It's actually a double double negative.
No, pelanties are not lottery is not untrue
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When we started the debate originally, the title was "No, penalties are not lottery" - the rest of it has been added by some funny mod.
I only remember that because it’s the only time England won a shootout. They lost to Germany in the next game and I was there too
True. Now I am confused...
It gave me an aneurysm
You are killing me, man
It's a perfectly good title. Conveyed the point of your thread well.
What the feck is this title?
*Edit* second language...you are forgiven.
Pen's are not that much of a lottery, it's why people fear the Germans when it comes to a shootout.
*Edit* second language...you are forgiven.
Pen's are not that much of a lottery, it's why people fear the Germans when it comes to a shootout.
There's a reason teams practice them in training and GKs research penalty takers before games.
Is there a website that collects penalty conversion % stats for a decent amount of time period? I'm interested in doing some statistical analysis on this hypothesis.
If it is indeed lottery, the distribution should be normal with mean around 0.5.
If it is indeed lottery, the distribution should be normal with mean around 0.5.
No penalties are true lottery is true, not true?
Don't know of any comprehensive collection of stats - but if we look at the World Cup, the average conversion rate is around 70%.
Germany (incl. West Germany) have a rate around 95%.
So, no - it obviously isn't a matter of luck.
That thread title 
On topic: The notion that a penalty shootout is somehow a lottery is one of main pet hates when it comes to football. And I don't mean that nerves may affect the quality of your shot. It's that some players seem totally unprepared for these situations. I have to come back to my favourite stat in football: 98% of penalties hit in the top half of the goal are not saved. So why would you ever hit it low? The only good penalty I can remember from this WC is Kjær's and if I were a manager I would make damn sure my players train as much as possible to hit them as he did. And if they overhit it or the keeper makes an outrageous save they can be forgiven. But at least they gave themselves the best possible chance of converting. I find Modrić's two attempts (regardless if they were saved or not) ridiculous for a player of his stature.
On topic: The notion that a penalty shootout is somehow a lottery is one of main pet hates when it comes to football. And I don't mean that nerves may affect the quality of your shot. It's that some players seem totally unprepared for these situations. I have to come back to my favourite stat in football: 98% of penalties hit in the top half of the goal are not saved. So why would you ever hit it low? The only good penalty I can remember from this WC is Kjær's and if I were a manager I would make damn sure my players train as much as possible to hit them as he did. And if they overhit it or the keeper makes an outrageous save they can be forgiven. But at least they gave themselves the best possible chance of converting. I find Modrić's two attempts (regardless if they were saved or not) ridiculous for a player of his stature.
Spain have a shabby penalty record coming to think of it. I can only remember them beating ROI in 2002.
:-(
Yes, penalties aren’t pure lottery is not untrue.
And they were pretty fecking lucky to go through against Ireland as well.
Whatever it's terrible and I'm forced to read it everytime I'm on the home page
That was 4 negatives in one title. THat's the most complex sentence I've read.
It's just a saying meaning that there is an element of luck to the thing. It's not literally a lottery, you pedantic cnuts.
Hey, what happened with title? Come on mods, i was having rough time even before that.
I give up....
I give up....
Spot on. Antonio Simões former teammate of Eusébio at Benfica and Portugal said exactly the same thing as you yesterday.
Basically he said of course there is the emotional side, but you need to have a certain type of skills and training to do this, if it was a lottery they wouldn't need professional players to do that.
If by luck you mean variation, uncertainty or volatility, then there is an element of luck to everything.
Matt Le Tissier scored 47 of 48 penalties. Lottery my ass.
Excuses.
Some GKs are just better at this game than others.
Some GKs are just better at this game than others.
Think he only has the second best record of all time though. Think it was 49/50 too. Someone posted the stats in a thread in here recently.
You've created a head scratcher for someone who claims english isn't his first languageHey, what happened with title? Come on mods, i was having rough time even before that.
I give up....
To whoever came up with the thread title: please never get involved in writing multiple choice exam questions.
I don't think it's fair to call it luck.. obviously luck always plays a role in football but it's more about how well the players can respond to the pressure of that certain situation.
So even he missed.
I’d say it’s about 70% skill and 30% bottle
What gave it away?
I think Julian Dicks missed only one too.
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The truth about penalties lottery isn't.
Any professional footballer, striker to goalkeeper, should be the heavy favourite when taking a penalty, compared to the keeper saving it/missing it.
On paper, the team with the most composed players should win the shootout because they are the least likely to miss. I don't really think the quality of the goalkeeper has a great deal to do with it, aside from maybe shaking the taker's confidence as he prepares his run up, but again, the most composed takers will score more penalties.
I'd be interested to see how they view it in Germany. Part of me thinks the English press and ex-footballers like the "penalties are a lottery" narrative because it provides something of an excuse for England's somewhat infamous failures during them at international tournaments. I'd imagine the German's very much consider it a skill.
On paper, the team with the most composed players should win the shootout because they are the least likely to miss. I don't really think the quality of the goalkeeper has a great deal to do with it, aside from maybe shaking the taker's confidence as he prepares his run up, but again, the most composed takers will score more penalties.
I'd be interested to see how they view it in Germany. Part of me thinks the English press and ex-footballers like the "penalties are a lottery" narrative because it provides something of an excuse for England's somewhat infamous failures during them at international tournaments. I'd imagine the German's very much consider it a skill.
Not a lottery but it also doesn't determine who the best team is. I would almost rather see it decided by statistics (like the away goals rule in the Champions League). Shots on goal or something along those lines.
Completely agree.
Penalties are 0% luck.
If all your takers put the ball in the top corner you win every single penalty shootout.
If all your takers put the ball in the top corner you win every single penalty shootout.
Is the thread title supposed to be a boolean logic challenge?