‘Disrespecting’ opponents...

[Rozay]

This has been something that has been said for years in the game with regards to what is perceived as showboating, and seems to be frowned upon. The nutmeg, in particular, is apparently a real affront to professional pride, and I’ve heard players say that they pull up their teammates for doing it, or they have lost their temper from having it done to them even in training.

I remember reading a story that a college or high school basketball (I think) coach was sacked in the US a few years ago for ‘allowing’ his team to win 50-0 or something like that.

What are your views on this? To me, I’m not sure players have some sort of obligation to not put the ball through someone’s legs or generally just enjoy their game. Nothing immoral about it to me.

 

[Schmiznurf]

Anyone who views the nutmeg as disrespectful clearly drinks their own piss and eats their own shit.

 

[vangagal]

Its a part of the game. Nothing wrong with nutmeg or some sort. If your opponent weaker than you nothing more respect than try your best against them even it means the scoreline would get 10-0. Its disrespecting them if you pitying them by held back a bit.

 

[Rozay]

Anyone who views the nutmeg as disrespectful clearly drinks their own piss and eats their own shit.

Not unusual to see teams try to injure a player who performs one for some reason.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Anyone who views the nutmeg as disrespectful clearly drinks their own piss and eats their own shit.

Phil neville said it. And he is not the only one. Untalented players who can't do basic dribble, think like that.

 

[Rozay]

Phil neville said it. And he is not the only one. Untalented players who can't do basic dribble, think like that.

Yea, ‘professionals don’t like that sort of thing’.

 

[Snowjoe]

People getting megged is one of life’s great pleasures.

Obviously doesn’t count if you don’t shout “megged” though

 

[Cloud7]

Beating players with tricks like nutmegs etc are one of the greatest joys in football for me. It’s one of the reasons why I enjoy Neymar so much, despite his many other negative traits. I’ve never understood this “disrespecting” your opponents thing either. To me it smacks of something pushed by less talented footballers who aren’t able to dazzle viewers with skills, so make it out as something “disrespectful” and “unprofessional”.

 

[Cloud7]

Phil neville said it. And he is not the only one. Untalented players who can't do basic dribble, think like that.

Yup I’m pretty sure that is the reason. They can’t do it themselves so try to make it out to be a bad thing.

 

[limerickcitykid]

If you're losing your temper because you get nutmegged it's because you're shit at football and have anger problems.

You see it all too often in Sunday league or 6-aside. I've had games called early, mass brawls start and even refs telling us to stop it because people can't handle getting dribbled past.

 

[Tommy]

This is uncalled for:


Anything short of that, like megs & whatnot, absolutely fine.

 

[Art Vandelay]

This has been something that has been said for years in the game with regards to what is perceived as showboating, and seems to be frowned upon. The nutmeg, in particular, is apparently a real affront to professional pride, and I’ve heard players say that they pull up their teammates for doing it, or they have lost their temper from having it done to them even in training.

I remember reading a story that a college or high school basketball (I think) coach was sacked in the US a few years ago for ‘allowing’ his team to win 50-0 or something like that.

What are your views on this? To me, I’m not sure players have some sort of obligation to not put the ball through someone’s legs or generally just enjoy their game. Nothing immoral about it to me.

I think the Americans do take a dim view of it. I remember something being said while watching an NHL match once about one team being unprofessional running the score up on another. I didn't get it, they were both professional NHL teams and if one team wanted it to stop they needed to be less shit and shut up shop. I'm not sure about their stance on individual tricks and piss taking.

I'm all for a bit of trickery within reason. What I'm dead against though is dancing like a twat in an FA Cup Final.

 

[vangagal]

I think the Americans do take a dim view of it. I remember something being said while watching an NHL match once about one team being unprofessional running the score up on another. I didn't get it, they were both professional NHL teams and if one team wanted it to stop they needed to be less shit and shut up shop. I'm not sure about their stance on individual tricks and piss taking.

I'm all for a bit of trickery within reason. What I'm dead against though is dancing like a twat in an FA Cup Final.

You must hate Pardew that much

 

[Moonred]

I should be respectful and hit your shin instead of megging you. Scoring a goal is also disrespectful.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Love showboating, it's entertainment and if you don't like it as a defender you're free to take the ball if you can.

 

[Rozay]

I think the Americans do take a dim view of it. I remember something being said while watching an NHL match once about one team being unprofessional running the score up on another. I didn't get it, they were both professional NHL teams and if one team wanted it to stop they needed to be less shit and shut up shop. I'm not sure about their stance on individual tricks and piss taking.

I'm all for a bit of trickery within reason. What I'm dead against though is dancing like a twat in an FA Cup Final.

Yea, dancing off the pitch while game is still going on is poor form, but thankfully Pardew got what he deserved that day.

 

[Nick7]

Don't give a toss. If you're afraid of getting megged, or get upset about it you shouldn't be playing football.

Same goes with large losses. The US view on them "running up the score" is silly and antithetical to professional sports.

 

[Art Vandelay]

You must hate Pardew that much

Yes! The only man that could get away with that dance is Lee Sharpe.

 

[Rozay]

I remember Rooney taking out Ronaldo at 03:35 in this video for this reason. Ronnie had been running rings around Everton all game and Rooney clearly had enough.


No better example than this clip of Nani though (the commentary sums it up). Nani doing some juggling against Arsenal and they try and take him out.


Lastly, there’s this James Morrison red card on Ronaldo in similar circumstances. Sheer frustration at being teased.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

I am for players attempting tricks I even love when GKs and CBs try it.

 

[SirAF]

This has been something that has been said for years in the game with regards to what is perceived as showboating, and seems to be frowned upon. The nutmeg, in particular, is apparently a real affront to professional pride, and I’ve heard players say that they pull up their teammates for doing it, or they have lost their temper from having it done to them even in training.

I remember reading a story that a college or high school basketball (I think) coach was sacked in the US a few years ago for ‘allowing’ his team to win 50-0 or something like that.

What are your views on this? To me, I’m not sure players have some sort of obligation to not put the ball through someone’s legs or generally just enjoy their game. Nothing immoral about it to me.

It’s daft.

 

[Rozay]

It’s daft.

I agree. Look at the last two clips I posted couple above though. Sort of thing seems to happen a lot, and the commentators/pundits from the ‘old school’ seem to think it’s fair game too. ‘If he did that to me he’d be in the stands’. Fecking morons.

 

[a_devil_inside]

, It's alright when it's for something useful, loved Nani's against Arsenal

 

[SirAF]

I agree. Look at the last two clips I posted couple above though. Sort of thing seems to happen a lot, and the commentators/pundits from the ‘old school’ seem to think it’s fair game too. ‘If he did that to me he’d be in the stands’. Fecking morons.

Yeah, I mean, showboating is a part of the game. Remember Nani v Arsenal?

 

[Rozay]

Yeah, I mean, showboating is a part of the game. Remember Nani v Arsenal?

Yea it’s one of the clips I posted above. What was telling is the way Arsenal reacted to it though. Tried to do him.

 

[RoyH1]

If you're up by 3 or 4, a nutmeg might be a tad excessive. But I agree, players who complain about them are generally technically limited guys who cannot do it themselves.

 

[barros]

Anyone who views the nutmeg as disrespectful clearly drinks their own piss and eats their own shit.

 

[iammemphis]

I get it usually with show boating, but i always loved that Nani vs Arsenal clip. I remember feeling abit pissed off when i heard everyone saying he should cut it out and that Fergie was going to have a word.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I don’t think nutmegging is showboating, anymore than a Cruyff turn. You get a nutmeg right, your past your opposition, unlike just knocking it to his right or left. Standing on the ball, keep ups etc don’t actually serve a purpose on the pitch and are just taking the Mick, do that and be prepared to be deservedly smashed.

 

[Chipper]

Showboating can be disrespectful but a nutmeg is just a way to beat a player and isn't showboating in my book. A decent proportion of nutmegs are unintended anyway. Trying to knock a ball just to the side of a player he can move somewhere you weren't expecting and nutmeg himself.

 

[Canagel]

Showboating is part of the game. Nutmegs, flicks, drops of the shoulder... It's all part of the spectacle. Anyone who thinks it's disrespectful needs to have their head checked.

 

[Tarrou]

taking the piss is great football wouldn't be the same without it

I also kind of appreciate it when a showboater gets nailed with a strong (but fair) challenge during or soon after the showboating

 

[djembatheking]

 

[SalfordRed18]

This is uncalled for:


Anything short of that, like megs & whatnot, absolutely fine.

 

[Rozay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40289256

Not quite a nutmeg but...

A Spanish youth coach is sacked after his team wins 25-0

• 15 Jun 2017
• From the sectionEuropean Football

Many Spanish youth clubs are said to stop counting once the scoreline reaches double digits
The coach of a Spanish youth team has been sacked after a 25-0 win - because the club's management decided the margin of victory went against the spirit of the game.

After defeating fellow Valencia side Benicalap C on 3 June, Serranos B's under-11 manager was removed from his position.

"We believe in encouraging respect for your opponents. After the result, we decided that the manager should leave," Pablo Alcaide, who helps run the side, told El Pais.

However, the Spanish newspaper also published comments from the manager's lawyer, who insisted his client had not pushed players to score as many as they could.

The manager instead instructed his side "to pressure only in their own half" in the eight-a-side game, but Benicalap C "continued to attack and left spaces in behind", the lawyer said.

The game was Benicalap C's final match of the season. They finished bottom of the league with zero points and 247 goals conceded from their 30 matches.

El Pais reports that such one-sided scores are not infrequent in Spanish youth football, but many clubs stop counting once they have scored more than 10 goals.

The English FA's latest guidance to youth coaches, published in 2012, is designed to "challenge the win-at-all-costs mentality that is stifling development and enjoyment for young people".

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Well you should not be running up the score in under 11s.

 

[Arruda]

I am for players attempting tricks I even love when GKs and CBs try it.

 

[HTG]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40289256

Not quite a nutmeg but...

That‘s a difficult one. Happened to be on the winning side of something like this once. Guess we were about 10 and we were pretty good. Biggest team around the area. I was playing as a goalkeeper. We won 31:0. I scored three goals. Only one of those was a penalty.
What I’m trying to say is, that I once won a game by 31:0 and scored three goals as a keeper.

 

[Rozay]

Well you should not be running up the score in under 11s.

I guess your opponents may cry or something.

 

[Rozay]

That‘s a difficult one. Happened to be on the winning side of something like this once. Guess we were about 10 and we were pretty good. Biggest team around the area. I was playing as a goalkeeper. We won 31:0. I scored three goals. Only one of those was a penalty.
What I’m trying to say is, that I once won a game by 31:0 and scored three goals as a keeper.

I get that, but I think it’s almost hard to deliberately try to NOT score goals when you can. If anything, it will look just as disrespectful if it’s obvious that you are trying not to score.

I remember thinking that City were quite obviously doing that against Arsenal at The Emirates last season in the second half. Arsene Wenger was about to lose 4 in a row, and were virtually beaten by half time. City seemed to keep turning back whenever they got towards the goal in the second half, and I was certain it was under Pep’s direction. It was very unlike them in general.

Reading that article about the Spanish coach being sacked, perhaps it’s a cultural thing there.