The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Greck]

At 0:33-0:35 Pogba appears to gesture in the general direction of Shaw and Pereira. I wonder if they’re talking about the video Pogba made at the game.

Don't think It can be because of an ambiguous video. Jose and Pogba probably don't even follow each other on whatever platform it was posted. If it's anything to do with last night it could be them leaving the game early.

 

[In Rainbows]

It looks bad on first glance, but you have to remember that Pogba has been posting vids of him with his teammates this entire season. So I don't think it's right to single out this insta video and ignore the past.

 

[James Peril]

I'd rather have McKenna and Carrick in charge at the moment than Mourinho.
We are not making top4 and we aren't winning anything with Mourinho, every day he's still here is a wasted day. Yes McKenna & Carrick may well mess things up, but it can't be any worse than it is at the moment.

First of all, none of them are managers - one of them is a kid with no real experience - the other a retired footballer not exactly known for his charisma. We made top four last season and we have won stuff with Mourinho already. You are not able to predict the future, hence your post is shit. And yes, McKenna and Carrick would in theory mess things up even more than Mourinho. I am not saying he is the right man anymore, but I am still not open to stupid and irrational solutions. Do you remember Moyes by the way? That's what can happen - and he has a lot more going for him than fecking McKenna and Carrick.

 

[Minimalist]

Just watched the full video there.

Yeah that situation is totally fcuked. One of them has to go by the looks of it.

 

[mancan92]

Whilst I understand that recent results have been below expectations, I really don't understand the 'Mourinho Out' clamour. We've already had the 'Moyes Out' movement and the 'Van Gaal Out' thing in recent years. We really cant keep flip flopping between managers like this just because the team lose a few games. I understand that the tumescent, defensive football is aggravating people, but we knew what we were getting when we appointed him. The thing about playing the 'United Way', just like the West Ham fans talk about the 'West Ham Way', or the Spurs fans talk about the 'Tottenham Way', is sentimental irrelevant horseshit. We have to accept that what is gone, is gone and to hark back to our all conquering period is delusional and unhelpful. The under 35's who grew up on a diet of regular titles and other honours will be finding this very difficult, but if they are finding it too difficult, they always have the option of buggering off and supporting a more successful/attractive team (currently). In the meantime, there is little to be gained in my view with yet another change. Mourinho needs at least another season and probably two to get this team where it needs to be. It will be painful, there will be little in the way of trophies or, indeed entertainment, but to take another risk with another change feels like to big a step. In a year or two's time, if we change, we would have a 'Pochetino Out' or a 'Zidane Out' movement. The only manager that I would readily change Jose for is Guardiola, but I don't see that there is much chance of that.

It's as if that's how football clubs work throughout the world at every level. If you don't succeed then the next person comes in. That's literally how the job works. Managers only last on average 1 and half seasons. Why is this so hard for people to understand ? We will never have a Fergie again. No club will

 

[Cassidy]

I don't believe that Jose was telling Pogba to leave the ground or the club.
For a mature man of his age, that strikes me as very childish.
If he genuinely did not want Pogba to train with the team, then he'd most likely have told Carrick to tell Pogba to get changed, go home and come back tomorrow.

Its Jose, not that I am saying he did tell him to go home, but Jose has form for childish behaviour

 

[mancan92]

I don't believe that Jose was telling Pogba to leave the ground or the club.
For a mature man of his age, that strikes me as very childish.
If he genuinely did not want Pogba to train with the team, then he'd most likely have told Carrick to tell Pogba to get changed, go home and come back tomorrow.

Seems you are mistaking Jose for someone who isn't a reactive egocentric man child

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Do you remember Moyes by the way? That's what can happen

That's what is happening. The little, shrinking man in an oversized puffy coat wildly celebrating an equalizer (a fecking equalizer!) against drastically inferior opposition last night looked a lot like David Moyes vs. Fulham. He's done, if he ever got started, and needs to go because this club demands better. We can handle a caretaker situation of McKenna and Carrick going badly because we don't have high expectations of them. They won't be going to the media talking about what they have won and demanding respect for shite performances.

 

[RedDevil@84]

What on earth has Jose said there to provoke that kind of reaction from Pogba. I'm not being funny but he must be a complete twat to work for, the club need to bin the man before his poison spreads further. Bobby Charlton was right, the guy isn't the right man for Manchester United.

Stop posting giggling s**t on social media, when the team is suffering a defeat.

 

[dove]

Stop posting giggling s**t on social media, when the team is suffering a defeat.

I honestly don't see why are people so upset about this video, do we even know if it was posted when we were losing? Somehow I doubt.

 

[Ramshock]

How exactly has Jose not been backed whilst being here?

He asked for specific players and didnt get them.

 

[Ramshock]

He has been backed though. He's spent a fortune on new players. Are you saying we aren't beating the likes of Wolves and Derby at home because we need to spend even more money? I can't agree with this argument anymore.

Jose has spent a fortune here and he spent a fortune at Chelsea. Doesn't it concern you at all that we're looking very similiar to how it looked at Chelsea in Jose's final days/weeks/months? Aren't the alarm bells ringing for you now or are you one of those fans that have stuck by Jose so far and refuse to change your stance?

Because I was like you, I refused to believe that we could do better without Jose Mourinho as manager. But believe me, we can. We can do so much better.

Again we dont know who is in charge of our transfers

 

[podurban2]

That's what is happening. The little, shrinking man in an oversized puffy coat wildly celebrating an equalizer (a fecking equalizer!) against drastically inferior opposition last night looked a lot like David Moyes vs. Fulham. He's done, if he ever got started, and needs to go because this club demands better. We can handle a caretaker situation of McKenna and Carrick going badly because we don't have high expectations of them. They won't be going to the media talking about what they have won and demanding respect for shite performances.

Amen.

 

[JPRouve]

That's what is happening. The little, shrinking man in an oversized puffy coat wildly celebrating an equalizer (a fecking equalizer!) against drastically inferior opposition last night looked a lot like David Moyes vs. Fulham. He's done, if he ever got started, and needs to go because this club demands better. We can handle a caretaker situation of McKenna and Carrick going badly because we don't have high expectations of them. They won't be going to the media talking about what they have won and demanding respect for shite performances.

It's going to be fun when Carrick has a 46 minutes rant where he demands respect because he won a CL and 5 PL titles.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

It's going to be fun when Carrick has a 46 minutes rant where he demands respect because he won a CL and 5 PL titles.

exactly.

 

[#07]

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People can say I'm wearing red tinted glasses but I don't see anything much in this. They clearly aren't bosom buddies but at the same time its not as though Pogba is squaring up to him or whatever.

The shorter clip that was put out early makes it seem like a major bust up happened. This isn't even handbags.

 

[In Rainbows]

Again we dont know who is in charge of our transfers

This wasn't a narrative until this summer. It's very convenient that now they aren't Mou's players so he gets absolved of blame. A couple of months ago, one of the things Mou was praised for was his transfer business. Now that is no longer the case after Sanchez continues to perform awful, Bailly is benched, Pogba is feuding with Mou, etc...

If a player is awful, that player was not bought by Mou. If a player does well, that player was bought by Mou.


I really don't care if you can't definitively state whether or not Mou is 100% in charge of transfer targets. When LVG was around, this entire board rightly gave LVG crap for his buys. Do we now change the narrative in regards to that too?

 

[Casanova85]

Even if sacked, he can still bounce back in May 2019 as

random order:

-PSG manager
-Portugal NT coach
-Return to Inter

 

[RedDevil@84]

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So does Pogba get to train or was he taken out? Don't think Sky stopped filming after a minute

 

[Mike Oxard]

It's as if that's how football clubs work throughout the world at every level. If you don't succeed then the next person comes in. That's literally how the job works. Managers only last on average 1 and half seasons. Why is this so hard for people to understand ? We will never have a Fergie again. No club will

Spurs have kept Pochetino despite winning nothing. Liverpool kept Klopp despite winning nothing. Mourinho won two trophies in the first season and whilst they were ‘Mickey Mouse’ trophies, they were more than Liverpool, Spurs or even City won that year. If City hadn’t smashed the league last year and won the League Cup, I doubt that City would have jettisoned him. Same goes for Klopp this season if he wins nothing. We have a fantastic manager and the grass is rarely greener (unless, as I said, we can get Guardiola).

 

[RedDevil@84]

I honestly don't see why are people so upset about this video, do we even know if it was posted when we were losing? Somehow I doubt.

I don't really care about the video. I was just making a guess to the question as to what could have made Pogba stop in his tracks.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Guess we’ll see when we play West cause unless he was injured there is no reason you would leave him out of that game.
He certainly say, “Paul get out” then later something to John about “take Paul Pogba ......” can’t make out the rest but it sounds like home and Pogba does not kookiest impressed at all from the way he walked in with the handshakes and high fives. As soon as Jose said something his whole attitude changed.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Again we dont know who is in charge of our transfers

Matic is an ex player of Jose so is Lukaku. Doubt anyone else would buy them for United - especially when the other players we wanted included the likes of willian too. He also said stuff about Rashford & Martial not being his type of striker - Lukaku is. Dalot is a Portuguese player bought by a manager who historically buys Portuguese players at his clubs. Zlatan is an ex player too.

Every player is strong & tall as well - if the chances were 50/50; it does still look like its more prone to José's transfer list.

 

[Ramshock]

This wasn't a narrative until this summer. It's very convenient that now they aren't Mou's players so he gets absolved of blame. A couple of months ago, one of the things Mou was praised for was his transfer business. Now that is no longer the case after Sanchez continues to perform awful, Bailly is benched, Pogba is feuding with Mou, etc...

If a player is awful, that player was not bought by Mou. If a player does well, that player was bought by Mou.


I really don't care if you can't definitively state whether or not Mou is 100% in charge of transfer targets. When LVG was around, this entire board rightly gave LVG crap for his buys. Do we now change the narrative in regards to that too?

There is no narrative change. We were lead to believe that the manager was sole in charge of targets until this summer when he wasnt allowed to buy Alderweireld but the club came out to say we had £100M for Varane. Then the rumblings about Sanchez being a club purchase resurfaced.

I also love that other top teams who spend lots of money are allowed mistakes in the market but apparently Jose isnt.

 

[Ramshock]

Matic is an ex player of Jose so is Lukaku. Doubt anyone else would buy them for United - especially when the other players we wanted included the likes of willian too. He also said stuff about Rashford & Martial not being his type of striker - Lukaku is. Dalot is a Portuguese player bought by a manager who historically buys Portuguese players at his clubs. Zlatan is an ex player too.

Every player is strong & tall as well - if the chances were 50/50; it does still look like its more prone to José's transfer list.

I never said Jose had no targets.

 

[ErranMorad]

Wow! This is not looking good. Even after all the rumors you think that may be there is a chance that it all has been manufactured by the press. This feud is out in the open now. First Jose's statement last night and now asking him to get out as he enters training. Was he late? Or did Jose pre decide that he'll be a dick to him when he comes for training today? Bet Jose knew the press were there capturing this.

Anyway, imo, the best solution will be to get rid of Jose during the International break and let Carrick & McKenna take charge till the end of the season. Then in the summer we can sell Pogba and get Pochettino and Eriksen in. This won't look good if we don't get rid of Pogba either.

 

[Snowjoe]

So does Pogba get to train or was he taken out? Don't think Sky stopped filming after a minute

I’m sure they had more footage, I’m guessing they chose to clip it to whatever length made it look the worst.

 

[In Rainbows]

There is no narrative change. We were lead to believe that the manager was sole in charge of targets until this summer when he wasnt allowed to buy Alderweireld but the club came out to say we had £100M for Varane. Then the rumblings about Sanchez being a club purchase resurfaced.

I also love that other top teams who spend lots of money are allowed mistakes in the market but apparently Jose isnt.

All that means is that Jose is mostly in charge of transfers, but Woodward and the owners have the last say as they usually do. This is especially true at United where we give the manager so much power which I also believe is a problem and why I want a DOF.

 

[b20times]

Wow. That video footage on sky sports. Not good. The bad blood between them is there for all to see. It's embarrassing.
What has happened to this club?

 

[littlepeasoup]

Watched the video through once. Pogba's label is sticking out his top. Will not watch again. Unbearable.

 

[I Am Zlatan]

So does Pogba get to train or was he taken out? Don't think Sky stopped filming after a minute

There are pictures of him training with the squad on instagram. So he did train, I wonder what was said though, I also heard “get out”, definitely nothing good even if he trains and starts on Saturday.

 

[ash_86]

One of the Jose traits is winning but the other one is bringing a cloud of negativity around the club. The Media, press , fans gets sucked into it and it causes a whirlwind of shit storm that seem to engulf everyone. At this point i don't think Jose could turn the situation around and hence it's better to part ways. New manager might bring in a little bit of optimism among the fans and change the rhetoric about the club with the media. We need some normal days out of spotlight where we could just get on with football.

 

[Rash Decision]

Wow. That video footage on sky sports. Not good. The bad blood between them is there for all to see. It's embarrassing.
What has happened to this club?

We did put someone who has history of falling out with the majority of his players at previous clubs in charge of ours. Not really surprising tbh. If he can't turn things around I hope he doesn't manage to sell our best players before he leaves.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Mourinho is literally sitting on Death Row with his CV for his last meal. Someone just put him out of his misery.

I said yesterday but watching that just makes me think even more that we lose to W.Ham on Saturday tea time and he will get the boot. The club can't let this go on any more.

 

[b20times]

We did put someone who has history of falling out with the majority of his players at previous clubs in charge of ours. Not really surprising tbh. If he can't turn things around I hope he doesn't manage to sell our best players before he leaves.

I think it's a straight out war between jose and pogba. Ed can do two things.
1- sell pogba to the highest bidder
Or
2- pay off 30mil to say goodbye to jose.
I know which option I would choose.

 

[Zoo]

Wouldn't be surprising to see Pogba dropped for Saturday as Jose "exerts his authority."

Scott McTominay to the rescue.

 

[Judas]

Even if sacked, he can still bounce back in May 2019 as

random order:

-PSG manager
-Portugal NT coach
-Return to Inter

PSG won't go anywhere near him. He'd be an absolute disaster there. It's not like he's even had any recent European success which is what they're desperate for.

 

[Zlatattack]

Mourinho is literally sitting on Death Row with his CV for his last meal. Someone just put him out of his misery.

I said yesterday but watching that just makes me think even more that we lose to W.Ham on Saturday tea time and he will get the boot. The club can't let this go on any more.

I really feel bad for saying this, but maybe it'd be for the best if we lost a couple of games.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

It’s getting worse. He needs to go now.

 

[Rash Decision]

I think it's a straight out war between jose and pogba. Ed can do two things.
1- sell pogba to the highest bidder
Or
2- pay off 30mil to say goodbye to jose.
I know which option I would choose.

He could pick option 3 and do both, but I'd still pick option 2.