thats applicable to the government. Not to your work place. If certain things are banned at your place of work and you sign a contract agreeing to it then thats on you.
FIFA charge Shaqiri and Xhaka for goal celebrations
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thats applicable to the government. Not to your work place. If certain things are banned at your place of work and you sign a contract agreeing to it then thats on you.
Freedom of speech is one thing but there's a time and a place. Making that gesture directly in front of thousands of Serbia fans in that situation could've caused people to get hurt.
He asked for background, I gave background. Nothing more.
OK. Serbian coach should be punished too, then.
They should be punished, but not in kind of way which impacts them two playing. They should be fined 30,000 each or something, I'm sure they can cope
Oh pls - let's think of poor Serbian fans who were spewing vitriol all game long. They can go feck themselves as far I'm concerned.
Why is the Serb three finger salute offensive? I had a look at the (mobile) wiki page about it and it didn't tell me much except it's got to do with the Orthodox Christianity and the holy trinity, and that it has been used controversially. But that doesn't seem to get to the core of the issue.
Are you suggesting every player signed a contract/agreement with FIFA before playing in the world cup?
Serb paralimitary used it during the shootings in Bosnia, Kosovo etc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44589162
This made me laugh. The whole world is conspiring against Serbia and its heroic people
This made me laugh. The whole world is conspiring against Serbia and its heroic people
The Liverpool of nations
I was thinking more of the fans not spewing vitriol or the stewards who could get hurt. Political nonsense has no place in a football ground, from players or fans.
Exactly.
Plus it’s in a neutral stadium and you get fans from other countries going to watch these games too.
Why would they get hurt?
Seriously, if fans can talk shit all game and make 'insensitive' gestures than they should be able to take some back in return. I'm all about emancipating mankind so they can live the consequences of their actions. Football fans who sing the most vile chants all game long might be offended by a hand gesture. It's preposterous. Western PC gone mad.
Two average players, two boring celebrations.
Idiot players run to idiot fans who then charge down to confront them. Innocent fans get squished or caught up in the melee. Stewards have to try and stop them. It happens and people can get hurt.
You might think it's "pc gone mad" but there's a reason political nonsense is banned.
I hope they all (players and fans spouting political stuff at a game) get banned from football, from public places and from ever talking aloud in public.
I am Serbian and I can tell you it's offensive. Alot of people suffered in the civil war and the aftermath of it. If the Serbs play the Bosnian, Croat or Albanians it's simply not OK to use it. It has a deeper and more offensive meaning when used against the ones involved in the war. Throwing three fingers up to a German it would mean nothing but to a Bosnian it would be very offensive. I can't write a an example without getting hammered on here but trust me when I say it's very provocative.
I'm against political manifestations in football as a matter of principle. That one can look inoffensive, but if you lose the reference the extremes will be valid too.
Its good you don't care about genocide.
Fifa deciding to take action sure makes the opinion of the people who where calling for the players to be punished yesterday seem less ridiculous. Since that's exactly what's happening.
If they're getting charged for that surely Sweden are going to have the book thrown at them for their behaviour after the final whistle. Their manager was an embarrassment.
Fine them 1€ each. Strictly speaking it's against the rules, but given the history behind it and their families it's understandable in my opinion.
Also it's a joke to ban political expressions when the whole fecking tournament is sold to politicians for their political purposes.
Also it's a joke to ban political expressions when the whole fecking tournament is sold to politicians for their political purposes.
I have no idea what happened over there since I'm not interested in politics and wars in the slightest. Which is part of the reason I don't want it in football.
I don't know what he said but if he's broken any rules, yes. Couldn't care less.
It's not really like that though. Didn't they do the celebration because they were playing Serbia?
im sugesting every player that plays football for a team in any competition or setting governed under fifa has agreed with the terms and conditions set by fifa and its deciplinary code. Which means they have all right to fine you as they see fit. They are not putting you in jail. Thats what a government would do if they decided to infringe on your rights (assuming you are in a country that actually affords you that right)
Yeah they did.
I don't have a problem with it. And I disagree that politics has no place in football. It already does, whether it's obvious or not.
Your post can’t be that narrow minded. Politics have always been a massive part of sport, and part of why sport has always meant so much.
Do you really think Real vs Barca is such a significant match simply because of the two teams trophy cabinet? Similarly United and Liverpool rivalry transcends football to actual business rivalry between the two cities in days gone by.
Even outside of football, why do you think that it meant so much to the old West Indies and India teams in cricket to beat England? Hint, it’s not simply because England were a good team they wanted to beat.
You can say you’re not interested if you want, but you can’t dismiss politics in sport when it has had so much influence in it for a very long time now.
I apologize if this came across as condescending, but blanket statements like anyone who makes political statements in football should be punished irk me.
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This is exactly what FIFA are trying to achieve.
They are not choosing sides. If the Serbian players had done something similar, they too would be charged. It's not so hard to understand.
This is crap. Xhaka & Shaqiri can easily get a lawyer to argue this charge right?
Yakubu, Anelka, Lichsteiner have all done this goal celebration before. FIFA will have to prove it was politically motivated.
Yakubu, Anelka, Lichsteiner have all done this goal celebration before. FIFA will have to prove it was politically motivated.
I doubt it.
Considering Lichtsteiner seemingly went on record saying why they did the celebration. It's obvious it was politically connected and done against Serbia for that very reason.
I thought it was needless, the Serbian players and staff and most probably even the fans at the stadium had nothing to do with Shaqiri's father's imprisonment.
There are better ways to dedicate a goal to your father.
There are better ways to dedicate a goal to your father.
Look, I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but what the Serbs did in Kosovo was atrocious and unacceptable (let alone what they did in Bosnia). If people are going to get worked up over a double eagle hand sign with this context and the players' histories in mind then they clearly haven't lived through tough times.
This is a fair point but harsh to put that on the players. If they made incendiary statements in the press I would understand. Even if Xhaka and Shaqiri had not done what they did I'm sure such fans would fine another excuse to fight anyways.
I totally agree on with the bold part, I wasn't even talking about the Serbians getting offended. I was more focusing on Shaqiri and Xhaka not really needing to do this. If FIFA thinks they want to keep this out football then you can't blame them, regardless of the Serbian's reaction to it. And I keep thinking that the players are there to play football, the manager/coaches/staff are there to do their jobs, the fans are there to cheer for their team, there's no need for them to see this. Then as someone already mentioned about it having nothing to do with Switzerland.
Politics should stay out of football or any sport for that matter. We have enough of trouble in the world as it is.
Shaqiri is just practicing for his move to Liverpool.
It's five times though, not ten.
It's five times though, not ten.
No need to apologize. I aknowledge the fact that it has always been part of football, I just think it should be kept of the pitch. Like another poster pointed out, in a worst case scenario it could have lead to people getting hurt.
They did, but I've heard someone mention that they did it several times before which led to the Swiss banning it in 2014.
Switzerland is a political entity, the flag of Switzerland is a political symbol. International football is political by design. FIFA wouldn't really have a leg to stand on if either Shaqiri or Xhaka had halfway competent lawyers.
As someone from an ethnicity that has been persecuted throughout its entire existance, I think you're talking rubbish. These guys aren't doing white power salutes, they're showing defiance and solidarity with their people who have been oppressed and the victims of genocide by the Serbs, who still refuse to acknowledge their nation's right to exist.