The "England have had it easy" narrative

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First decent side faced with the WC there for the taking, and England bottle it.

The answer to the thread - yes England had it piss easy on the good side of the draw, qualifying from the group stages early and beating a James-less Colombia.
 

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Couldnt have asked for a easier path to the finals...
It was like Liverpool's path to the CL finals.. Liverpool got past Roma. England couldnt get past Croatia.
Yeah at least we could laugh at liveroool without people taking it to heart. Some in here lost their booody marbles.
 

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Couldnt have asked for a easier path to the finals...
It was like Liverpool's path to the CL finals.. Liverpool got past Roma. England couldnt get past Croatia.
COme on, Liverpool did beat City. Give them some credit. England was more like MU to Europa final.
 

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Yeah at least we could laugh at liveroool without people taking it to heart. Some in here lost their booody marbles.
I supported England throughout the tournament, but the delusion in this thread almost made me reconsider.
 

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Both teams might play the guys who didnt get a chance. So could be a same affair as the group match
They really should. It's a waste of a match. This loss should hurt. I can't remember a side leading in semi-finals losing, the last time I remember one was Argentina vs Italy in 90 with Canniggia scoring a late, late, late goal vs Zenga. IT's like Arsenal/Spurs fecking up against Leicester. Best chance to win the WC and they stumbled after leading.
 

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I supported England throughout the tournament, but the delusion in this thread almost made me reconsider.
I still can't tell if people were laughing or being serious.
 

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I supported England throughout the tournament, but the delusion in this thread almost made me reconsider.
Yup I’ve nothing against the England side, though some of their players have become pretty overrated. It was the fans on here that me rooting against them. Some absolute madness ensued in this thread.
 

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Decent team, but they’re never going to that close to a major final in years. Has to sting :wenger:
 

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Yup I’ve nothing against the England side, though some of their players have become pretty overrated. It was the fans on here that me rooting against them. Some absolute madness ensued in this thread.
It's the English media love in that does it for me. We'd never hear the fecking end of it if they did win it.
 

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Yeah Croatia were the first real footballing test and they failed.

And they aren't even a big a test as France, Belgium, Brazil, prime Germany/Spain/Argentina. Or even Italy and Holland, had they qualified.

Still, good progress has been made.
Fair comment. Good individual players, just need to work on MF department. England only had 2 goals on target (official said 1, but I thought Kane's weak attempt was on target). This is even worse than MU on our off day.
 

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Absolutely fecking gutted but I've never been as happy or enthusiastic about England. Kane didn't show up tonight, and none of the others stepped up to take the slack, and for the first time the defence looked quite shaky (and I'm surprised it took this long given it had Walker and Stones at the centre of it).

Still think they did themselves proud first in the group stages, and then in the two knockout games they won, and even tonight. So used to watching England choke against even the underperforming weak sides that I never envisioned them getting as far as they did. It wasn't to be in the end, and the better team won tonight.

While the pace of the three behind Kane had a lot of the defenders in the tournament worried, I think the tactic needs some adjusting to accommodate someone with more of a creative spark, because neither Henderson or Dier are capable of providing that from deep, and too often one or more of Alli/Sterling/Lingard looked like passengers.

Looking forward to Saturday where we can hopefully exact some revenge on Belgium and clinch third.

All in all, great performance from England. Exorcised some penalty demons, won their first knockout games in forever, and hopefully now have some momentum going into the Euros, with the chance to play the semi-finals and final at Wembley.

It's still coming home, we've just got to wait two years.

Edit: Also nice that so many of you were thinking of me <3
 

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Yup I’ve nothing against the England side, though some of their players have become pretty overrated. It was the fans on here that me rooting against them. Some absolute madness ensued in this thread.
Me Too.
 

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Fair comment. Good individual players, just need to work on MF department. England only had 2 goals on target (official said 1, but I thought Kane's weak attempt was on target). This is even worse than MU on our off day.
Wasn't Stones header on target?
 

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It's the English media love in that does it for me. We'd never hear the fecking end of it if they did win it.
Well yeah, I was kind of alluding to that, with the overrating of players. I have read some serious guff about the likes of Henderson over recent weeks. All of a sudden he’s hot shit. I can’t remember which group game, but after one of them, one of the red top rags went with a headline along the lines of “eleven reasons why England will win the WC”.

Edit: here is is https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/englands-fans-daring-believe-11-12789309
 

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I find it hilarious the cnuts on here claiming they wanted England to do well, but a few posts turned them off the idea.

Yeah right you bellends :lol:


It's the English media love in that does it for me. We'd never hear the fecking end of it if they did win it.
Totally. But then, that's what you'd expect from any media trying to still be relevant in the internet I guess.
 

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Wasn't Stones header on target?
I have no idea how they recorded shots on targets in this tournament. I've just seen Duncan Castles tweeted drawing the game saying England had only had 5 shots on target all tournament, clarifying that one was a penalty, despite them scoring 8 goals in the group stage alone. Maybe he meant the knockout round, which seems slightly more plausible, but he said something like "so far" or "up to this point" with no mention that it was only the knockouts he was referring to.
 

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Absolutely fecking gutted but I've never been as happy or enthusiastic about England. Kane didn't show up tonight, and none of the others stepped up to take the slack, and for the first time the defence looked quite shaky (and I'm surprised it took this long given it had Walker and Stones at the centre of it).

Still think they did themselves proud first in the group stages, and then in the two knockout games they won, and even tonight. So used to watching England choke against even the underperforming weak sides that I never envisioned them getting as far as they did. It wasn't to be in the end, and the better team won tonight.

While the pace of the three behind Kane had a lot of the defenders in the tournament worried, I think the tactic needs some adjusting to accommodate someone with more of a creative spark, because neither Henderson or Dier are capable of providing that from deep, and too often one or more of Alli/Sterling/Lingard looked like passengers.

Looking forward to Saturday where we can hopefully exact some revenge on Belgium and clinch third.

All in all, great performance from England. Exorcised some penalty demons, won their first knockout games in forever, and hopefully now have some momentum going into the Euros, with the chance to play the semi-finals and final at Wembley.

It's still coming home, we've just got to wait two years.

Edit: Also nice that so many of you were thinking of me <3
Totally like a Glaston post after Spurs failed to win the league capitulating to Leicester. I vaguely remember you fought for the right to call them bottlers.
 

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I find it hilarious the cnuts on here claiming they wanted England to do well, but a few posts turned them off the idea.

Yeah right you bellends :lol:




Totally. But then, that's what you'd expect from any media trying to still be relevant in the internet I guess.
I've always supported England at tournaments, bar Euro 2016. The utter delusion in this thread turned me right off. I still supported them tonight and I'm pretty gutted they went out tonight.
 

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I find it hilarious the cnuts on here claiming they wanted England to do well, but a few posts turned them off the idea.

Yeah right you bellends :lol:




Totally. But then, that's what you'd expect from any media trying to still be relevant in the internet I guess.
It's just more fun to see England lose, basically. It's not because I hate English people or the English team or anything, it's just... It's football, and football is all about letting your inner child out and my inner child always finds it hilarious to see England fail!
 

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I find it hilarious the cnuts on here claiming they wanted England to do well, but a few posts turned them off the idea.

Yeah right you bellends :lol:




Totally. But then, that's what you'd expect from any media trying to still be relevant in the internet I guess.
I used to quite like Spurs till I met Glaston. Don't underestimate the power of Alex
 

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Totally like a Glaston post after Spurs failed to win the league capitulating to Leicester. I vaguely remember you fought for the right to call them bottlers.
The England lads weren't as experienced as Croatia though.

Players like Dier, Kane, Pickford haven't won trophies with their clubs. Roy Keane, Lee Dixon, Ian Wright even said so. Many of these players play for midtable teams.
 

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I've always supported England at tournaments, bar Euro 2016. The utter delusion in this thread turned me right off. I still supported them tonight and I'm pretty gutted they went out tonight.
It's just more fun to see England lose, basically. It's not because I hate English people or the English team or anything, it's just... It's football, and football is all about letting your inner child out and my inner child always finds it hilarious to see England fail!
Fair play lads.

I'm well aware the reputation is deserved. At least we aren't all knuckle draggers, personally I'm over the moon with reaching the semis!
 

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Fair play lads.

I'm well aware the reputation is deserved. At least we aren't all knuckle draggers, personally I'm over the moon with reaching the semis!
You should be, I don't think anyone expected that at the start. It definitely puts England in good stead for the Euros. I really like Southgate as well.
 

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Totally like a Glaston post after Spurs failed to win the league capitulating to Leicester. I vaguely remember you fought for the right to call them bottlers.
Nah, ultimately England did bottle it tonight, but I still think they did themselves proud to be in a position to do so. Never seen them come through a penalty shoot-out and I'm only really old enough to have seen them win one knockout game, never mind breezing through a quarter-final.

Game should have been over at half-time, plenty of chances to extend the lead, Croatia didn't look settled at all, and we even got a good chunk of luck with that VAR decision right on half-time going our way after Maguire and Stones got the wrong side.

Croatia came out the second half looking a more settled side, which unnerved England, and went from strength to strength from there really. England struggled to keep the ball, playing loose passes, running into blind alleys, and on a couple of occasions causing their own problems with horrendous miscommunication at the back. They ended up relying on long balls up for someone to chase or flick on, almost playing for territory at times, while Croatia started to carve out actual chances. Big slice of luck again with the Perisic chance coming off the post and Rebic fluffing the rebound, and were even presented with a slight reprieve when they were chasing the equaliser when Kramaric(?) tried to shoot instead of squaring it to Perisic to make it 3-1.

At a time when they needed to perform for the whole game, there were too many moments where tiredness or uncertainty shone through. Young was completely bossed on his flank, Walker and Stones in particular looked very shaky, Alli was absent once again, Sterling was still lacking any end product, and even Kane, who'd I'd have banked on above anyone else in the side to score, bottled his one big chance.

Any international squad more represented by Spurs players than players from other clubs was going to bottle it eventually ;)
 

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Nah, ultimately England did bottle it tonight, but I still think they did themselves proud to be in a position to do so. Never seen them come through a penalty shoot-out and I'm only really old enough to have seen them win one knockout game, never mind breezing through a quarter-final.

Game should have been over at half-time, plenty of chances to extend the lead, Croatia didn't look settled at all, and we even got a good chunk of luck with that VAR decision right on half-time going our way after Maguire and Stones got the wrong side.

Croatia came out the second half looking a more settled side, which unnerved England, and went from strength to strength from there really. England struggled to keep the ball, playing loose passes, running into blind alleys, and on a couple of occasions causing their own problems with horrendous miscommunication at the back. They ended up relying on long balls up for someone to chase or flick on, almost playing for territory at times, while Croatia started to carve out actual chances. Big slice of luck again with the Perisic chance coming off the post and Rebic fluffing the rebound, and were even presented with a slight reprieve when they were chasing the equaliser when Kramaric(?) tried to shoot instead of squaring it to Perisic to make it 3-1.

At a time when they needed to perform for the whole game, there were too many moments where tiredness or uncertainty shone through. Young was completely bossed on his flank, Walker and Stones in particular looked very shaky, Alli was absent once again, Sterling was still lacking any end product, and even Kane, who'd I'd have banked on above anyone else in the side to score, bottled his one big chance.

Any international squad more represented by Spurs players than players from other clubs was going to bottle it eventually ;)
Great point, finally had as much as 5 players on the field.

But England can reflect on a great tournament.
 

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In all fairness, had Croatia ran rings round England then that would have nailed down the jammy England narrative. But that didn’t happen. England bossed the game for 45 minutes. It’s been a low quality WC overall and England are obviously a level below the very best. But not by much. I think they just about deserve to be in the top four. So they would arguably have made the semis from either half of the draw.
 

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I thought Southgate got his selection wrong. The defenders were too inexperienced. They were responsible for both the goals conceded. Stones went to sleep for the second goal.
 

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England never have it easy when on ITV. Such a jinx channel for the national team.:wenger:
 

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I thought Southgate got his selection wrong. The defenders were too inexperienced. They were responsible for both the goals conceded. Stones went to sleep for the second goal.
No, for me it was the failure to actually change anything. It was so clear what was happening early in the second half, yet it was just like for like changes.

Our defence was fine all tournament, today they needed extra protection when we started tiring. It was screaming out for a change.
 

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In all fairness, had Croatia ran rings round England then that would have nailed down the jammy England narrative. But that didn’t happen. England bossed the game for 45 minutes. It’s been a low quality WC overall and England are obviously a level below the very best. But not by much. I think they just about deserve to be in the top four. So they would arguably have made the semis from either half of the draw.
They would never have gotten past Brazil imo. Brazil was better than Belgium tbf, would've been much more acceptable to go out against them than against those French cnuts.

England had it quite "easy" but they still did well and yeah, they've shown that they're a very good side, which I'd agree to rank just below the absolute best sides. I think both England and Belgium will field close to their strongest XI on Saturday and will definitely want to win that game (certainly us, since it'd be our best ever result).
 

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Croatia had it easy too, Denmark, Russia and England are no world beaters. What did they do the last 8 years in football? England the same. Colombia without James in penalty shootout, Sweden, and now out against Croatia. Both teams will be lucky to see the semi finals in the coming years. For Croatia it doesnt matter, since their expectation is lower and nobody will care much for years to come if they win the thing now. England will look with regret at this game the coming years.
 

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No, for me it was the failure to actually change anything. It was so clear what was happening early in the second half, yet it was just like for like changes.

Our defence was fine all tournament, today they needed extra protection when we started tiring. It was screaming out for a change.
No. The two goals were conceded because of defensive laps as there was no one who was experienced and a leader. Both were very avoidable goals. Both were conceded because they went to sleep.