Anyone else feeling disconnected from this current Man United?

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The atmosphere around United has not been this toxic in my lifetime. Granted we had the best manager in the World leading the club for 24 of my 29 years but it’s still sad where we are just five years after his departure.

Just a bunch of players who don’t seem to care managed by a manager who seems desperate.
 

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Oh come on. He understands what being a United player means yet doesn't forget to put his nickname/hashtag at the end. If he truly did that, he would have been ashamed to post on social media, seeking attention. It was disgraceful, and he was dreadful, apart from running he brought nothing in those 45 minutes of ''football''. If him and Pogba had any self awareness, they would have shut the feck up and go repay the fans like they should do, on the pitch, like the superstars they pretend to be.
I couldn't give a shit what hashtag he puts at the end of his posts... because I don't really care what he chooses to post on social media. It's not worthy of criticism. You are sounding like one of those idiots who thinks Pogba's hair is to blame for him hitting a wayward pass.

I take no issue with critiquing a player's performance, but it's a bit weird to relate that to their social media posts. As someone who traveled for six hours to get to the match yesterday, I appreciate the fact he came over to apologise after a poor performance and doesn't take the support for granted.
 

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I do slightly from the team, but more so from our fanbase who have shown themselves up in recent months and years to be some of the most self entitled, impatient, short memoried, spoilt, revisionists that have ever comprised a fanbase. We've held ourselves to be better than the likes of Chelsea and Real fans, on the majority we are not. The state of this place speaks volumes. Those who actively go out of their way to praise City and Liverpool are the worst, it's just not the done thing imo. time to back the manager and the team, those who can't so that should defect to Salford City or worse..
Yes, the fanbase is terrible. Nasty, mean, unforgiving, spoilt. Or should I say the people who post here, some very long term users, so they all can't be Liverpool fans!
Mourinho said the preseason was a mess, no support for him. He said he needed a defender, no support for that either, just more complaints.
 

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I agree with some of the posts on this thread and the frustrations of the fans, I myself have become a bit numb as a supporter. Never have I had such low expectations for a new season like this one. In the past if we had a bad game or we were playing badly I would get upset, scream at the TV and vent my frustrations at anyone who would listen. Nowadays I have come to accept bad performances as the norm and like the Brighton game yesterday I cannot get upset about it the way I used to in the past. Brighton outclassed us all over the pitch, no one can say we had the ref against us or that we were unlucky. The only consolation was that the scoreline at the end of the game wasn't portraying what was happening on the pitch.
It is as if the last year of the LvG and these 2 years of Jose have killed off some of my passion but too my expectations, don't get me wrong I shall support Utd to the end but won't be taking anything for granted.
We all knew before the season started we were not winning the league but should finish in the Top 4. I myself am not so confident we will finish Top 4, like last season we will have to rely on the inconsistencies of the clubs around us. I expected City to to be favourites again, Liverpool or Chelsea second and Utd in a battle with Tottenham for 4th. After yesterday's performance I am not so convinced we will finish in the Top 4 and if we keep producing performances like that we won't make Top 6.
 

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Completely. I can count the players I genuinely like on 1.5 hands. I don't like the manager, much, at all. I don't like the board. I don't like the atmosphere around the club in general.
 

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We've been spoilt as a fan base thanks to Fergie. Now we're just like any other club and it's hard to accept.

This season was the first United season in memory that I wasn't looking forward to. I hate that I feel that way but I can't help it.
 

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Meh. I think United fans just hate supporting a team that isn’t good any more. A hatred that gets projected on the players.

I doubt the City fans give two fecks about the flash cars and tweets from their players. Nor would we if our team was as good as theirs.

I’m definitely working on caring less about results. It’s easier that way. But I’m not gonna pretend modern football is the problem. I just need to adjust to supporting a team that’s a tier below the best around. Just like the vast majority of football fans. The first step is realising how insanely spoiled I was for such a long period of time.
That actually sounds pretty fair.

But things like these Woodward briefings this year or last year when he said we could do things in the transfer market no one else can but never actually showed up for it. Or Mourinho having a go at our youth players. Or players like Martial more walking than running and showing no passion at all. These things really are unacceptable no matter our results on the pitch. There have been quite a lot of things that really shouldn't happen at a club like United.
 

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Meh. I think United fans just hate supporting a team that isn’t good any more. A hatred that gets projected on the players.

I doubt the City fans give two fecks about the flash cars and tweets from their players. Nor would we if our team was as good as theirs.

I’m definitely working on caring less about results. It’s easier that way. But I’m not gonna pretend modern football is the problem. I just need to adjust to supporting a team that’s a tier below the best around. Just like the vast majority of football fans. The first step is realising how insanely spoiled I was for such a long period of time.
Well said,the players off the pitch lifestyles aren't responsible for the diabolical on pitch product we've been subjected to post-Fergie...

A lot of fans in here are coming off as quite out of touch/grumpy old man like with some of these comments regarding modern footy and getting upset over the same kind of stuff that happens at literally every top club
 

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Not a disconnect at all with me. Just a whole lot of frustration with this post Sir Alex era. It has been bungled quite extraordinarily. Opposition fans always predicted this happening to us post the great man's retirement, but dismissed their assertion as them being jealous. Quite disconcerting witnessing it playing out exactly that way. Go through peaks and troughs with my expectations. Two game in the season and have the same feeling that I had in seasons when Moyes and Van Gaal were fired.
 

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That actually sounds pretty fair.

But things like these Woodward briefings this year or last year when he said we could do things in the transfer market no one else can but never actually showed up for it. Or Mourinho having a go at our youth players. Or players like Martial more walking than running and showing no passion at all. These things really are unacceptable no matter our results on the pitch. There have been quite a lot of things that really shouldn't happen at a club like United.
It’s all depressing as hell but things like this happen at every club, all the time. People only get bothered about them if they coincide with poor performances on the pitch. It was only a couple of years back when Liverpool fans were up in arms about their owners and the panel of people who oversaw all their transfers and couldn’t get them the players they wanted/needed (Klopp himself seemed miffed about this at one point) As soon as they start playing well then none of that matters. Don’t see much moaning from them about the Fekir fiasco for example. It’s also typical of fans to find reasons to personally dislike players that play badly, while forgiving everything from players who play well.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m very pissed off with Woodward and Mourinho. And we’ve a shitload of players in our squad I won’t miss when they’re gone. I just think this is normal enough in football. The “falling out of love with the game” stuff just seems very spoiled/melodramatic.
 

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If anything, the problem is our fans are too patient. I can't imagine any other set of fans singing the manager's name, like ours have, after enduring the shit Mourinho puts us through.
Those fans are the only part of the club that still feels like Man Utd to me. Backing the manager, sticking together, putting aside personal dislike and trying to get somewhere together...

...I wish our players had that much love for the club.

The international break will be a bag of laughs. Every player's uncle, aunt and agent will be briefing the media about big bad Mr Mourinho and how terrible life is playing for England's most successful club.
 

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I agree with some of the posts on this thread and the frustrations of the fans, I myself have become a bit numb as a supporter. Never have I had such low expectations for a new season like this one. In the past if we had a bad game or we were playing badly I would get upset, scream at the TV and vent my frustrations at anyone who would listen. Nowadays I have come to accept bad performances as the norm and like the Brighton game yesterday I cannot get upset about it the way I used to in the past. Brighton outclassed us all over the pitch, no one can say we had the ref against us or that we were unlucky. The only consolation was that the scoreline at the end of the game wasn't portraying what was happening on the pitch.
It is as if the last year of the LvG and these 2 years of Jose have killed off some of my passion but too my expectations, don't get me wrong I shall support Utd to the end but won't be taking anything for granted.
We all knew before the season started we were not winning the league but should finish in the Top 4. I myself am not so confident we will finish Top 4, like last season we will have to rely on the inconsistencies of the clubs around us. I expected City to to be favourites again, Liverpool or Chelsea second and Utd in a battle with Tottenham for 4th. After yesterday's performance I am not so convinced we will finish in the Top 4 and if we keep producing performances like that we won't make Top 6.
Entirely this! Never have I been so depressed and it’s 2 games in.
 

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Just to be clear. You think it’s an either/or thing? Him posting stuff on social media somehow retrospectively makes the prior performance worse? Or him not playing well somehow means he isn’t allowed to use social media? Because the former seems improbable and the latter unworkable. Who defines exactly how well he needs to play before he’s allowed to post on Instagram?
It means, he is more concerned about his social media standing than the shit the fans got served and he hypocritically tries to tell that he understands. It's not about whether he is allowed, we are not running the KGB here, yeah it makes it performance even worse. It shows how far up his ass he really is. They think they are better than they really are. Nobody bar himself will decide how well he needs to play, he should know himself. That's one of the points, zero self awareness.
 

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I'm just tired of a team that's dull as feck to watch. It bothers me a lot more than not winning or challenging for the league in what would most likely be 6 seasons does. I mean, for the money spent, we should challenge for the big trophies too. But the piss poor football is one big fecking gaping hole for me. That genuine feeling of looking forward to our match on the weekend has been replaced by a small part of me that's hopeful of an entertaining watch and the rest of me dreading another life sucking 2 hours frustration fest.
 

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Consider this a bonding experience. 10 years from now those still here will be talking about the half-decade post Fergie as the period that separated the chaff from the wheat.

Personally, I feel more connected now. The harder and more agonising it gets the more eagerly I await for the games in hope we'll turn it all around. When a bad game like yesterday's against Brighton happens, I can't wait for the next one.

It's a form of masochism, I know.
 

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A couple of my United mates have said they aren’t going to watch any more games at OT until José is gone.

Not sure I agree tbh, part of supporting your team is being there even when things are very bad. I guess barren spells are part and parcel of football, albeit one we aren’t very used too as united fans (talking about Under 30 year olds such as myself.)
 

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A big issue (maybe it’s already been said in the thread) is knowing the resources United have.

We can’t compete with oil clubs sure. But we should never be playing like Stoke, even if we manage to reach 2nd by hook or by crook.

That’s what I mean by I’m not bothered if we never win another league title. You’ve no right to win things but with the size of the club, the money we have and the fan base we have - we really should be the entertainment of the league (alongside a few others). Right now we’re a side that people deride for how awful we are to watch (and it ain’t out of jealously anymore).
 

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It's not even the lack of success upsetting me. I can stomach that. 5 years of watching shit on a stick football is taking its toll. It's just tumescent after tumescent nonsense.
 

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Those fans are the only part of the club that still feels like Man Utd to me. Backing the manager, sticking together, putting aside personal dislike and trying to get somewhere together...

...I wish our players had that much love for the club.

The international break will be a bag of laughs. Every player's uncle, aunt and agent will be briefing the media about big bad Mr Mourinho and how terrible life is playing for England's most successful club.
Fans still getting behind their team and manager after finishing second in the league. Outrageous! They should be burning effigies.
I meant it as a compliment! No other set of matchgoing fans would be so supportive.

Saying that, I do think lot of United fans mistake supporting the team for blindly supporting the manager. We really should be more comfortable with letting go of managers quickly. Moyes, LVG and, probably, Mourinho, should've been sacked earlier.
 

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It's not even the lack of success upsetting me. I can stomach that. 5 years of watching shit on a stick football is taking its toll. It's just tumescent after tumescent nonsense.
It's testing your faith. Only the truly pious will persevere.
 

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A couple of my United mates have said they aren’t going to watch any more games at OT until José is gone.

Not sure I agree tbh, part of supporting your team is being there even when things are very bad. I guess barren spells are part and parcel of football, albeit one we aren’t very used too as united fans (talking about Under 30 year olds such as myself.)
Some of my mates wouldn't go as soon as he got hired.

You have to remember that for years we hated Mourinho. I thought he was a disgrace to football. Hiring him was always going to cause extreme reactions, I don't think it makes them leess of a fa.
 

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I couldn't give a shit what hashtag he puts at the end of his posts... because I don't really care what he chooses to post on social media. It's not worthy of criticism. You are sounding like one of those idiots who thinks Pogba's hair is to blame for him hitting a wayward pass.

I take no issue with critiquing a player's performance, but it's a bit weird to relate that to their social media posts. As someone who traveled for six hours to get to the match yesterday, I appreciate the fact he came over to apologise after a poor performance and doesn't take the support for granted.
I couldn't give a shit what hairstyle they choose to have or their challenges or hashtags. But posting about how he really appreciates something and how they really care and yet they use the moment to promote themselves speaks volumes about the character. And I'm sure many fans won't give a feck if he came over to apologize, because it will happen again, like it happened before. How they perform on the pitch tells the story about how they truly care about the club, not if they come over and apologize. This bunch of players we have, has shown that they can do the talking but can't back it up on the pitch.
 

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It means, he is more concerned about his social media standing than the shit the fans got served and he hypocritically tries to tell that he understands. It's not about whether he is allowed, we are not running the KGB here, yeah it makes it performance even worse. It shows how far up his ass he really is. They think they are better than they really are. Nobody bar himself will decide how well he needs to play, he should know himself. That's one of the points, zero self awareness.
I'm royally p'd at a lot of stuff related to United right now, hence why I bumped this thread. Jesse Lingard and Marcus Rashford are some of the few things I am not annoyed about though.

Trust me. Jesse gives back to the fans.

He gives back a lot more than some of the players whose backsides take a massive kissing from a lot of our fans.

Jesse got masses of s-t and still does for not being Ronaldo Mk2. In the same way that people used to call Fletch 'Fergie's son' and all that. Just because he's not got the best FIFA scores.

But there's a reason Mourinho starts him whenever he's fully fit and there's a reason a lot of match going fans love Jesse.



Trust me Jesse is one of us, one of the few left in this team of self-serving 'stars'.
 
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The only thing hard about the current United side is the unwilling to fight and playing half arsed. Pretty hard to support some half arsed arrogant rich players unwilling to fight for the win tbh. The kind of football played won't affect my affection for the team, but the uninteresting and uncaring half arsed way of playing most of our players do. Make it hard to love them tbh.
 

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I’ve not been to a match since Moyes was here and I’m not even bothered.
 

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The only thing hard about the current United side is the unwilling to fight and playing half arsed. Pretty hard to support some half arsed arrogant rich players unwilling to fight for the win tbh. The kind of football played won't affect my affection for the team, but the uninteresting and uncaring half arsed way of playing most of our players do. Make it hard to love them tbh.
I agree with you.

There is an argument to be made this our squad contains more gifted players than at any time since 2008-09, what they have in ability they lack in heart though.

Some of the lads we have in this team couldn't hold a candle to someone like Ji-Sung Park. All the talent in the world and none of the toughness needed to take that talent somewhere.

I'm actually convinced we could sell our 'best' players and improve as a team, simply by having more players out there willing to work for the shirt.

You look at some of the teams Fergie put out. They might be technically inferior to this United but they'd bully this team just like they used to bully Arsenal.
 

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I don't get this criticism of players on social media, just don't follow their insta or twitter or facebook, it's what I do, I don't give a shit to what they are doing in their personal time, just judge them on their performances on the pitch.

People like and are addicted to receiving validations from others in the forms of likes, follows and whatnots in this age of social media, even common people get giddy when their picture or tweets receive attention and young footballers with huge fan following will obviously take part in that, there is no point in criticizing it, it just the way of life now. And again no point in comparing with the past generation footballers too.
 

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Couldn't really care whether the players are likeable or not. For me its the lack of entertainment. I'm busier now than I've even been before and watching every United game is something that I have to work my life around.

I do it because its a habit and I've done it all my life, and of course because United have provided so many important memories for me, but since Ferguson left I've rarely consistently enjoyed watching our football and I'm always questioning why I bother still. I don't think its a glory hunter thing on my part - but maybe it is. I just don't enjoy watching us play football all that much anymore.
 

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I'm royally p'd at a lot of stuff related to United right now, hence why I bumped this thread. Jesse Lingard and Marcus Rashford are some of the few things I am not annoyed about though.

Trust me. Jesse gives back to the fans.

He gives back a lot more than some of the players' whose backsides take a massive kissing from a lot of our fans.

Jesse got masses of s-t and still does for not being Ronaldo Mk2. In the same way that people used to call Fletch 'Fergie's son' and all that. Just because he's not got the best FIFA scores.

But there's a reason Mourinho starts him whenever he's fully fit and there's a reason a lot of match going fans love Jesse.



Trust me Jesse is one of us, one of the few left in this team of self-serving 'stars'.
Then why are neither of them improving their game?
 

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You certainly find out who the true fans of the team are.

We are acting like spoilt children and it is a given Man United are going to be back up there. Football has always worked in cycles. We have lost 1 game ffs. Talk about an over reaction.

Yes we didnt play well - but when players make fundamental mistakes like Bailey did yesterday - what can you do?

I have been going to watch lower league football for a while now and wow the difference between supporters and fans are amazing. None of this hyperbolic nonsense or over analysis when losing,
 

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I agree with you.

There is an argument to be made this our squad contains more gifted players than at any time since 2008-09, what they have in ability they lack in heart though.

Some of the lads we have in this team couldn't hold a candle to someone like Ji-Sung Park. All the talent in the world and none of the toughness needed to take that talent somewhere.

I'm actually convinced we could sell our 'best' players and improve as a team, simply by having more players out there willing to work for the shirt.

You look at some of the teams Fergie put out. They might be technically inferior to this United but they'd bully this team just like they used to bully Arsenal.
I would take Fergie last title winning team over this any time, even if Fergie's last squad had far less quality than the current ones, they were fighters and winners.

I have no problem playing shite but show me you care and fight to get a result. The attitude of our team in the second half was disgusting. Impossible to love these players if they're not willing to fight for the fans then run to social media and say "oh we're so sad we'll win the next match no prob".

Want a time machine to jump back to 2006 all honestly.
 

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Would not say disconnected, but getting fed up with our away form. The tactics away from home are to basically win 1-0 every game.
 

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Then why are neither of them improving their game?
I think you'll find they are both improving and maybe after they've had more than two weeks training you'll see that on the pitch.

Jesse was one of our best players last season. Or did you miss the part where he ran the length of the pitch at Watford, Milly Rocked at the Emirates and scored the winner against Chelsea?
 

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it makes them any less of a fan, everyone has the right to make their own decisions after all, it’s just not something which I would necessarily do.

I’ve had too many good memories at OT , and I enjoy matchday too much, the drinks after and going to the same curry house.

I feel disconnected with this team for sure, but not for the club.

Edit: @Wumminator , sorry meant to make this as a reply to yours !
 

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I would take Fergie last title winning team over this any time, even if Fergie's last squad had far less quality than the current ones, they were fighters and winners.

I have no problem playing shite but show me you care and fight to get a result. The attitude of our team in the second half was disgusting. Impossible to love these players if they're not willing to fight for the fans then run to social media and say "oh we're so sad we'll win the next match no prob".

Want a time machine to jump back to 2006 all honestly.
Most didn't care. Jesse came on and put in some runs. Same with Marcus. But most were just happy strolling about. Doing the sum total of nothing. Hiding behind the manager, letting him take the blame.