

[Feed Me]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Champions League final this weekend and they seem to have an unstoppable momentum in that competition, plus Keita and probably Fekir on the way in.

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world. It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They'll be City's main challengers in the league next season, which is a terrifying prospect. They've not won the title in my lifetime and it'll be unbearable when it happens.

 

[Jake]

They won’t be city’s main challengers.

 

[Feed Me]

They won’t be city’s main challengers.

Which team do you think will be and why do you feel Liverpool will fall short?

 

[kouroux]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Champions League final this weekend and they seem to have an unstoppable momentum in that competition, plus Keita and probably Fekir on the way in.

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world. It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They'll be City's main challengers in the league next season, which is a terrifying prospect. They've not won the title in my lifetime and it'll be unbearable when it happens.

They can demolish anyone in the world in that spell ? Hmm, no

 

[El-Manos]

They were average enough up until Christmas. They’ve made vast improvements and play very nice football but ultimately they haven’t won anything significant yet under Klopp. I’ll reserve my judgement until next season, all these fancy names are no guarantee to fit in, we’re a prime example of that. Not every transfer will work out like Salah.

Having said that, if they win champions league, that would wrap up their season as a great success obviously.

 

[Schmiznurf]

Ban him

 

[SER19]

I share your worries for sure. If the signings suggested happen then they'l only improve and they will certainly buy a better keeper. You would imagine...

Saying that, i think it's as likely that thet finish 5th and go out of champions league in last 16 next year. Their European momentum is great and their system is working but still suffers alot if any of main threat is out, will salah replicate this form?, and you can't work on improving a certain aspect of a team without risking the balance that is good.

They hammered two dreadful sides on the way to the final in knockouts, and had arguably the easiest run ever to a final. They were completely nullified by us twice.

I wouldn't predict success with certainty even if they do win in Kiev. It can be very hard to look past form and momentum but football has proven time and again that august hits reset and sustaining success is the real challenge

 

[Ban]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Champions League final this weekend and they seem to have an unstoppable momentum in that competition, plus Keita and probably Fekir on the way in.

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world. It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They'll be City's main challengers in the league next season, which is a terrifying prospect. They've not won the title in my lifetime and it'll be unbearable when it happens.

Well we should hope they can bottle it for other 70 minutes.
I mean we'll see how they'll fare in the next season. There's no guarantee they'll be better or City's main rival for the title. Keita and Fekir are good and all, but we'll see if their league form will improve so much so they'll be in the title fight. Personally I doubt it. Maybe it's just hoping. And I hope Salah will leave them next summer.
In other words this season doesn't mean a thing for the next.

 

[montpelier]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Yes, and I didn't even read the rest of your post, .

Well I did, but I'm pretending that I haven't, .

 

[11101]

Klopp will get them doing amazing things, but it is not sustainable over a long period. That was shown at Dortmund. Without a proper squad they will always burn out in games/seasons.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

They won’t be city’s main challengers.

This...if Salah can score as many as he did and still Liverpool end where they did then there is nothing to worry about. Salah will be lucky to get close to this season. He'll be far more known next year and players and managers will work him out.

Of course there is a chance he is a newbie to the Ronaldo/ Messi league, but I think its more a big fish in a little pond.

 

[JJ12]

Finished 4th for a reason. They are capable of beating big teams but I don’t think they are consistent enough.

 

[breakout67]

LMAO, Klopp is not in a million years going to better Guardiola in the league. Mourinho and Conte are far better in league competitions than Klopp as well.

Klopps best league campaign was 2.38 points per game

Guardiola - 2.64
Mourinho - 2.63
Conte - 2.68

It's also not a surprise that Mourinho and Conte are the only managers to better Guardiola in the league...they are extremely good at managing a league campaign.

 

[haram]

They will finish behind us next year.

 

[duffer]

They were a million miles from the title and nearly finished 5th. It'll take a huge improvement for them to win this title next season.

 

[Ian Reus]

Do we really need this thread ahead of the CL final?
Feck the Scousers. Let them open their own circle jerk discussions.

 

[BullishBull]

I share your worries for sure. If the signings suggested happen then they'l only improve and they will certainly buy a better keeper. You would imagine...

Saying that, i think it's as likely that thet finish 5th and go out of champions league in last 16 next year. Their European momentum is great and their system is working but still suffers alot if any of main threat is out, will salah replicate this form?, and you can't work on improving a certain aspect of a team without risking the balance that is good.

They hammered two dreadful sides on the way to the final in knockouts, and had arguably the easiest run ever to a final. They were completely nullified by us twice.

I wouldn't predict success with certainty even if they do win in Kiev. It can be very hard to look past form and momentum but football has proven time and again that august hits reset and sustaining success is the real challenge

No chance do we finish 5th next season. Spurs have a stadium to finance and their budget will be small, Arsenal reportedly have a 50m budget. Chelsea don't spend like they used to and when they do, it's badly spent, they also have a stadium to finance. That's three of our rivals all going through a period of uncertainty and transition. For us, everything is smooth and settled, revenues increasing every year, transfer record is solid every year. You talk about us hammering small teams in the CL, but you was bossed by Sevilla at home. It feels like you are just trying to find potential negatives to say about Liverpool.

 

[Rob]

It certainly feels good to be a Liverpool fan right now with the final and often exciting football we play. That said, I strongly doubt we'll be City's main competition next season as our squad is simply too small. Also, we will need to be more consistent. For the time being, I'm happy with regular CL football and entertaining football anyway.

 

[haram]

They were a million miles from the title and nearly finished 5th. It'll take a huge improvement for them to win this title next season.

People only remember the games they win.

 

[The BlackGaijin]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Champions League final this weekend and they seem to have an unstoppable momentum in that competition, plus Keita and probably Fekir on the way in.

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world. It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They'll be City's main challengers in the league next season, which is a terrifying prospect. They've not won the title in my lifetime and it'll be unbearable when it happens.

No. Just like spurs they are choke artists. Salah had a freak, Leicester like season.
We came second but we if you ask the fans and the manager it feels like we came second to last. We are going to strengthen then Mourinho is gonna do what Mourinho does . Shut up his haters by winning it always happens. U can’t run away from it.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

If every Premier League game was played at Anfield they'd be Champions. Fortunately they have to play away from home too. You're talking about a side that scored 1 goal (an o.g.) against us last season, and particularly at Old Trafford, looked bereft of ideas. They blew City and Roma away at Anfield, but were fortunate in Rome to still go through. They are a very good team, but I wouldn't get myself into a panic.

 

[Jake]

I think ourselves and spurs will finish ahead of them.

I can't see Salah having a similar season as this season. I think this seasons CL is the closest they will come to a major trophy in the next few years, and even then the run they had to the final was ridiculously favourable.

I personally think we will improve next season - but it will be hard to catch city at the minute. I can't see Liverpool getting anywhere near city to be honest.

 

[breakout67]

They were a million miles from the title and nearly finished 5th. It'll take a huge improvement for them to win this title next season.

Klopp has a bit of a **** following on here, as if he's some once in a generation manager that can do something that no one else can.

He's being praised like a god for reaching a CL final when you have treble and double winners in the league to compete with (Guardiola and Mourinho).

 

[SER19]

No chance do we finish 5th next season. Spurs have a stadium to finance and their budget will be small, Arsenal reportedly have a 50m budget. Chelsea don't spend like they used to and when they do, it's badly spent, they also have a stadium to finance. That's three of our rivals all going through a period of uncertainty and transition. For us, everything is smooth and settled, revenues increasing every year, transfer record is solid every year. You talk about us hammering small teams in the CL, but you was bossed by Sevilla at home. It feels like you are just trying to find potential negatives to say about Liverpool.

What a weird post. Why on earth are United versus Seville being discussed?

I also said it's just as likely they improve but you've got all worked up. You can't just write off three clubs on the basis of off field issues. Your entire post is just unnecessarily defensive. Liverpool just finished 4th. To say they might finish 5th is hardly ludicrous

 

[ivaldo]

It certainly feels good to be a Liverpool fan right now with the final and often exciting football we play. That said, I strongly doubt we'll be City's main competition next season as our squad is simply too small. Also, we will need to be more consistent. For the time being, I'm happy with regular CL football and entertaining football anyway.

I was wondering, if you lose the final would you still consider your season a success?

 

[The BlackGaijin]

Klopp has a bit of a **** following on here, as if he's some once in a generation manager that can do something that no one else can.

He's being praised like a god for reaching a CL final when you have treble and double winners in the league to compete with (Guardiola and Mourinho).

It is weird but I am beginning to think we have more closet Scouse and city lovers on here than in Bluemoon and Rawk.
He has won feck all in England. If we go by results he is barely Ranier’s level.

 

[BullishBull]

I was wondering, if you lose the final would you still consider your season a success?

Yeah. Usually we get CL football, then lose our best player and crash out of the CL and finish 7th. This year we lost our best player, hardly missed him. Finished in the CL places and reached a CL final. I remember at pre-season so many opposition fans would say, Liverpool will crash and burn with CL football due to Klopp's system/style.

 

[GatoLoco]

Regarding the CL final alone, and the sense of inevitability.

I read an article this morning. It said something like "We always talk a lot about Champions League finals but normally we get very little right", in the sense many outcomes are possible so it's meaningless to analyze them too much.

Liverpool could score a couple of goals early in the game, then sit back and play at the counter. The final result could be something like 3-1, and people would say "yes, you could see this happening. Liverpool can create the perfect storm for 20 minutes and then control the game and kill you with their three strikers and that pace. Madrid wasn't ready for that, they've been very fragile defensively the whole season. Nobody can say we didn't warn them".

What if the game ends 2-2 or 3-3, or something like that after 90 minutes? "We told you so, both teams attack much better than they defend, I don't know why anyone would be surprised...".

Madrid to win 3-1 after a 1-1 score at HT. "Well, we knew already which the side with the more quality in midfield was. And the most experienced side too. Liverpool had a very decent, at times brilliant, first half, but at the end that intensity cannot be sustained for 90 minutes. Plus Madrid have a much better bench. I cannot understand how people didn't see that coming, it's Madrid in a CL final, they haven't won 4 in 5 years out of nothing".

Few goals after 90 minutes. "Lots of people were predicting lots of goals in this game but I could see that both teams knew how dangerous their attacks were, that's why it's been such a cautious game. Zidane wanted to control Salah, and Klopp was aware of how dangerous Marcelo and Bale are. This is a CL final guys, you don't go out there and play it like a friendly in USA during the summer. There is a lot at stake, coaches don't want to lose control of what happens on the pitch".

So at the end we'll justify the result but mainly because that's what has happened. That has been studied in Philosophy. Human beings tend to accept reality merely because it's reality and then find a logical explanation of what's happened.

 

[Bojan11]

Great thread @Feed Me.

I see what you trying to do. Yep I agree. I think they are a unstoppable force and Real will have no answer to them tomorrow.

 

[Rob]

I was wondering, if you lose the final would you still consider your season a success?

Most definately. Consecutive CL qualifications with a final tomorrow is a great improvement on the last 10 years.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Don't think we have to worry about them too much in the league especially, they are just bad as us breaking down compact defenses. Only City scares me, they are capable of taking apart anyone in the league.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

They are going to crash and burn and go into an irreversible meltdown.
Spiralling down til they’re in the Ryman’s league. Then Accrington fans can go ‘Liverpool? Who are they?’

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

Does anyone else have this horrible, lurking feeling of doom in relation to the Dippers?

Champions League final this weekend and they seem to have an unstoppable momentum in that competition, plus Keita and probably Fekir on the way in.

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world. It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They'll be City's main challengers in the league next season, which is a terrifying prospect. They've not won the title in my lifetime and it'll be unbearable when it happens.

I'm worried in that they're in a final with every chance of winning another European Cup, but I don't necessarily see an all-dominating force building over there.

We have to bear in mind how scintillating they've been in patches over the past few seasons, but what have they amounted to in that time? Looking as good as they've looked at times this season yet finishing poor relations to City and ourselves and below Spurs points to a team with a chronic lack of consistency. They have the resources to win any cup run they put their mind to, but a genuine league challenge? A challenge on all fronts? You can't rule anything out, but I don't see it and don't have that ominous feeling about them.

 

[ThomasEmil]

They play entertaining football.
Wether they win or not, they're certainly more appealing for fans and youngsters around the world, than we are.
We look like a sack of superpowered potatoes on a dish, served without sauce.

 

[Red_Beans]

I wouldn't predict success with certainty even if they do win in Kiev. It can be very hard to look past form and momentum but football has proven time and again that august hits reset and sustaining success is the real challenge

Very true

 

[goober88]

Through gritted teeth, I'm pretty jealous of the way they have twenty minute spells in games where they can demolish anyone in the world.

We used to do that in the last twenty minutes of games and people used to complain we couldn't attack. They can't attack either, btw. Look at their midfielders: they're all tacklers and runners, not passers as a real attacking team like Man City have.

It's amazing what happens when teams don't play with shackles.

They concede three goals in quick succession from counter-attacks?

 

[hungrywing]

Almost-too-brilliant jinx thread.

 

[MUFC OK]

At this moment in time, and probably for the last 15 years, they have been a team set up for European competition. The atmosphere they generate for a big European night at Anfield is almost unmatched and I think this is why they always seem to excel in the CL. It's almost that the bigger the occasion there, the better they seem to play.

Contrast this with the league and it's like a library, when smaller teams come and park the bus they have no answer and this is where they have slipped up so many times over the same period. A friend who has a season ticket there says its usually full of foreign fans and tourists (many from Norway) and they simply don't generate the same atmosphere.

This is why I'm not concerned about them winning the league any time soon. I'd be more concerned about them winning the CL tomorrow and going a long way in the competition again next year.

 

[Canagel]

I share the OP's concerns. There's too much of a feel good factor at Liverpool again and anyone who doesn't feel uneasy or worried is lying to themselves. They are not too far from being title challenges and definitely in 2018 they have been far better than us. We started the season flying with 6 wins from 7 but since then we have been poor and they have gone from strength to strength. If things continue like this they will overtake us next season.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Maybe in relation to the CL, but I don't see them putting up a title challenge at all. They're inconsistent as feck. Spectacular, sure, but you don't get points for entertainment, it's football, not Eurovision.