Mourinho has not built up a lot of goodwill with fan base. He should take a lesson from Klopp about PR.
Or he needs to win the lot, right now!
Mourinho or Pogba?
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Or he needs to win the lot, right now!
I don't gamble but I'd bet all that I have that Pogba vs Mourinho is just a sideshow.
That's why I haven't voted.
...no room for a bed.
It's the Fergie vs. Beckham sequel, isn't it? I picked Jose to keep, though I don't want either to leave. But in the case of player (singular) vs. manager, it should always be the player getting the boot. I don't like the idea of where the other road leads.
Jose.
I kind of agree, but what if the choice had been Moyes vs De Gea?
Depends who wants out. By the looks of it, it’s Paul.
Can we loan players in after Thursday or is it all activity finished?
Just wondering if loaning SMS for a year with option to buy is possible.
Pogba and Jose will mp stay for this year. One (minimum) will go next.
Can we loan players in after Thursday or is it all activity finished?
Just wondering if loaning SMS for a year with option to buy is possible.
Pogba and Jose will mp stay for this year. One (minimum) will go next.
Good point and I'd try weasel my way out of that by saying, that unlike Jose, Moyes won diddly squat before. So it's not like he was a great manager who was going through a tough time. Moyes was taking the club down, so he should've been booted out before it'd ever come to Moyes vs. De Gea situation, is what I'm trying to say.
Is jose bigger than the club?
To be honest, I wouldn't take issue with both leaving (and I would have picked it if it was an option). All the top clubs have a merry go round of managers and players with a behind the scenes structure making sure things go over smoothly. I have gotten tired of so much focus being on players and managers instead of the long term future of the club.
True, and simply playing devils advocate here: Jose has previous in terms of leaving clubs suddenly and letting star players go. It’s a tricky one.Good point and I'd try weasel my way out of that by saying, that unlike Jose, Moyes won diddly squat before. So it's not like he was a great manager who was going through a tough time. Moyes was taking the club down, so he should've been booted out before it'd ever come to Moyes vs. De Gea situation, is what I'm trying to say.
If Pogba wants Mourinho gone it doesn't mean he wants to run the club, it means he'd be happier working at United without Mourinho there. It's no different to any job where we have a manager who is a bellend and we'd be happier if they left. Ultimately it's for those in charge to decide what is best for the club. Is Pogba the problem or is it Mournho? Given the history one of them has for causing havoc and destroying all in their path, I know who I'd prefer to go.
Poll is raw! I think Pogba has not demonstrated he is worth £85m, even in todays market. Jose has us playing the worst football i have seen in years! He complains about everything and reminds me of a shadow, turns everything into darkness. The choice is a no brainer though, Pogba all the way. I believe if Jose left we would see a different Pogba like at the world cup.
I've just realised I've clicked Pogba instead of Jose, it was early. I thought it meant who would you rather leave.
I'd rather keep Jose all day, everyday. If Pogba was the 'returning home' UTD hero he is being made to be on here he would be taking whatever is troubling him and dealing with it for the good of the club. If he doesn't agree with his agent over the rumoured moves he should say so publicly. Whether or not he will go soon is a mute point, Pogba will go at some point.
He was so much better for France than he is at UTD. That is not all Jose's fault. Paul's attitude is not solely Jose's problem. I cannot stand players that elevate themselves above the team and manager. You could argue Ronaldo does but he can get away with it to a degree because he wins matches and is ruthlessly consistant performer, worth it. Pogba doesn't have that status.
I am also beginning to actually feel sorry for Mourinho and wouldn't blame him for walking away. He is far from perfect and some of his character traits are unsavoury to say the least but the press absolutely thrash him constantly, pantomime villain style. He doesn't get everything right but clearly he is working massively hard and has undeniably improved us but on here there is nothing but hatred for the man.
I'd rather keep Jose all day, everyday. If Pogba was the 'returning home' UTD hero he is being made to be on here he would be taking whatever is troubling him and dealing with it for the good of the club. If he doesn't agree with his agent over the rumoured moves he should say so publicly. Whether or not he will go soon is a mute point, Pogba will go at some point.
He was so much better for France than he is at UTD. That is not all Jose's fault. Paul's attitude is not solely Jose's problem. I cannot stand players that elevate themselves above the team and manager. You could argue Ronaldo does but he can get away with it to a degree because he wins matches and is ruthlessly consistant performer, worth it. Pogba doesn't have that status.
I am also beginning to actually feel sorry for Mourinho and wouldn't blame him for walking away. He is far from perfect and some of his character traits are unsavoury to say the least but the press absolutely thrash him constantly, pantomime villain style. He doesn't get everything right but clearly he is working massively hard and has undeniably improved us but on here there is nothing but hatred for the man.
So Mourinho and only mourinho is the reason Pogba hasn't performed for us?
Obviously De Gea. The canteen lady is a much more important figure in the club than David fecking Moyes. He's like Mr. Bean but not funny at all.
The thing is, there are no good candidates to replace Jose so it's not just about Pogba vs Mourinho. It's also about their potential replacements if They leave.
It's time for Pogba to roll his sleeves up and put in a shift for us week in / week out. Show us his football is more important than his hair. Roy Keane would have been thrashing him on a weekly basis until he did.
I don't give two shits what Pogba has done in the World Cup. I care about how he transcends it to his club form. He gives more of a shit about France because they're his country. He's quite clearly not loyal to any club to that degree so it's a flawed point.
I do care about a manager with the record Jose has, and the massive lack of available managers with quality near to his.
And at the rate both are yapping right now, neither are likely to stay much longer.
Keys has come out and said that some of the senior players are just fed up with Mourinho and his antics. If true, this could be a bad start to the season for us unless it's sorted very quickly. The board will have to step in and sort it out.
For his fans yes.
Most fans don't want to watch negative football. Pogba understandably don't want to waste 3-4 of his prime years as a footballer playing park the bus football.
Yeah but he hasn't for 2 years . And that's apparently Mourinho's fault. Even though he has broadly played in the position he's expected to be able to perform in with talent all around him.
The fact that Pogba, supposedly our best player, wants to leave is a damning indictment of Jose's man management. Same goes for Martial. Puts our so-called "progress", 2nd place and 2 trophies in perspective -- something's wrong when your best player wants shot of the manager after what can be classed as middling success.
Though I loathe the attitudes of both players and they share the blame, Jose needs to shape up or get out himself. This season will be decisive.
Though I loathe the attitudes of both players and they share the blame, Jose needs to shape up or get out himself. This season will be decisive.
Jose's past is in the past, he hasn't brought that to us and it doesn't look like he ever will. Shit on a stick football and one of the most unlikeable personalities in football is not exactly good selling points for Jose.
Definitive progress season upon season is and that is a massive selling point.
We certainly don't want it turning into what went on at Chelsea. Hope it's sorted before the season starts or it could ruin it for us.
Real Madrid are a good example that the stratergy of keeping a core of world class players together while changing the manager can lead to success. Chelsea have also succeeded to a certain extent with the same model. And of course some clubs have failed doing that too.
But to categorically state that the manager is Always more important than a world class player is a concept steeped in orthodoxy and ignorance.
But to categorically state that the manager is Always more important than a world class player is a concept steeped in orthodoxy and ignorance.
Jose all day. How sad that the majority would rather sack the manager (an all-time great) for a sulky player who hasn't earnt diddly with the club.
Pogba could go onto be one of our greatest ever premiership players, if he wants too. Mourinho wont be here in a couple of seasons even if he won the treble this season
Pogba is many times the player Martial is, obvs. Yet I can see why Martial might feel aggrieved by Jose’s treatment of him. Not saying he’s right, but the notion that he’s been unfairly treated isn’t totally ridiculous.
Pogba on the other hand has had nothing to complain about. Jose has thrown club legends (Scholes, Neville) under the bus defending him. Dropped him what: once? Twice? Changed formation to help him. Bought Matic to help him. Bought Fred to help him.
It may all be press bollox anyway, but if Pogba really wants out then I won’t be bothered. And if Jose walks tomorrow, I won’t be bothered either.
Hahaha... WUM surely. Pogba has won EXACTLY what José has won with the club... and if there's any stats for Pogba's sulks Vs Josés - it's a no contest!
Funny seeing the digs about Pogba's attitude while the same people aren't bothered by the excuse filled and near constant sourpuss that Jose has reverted back to
If that's the stick you want to use to be one of the other with,you can't be selective about it when it can easily be applied to both
If that's the stick you want to use to be one of the other with,you can't be selective about it when it can easily be applied to both
well i never said it was the only reason did I? Of course Pogba has to brunt some of the responsibility but for me, Jose is the main reason. I dont think Jose really know how to get the best out of him or how to accommodate him in his tactics. I know I would much rather keep Pogba who has tonnes of potential in his footballing ability over the potential I see in Jose style, brand and type of football.
I voted for Mourinho to stay because, regardless of his foibles, the board can't allow a player having a childish tantrum to dictate who they should employ as coach.
I'm also pissed off with Pogba because of the many reports that he's had his agent touting his services to rivals sides since the winter break (even to a certain very close rival). That's 6 months of him trying to engineer a future elsewhere. What sort of loyalty to the badge is that? It's no better than him spitting in the eye of every supporter. He has a legal contract and moral obligations, he should have some humility, buckle down and work hard to try to reach the potential that we paid for.
Having said that, the fact that we finished 2nd last season but only 20% would prefer Mourinho to stay says a lot about how dire our football is under the Miserable One.
Sorry to sound negative but we need loyal players.
I'm also pissed off with Pogba because of the many reports that he's had his agent touting his services to rivals sides since the winter break (even to a certain very close rival). That's 6 months of him trying to engineer a future elsewhere. What sort of loyalty to the badge is that? It's no better than him spitting in the eye of every supporter. He has a legal contract and moral obligations, he should have some humility, buckle down and work hard to try to reach the potential that we paid for.
Having said that, the fact that we finished 2nd last season but only 20% would prefer Mourinho to stay says a lot about how dire our football is under the Miserable One.
Sorry to sound negative but we need loyal players.
Well he's played him in a 3 and in a 2 with very good players. How else is anyone meant to accommodate him?
Go shit in your hat
Tactics are not the same as positions - it is not FM where you plug players into a formation and hope they do well. Pogba is played way too defensively and he then goes missing. One example, the City game we came from behind to win 3 -2, he started the game in a defensive role and was absolutely awful in the first half. The second half after 50ish mins, Jose plugs him behind the striker and he starts making runs into the box more often causing problems. 70ish min we are 3 2 up. Pogba was a massive influence on this. I am hoping that the signing of Fred rectifies this and allows Pogba to roam more in attacking positions. My gut feeling (and yes it is because I am a huge Jose basher and I dont care what you or anyone else thinks) is that Jose will still have us on the defensive line straining Pogba from making too many forward runs into the box where he is most dangerous. I hope I am wrong and they both do great and we win the league but I would much rather keep Pogba than Jose if given the choice on the basis I think Pogba has more to offer the club that Jose does.