Pretty much my thoughts on the issue, in sum.
Pogba told the club he wants to leave
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Definitely not him.
You just bought Pogba, Lukaku and a few others for over 200m not so long ago though, so it's not that ridiculous tbf. It's not like you're not splashing the cash lately.
Pogba should be given another shot, we shouldn't give up on world class skill without trying a new manager (or a new formation and support which Mou won't give.) such as Zidane. I'd be interested in seeing Zidane at United. What other changes he would make.
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Yes but those are multiple players, our highest ever is Pogba at 90m. El Khelaifi would probably demand over 200m for Mbappe and I can guarantee this club will never spend that ammount on one player. To be honest Mbappe isn't even what we need at the moment. What we need is a decent CB pairing and 2 solid wingers our flanks have been useless for ages now, and of course a new manager but I expect that to happen shortly anyways, it's clear as day to see Mourinhos days are nearing an end.
Why not feck Mourinho off, get in a new manager and see what effect that has on the squad?
If I'm naive, then you're a gullible click bait target.
I would also keep Pogba, at least until another coach decides if it is a problem of attitude or simply he was fed up with the system and the future of the team. Is it so clear that Barcelona want to sign him and have the money for it?
No you can't, don't be daft. With this crazy market going like this in the last few years you probably will, and I bet it won't even take 5-6 years.
Daily mail and sun, obviously there is a story between Jose and Pogba, so let's report a transfer story.
Can't blame though, it works for them.
Can't blame though, it works for them.
Reliability of these stories aside. We clearly do have some constant rumblings.
The one question I'd like to ask is - why have we seemingly been so completely shite at managing big personalities and superstar players since the SAF era? Why can Barça manage to keep not just Messi, but also Suarez, and previously Neymar all somehow willing to fight for the club and also fit through the same proverbial door? Or how about much closer by? City for years now has somehow managed to keep some of its superstars in check - even with the rotation in managers.
Why would United suddenly be so inept at managing a player like Pogba? FFS we had some of the world s biggest divas of all time playing for us for years and we made it work. Seems to be the whole organization needs a kick in the arse. Perhaps if our PR folks for starters would do a bit better job at controlling the narrative. I can imagine even the players themselves don't know what s true and not true sometimes when things are written about the coach and other players.
The one question I'd like to ask is - why have we seemingly been so completely shite at managing big personalities and superstar players since the SAF era? Why can Barça manage to keep not just Messi, but also Suarez, and previously Neymar all somehow willing to fight for the club and also fit through the same proverbial door? Or how about much closer by? City for years now has somehow managed to keep some of its superstars in check - even with the rotation in managers.
Why would United suddenly be so inept at managing a player like Pogba? FFS we had some of the world s biggest divas of all time playing for us for years and we made it work. Seems to be the whole organization needs a kick in the arse. Perhaps if our PR folks for starters would do a bit better job at controlling the narrative. I can imagine even the players themselves don't know what s true and not true sometimes when things are written about the coach and other players.
Both can go.
I’d take Rakitic and look for someone younger.
I’d take Rakitic and look for someone younger.
We’re in an unfortunate position where we need him more than he needs us.
On the other hand, if we choose player over a manager then we’re in an even worse situation.
It’s obvious there are serious issues between Pogba and Jose, whether he asked to leave or not and I don’t see how we can keep both.
Let’s not kid ourself, he’s a very special player, his size,technique,dribbling and passing abilities combined are very unique weapon to possess in a squad.
Perhaps he’s not entirety happy not only because our style of play or his relationship with the manager, maybe he wants to leave because he doesn’t have faith in this team, it’s his third season here and he’s not 21 anymore.
All in all, I’m sorry but I honestly think we’re basically fecked for the next 3-5 years, not “midtale fecked”, but “Arsenal fecked” for sure.
There are so many things that went wrong for us since SAF retired, that it is just mind-boggling, it’s almost like we’re paying karmic debt for all the Fergie years.
On the other hand, if we choose player over a manager then we’re in an even worse situation.
It’s obvious there are serious issues between Pogba and Jose, whether he asked to leave or not and I don’t see how we can keep both.
Let’s not kid ourself, he’s a very special player, his size,technique,dribbling and passing abilities combined are very unique weapon to possess in a squad.
Perhaps he’s not entirety happy not only because our style of play or his relationship with the manager, maybe he wants to leave because he doesn’t have faith in this team, it’s his third season here and he’s not 21 anymore.
All in all, I’m sorry but I honestly think we’re basically fecked for the next 3-5 years, not “midtale fecked”, but “Arsenal fecked” for sure.
There are so many things that went wrong for us since SAF retired, that it is just mind-boggling, it’s almost like we’re paying karmic debt for all the Fergie years.
Maybe our success won't match his ambition however we plays?
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Yeah it's connected. As I said in the other thread both are at fault. There's no excuse for Pogba actions right now. Of course you can question the sources, I question them too.
You don't like Mourinho very much, I get it but you just can't excuse Pogba. Being a fan and a player are 2 totally different things. You don't undermine the manager like that whatever you think. It's sets an awful precedent.
This.
Even if it was said by a player who was churning out blistering performances every week, it wouldn't be acceptable, even less so from an overrated showpony who shows some interest one match in four.
He blows hot and cold but is our only current player that could be future worlds best with the right manager. Every agrees right?
He’s played amazing under other managers already. Right?
Our current ‘manager’ who is turning our club into a laughing stock, doesn’t have a game plan, blames his players for him not having ideas and is the most miserable devisive fecker since ‘Margaret’ can’t get the best out of him. Right?
So we sell Pogba??
I give up
He’s played amazing under other managers already. Right?
Our current ‘manager’ who is turning our club into a laughing stock, doesn’t have a game plan, blames his players for him not having ideas and is the most miserable devisive fecker since ‘Margaret’ can’t get the best out of him. Right?
So we sell Pogba??
I give up
Everything about the club at the moment seem so toxic
It was always going to be. Some of us knew how toxic Jose was before he came. Others just wont here a bad word about him.This gets better
Mourinho's somehow managing to outdo Van Gaal and Moyes. Most toxic and corrosive tenure we've ever had.
Saying that though I don’t think Pogba is the type of player that will be at a club for the long haul. I think he and his agent are all about optimising the opportunity to make money.
We had a better manager.
No player is bigger than the club, goodbye
I wouldn't be devastated if he left, but I'd 100% keep him over Mourinho. The guy clearly has talent, but he's not the one to be our main guy that makes the team tick. We need someone else to do that. A Scholes/Xavi type player.
Should Pogba be made player-manager? 
Pogba basically said we're 'Manchester United' and we should play 'the Manchester United way'. He came through the youth system at the club and understands what the fans want. He could let it go but deep down it's hurting him to see the team playing such dire football. When you have such a high profile player in the team of course there will be some frustration. I don't think he actively is seeking a move for the sake of it. If we were playing amazing football and challenging for titles there would be no reason for any drama to happen.
Him raising his game the past few games is just to shove it to Mourinho and build the narrative for the media. He has no real intention to maintain this for the team. Sorry but you can’t build a team around a player with this mentality
Maybe its nothing to do with money. Pogbas just won the WC and wants to win leagues and Champions leagues. Something hes not going to do here. Well under Mourinho anyroad. We cant even beat Derby at home in the mickey mouse cup or whatever its called nowadays ffs. We have to face it and say overall for the money making behemoth utd is, its also got a shit team.
The possibility of us letting our best outfield player (by some distance) leave to keep a man who is so far past his best as coach absolutely baffles me. Mind boggling.
He really isn't. There are hundreds of players out there who could put in half arsed performances and whine whine about everything anytime they open their mouths. We would be better off with a less talented player who puts in constant 7/10 performances than one who is as likely to put in a 4/10 as a 9/10
The only thing pogba loves is pogba.
Quite honestly I'd be glad to see the back of the prissy whinny bitch
How?
Silly thing to say, you don't know that, do you?
Couldn't agree more. Pogba is playing within himself a lot, and he's still comfortably our best outfield player.
We'll look like mugs once again if we let him go, especially if we keep a dinosaur like Jose over him. Even if Pogba goes first then Jose follows soon after, I bet Jose would see it as a small victory just to win that particular war.
Honestly I don't believe Pogba is that desperate to leave, if he was going to be this quick to jump ship, I've no idea why he ever came back.
Great way to start the day with a spot of breakfast and reading about Pogba. Haven't read all 6 pages so I'd like to ask, has a proper journalist confirmed any of this?
The club needs to fix this. Just kicking selling Pogba is not a solution. It's impossible to replace him in the current market and the way Mou has us playing we wouldn't get much mileage out of any replacements anyway.
Aditionally, all this circus is part of that fat cnut Raiola's plan to ship him to Barcelona for less than full market price.
If Pogba leaves, it should be on a deal we think is beneficial to United. We don't need to sell. Get some feelers out to clubs that might be interested in and can pay for Pogba (PSG, Real). If Barsa gets him it should NOT be cheap. Anything less than 2nd most expensive player will not do
The club needs to fix this. Just kicking selling Pogba is not a solution. It's impossible to replace him in the current market and the way Mou has us playing we wouldn't get much mileage out of any replacements anyway.
Aditionally, all this circus is part of that fat cnut Raiola's plan to ship him to Barcelona for less than full market price.
If Pogba leaves, it should be on a deal we think is beneficial to United. We don't need to sell. Get some feelers out to clubs that might be interested in and can pay for Pogba (PSG, Real). If Barsa gets him it should NOT be cheap. Anything less than 2nd most expensive player will not do
I just don't get how any Utd fan would be happy to lose Pogba, then Jose soon after. Wouldn't it make you a feel sick that such a talented player leaves because of a bloke who has no future at the club anyway? I'd be furious, it would probably be even more annoying than when he left the first time.
A less talented player than Pogba and our current performances would be worse. He has been our most consistent player this season.
Fantastic player, i rate him as one of the best players in the world but he is toxic for this squad. He needs to go because i don't see any desire in him to be here. He doesn't care for squad, for result, for anything. He only cares for himself and for transfer in Barca
I'd also be pissed if I'm one of the best workers but my boss fails badly with the strategy and talks shit about his team members
Was he toxic for France? Quite the opposite, so it has more to do than him just being selfish or a diva
He just publicly defended Sanchez as well despite Sanchez being crap. He's always gotten along with his teammates.
The different standards to which Pogba is judged is bizarre. We love Evra and we always had to defend him after his French national team drama.
The different standards to which Pogba is judged is bizarre. We love Evra and we always had to defend him after his French national team drama.
Problem is even with £150 mil we cannot get anyone better as we have seen this summer. Not many world class players want to play for a typical Mourinho team. Pogba despite being a whiny bitch is still more important to us than Mourinho as the latter can be replaced but the former cannot be.
The negativity surrounding the club is not sustainable. Ed doesn't fully trust Jose. Jose and pogba don't like each other. The title has been lost already. Martial and Rashford unhappy due to Sanchez. Most of our players would be unhappy about Sanchez salary. All our defenders have been publically told my Mourinho that they are shit. Lukaku missed the bus again. Something has got to give.
The negativity surrounding the club is not sustainable. Ed doesn't fully trust Jose. Jose and pogba don't like each other. The title has been lost already. Martial and Rashford unhappy due to Sanchez. Most of our players would be unhappy about Sanchez salary. All our defenders have been publically told my Mourinho that they are shit. Lukaku missed the bus again. Something has got to give.
Very good point.
I don't think he's toxic at all, I think the environment is. Very weird for Jose to have found himself in this sort of situation, especially in his third season, I for one am totally baffled, can't explain it. Never happened before.