The way that Pogba left Le Havre and United the first time show that he has no qualms about going after whatever is the best for him (and/or his agent) in any situation. That is what is happening here too. And in a weird way I don't blame him for wanting to move - a footballer's career is short and if he wants to move to win more trophies (or even to earn more money) then that is fine. The way that he is going about things is an absolute disgrace though, and there would be total uproar about it if it wasn't for the fact that so many people are so invested in laying all the blame on Mourinho.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Ideally both Mourinho and Pogba should go, along with Woodward and half the squad. But as always in football, it's the manager.
I hate to see player power, especially United players who have proven year after year how mediocre they are but there we are. We are not a football club.
I hate to see player power, especially United players who have proven year after year how mediocre they are but there we are. We are not a football club.
Somewhat agree with your first point.
Strongly disagree with your second.
Exactly. I would actually have more faith in Mou to start winning things if we saw legit counter attacks. They're hardly there though.
So I'm guessing you're one of those who wanted Sir Alex gone in 04?
As soon as we start backing players over the manager, it's over
The two of them will be gone, in January and in the summer. Just wait it out.
It's absolute insanity if the club back Pogba over Mourinho.
The club back Pogba, sack Mourinho, player power wins, Pogba fecks off anyways and we're left with a reputation of giving in to player power.
It's a no win situation if we do that.
When I say we, I mean the club.
The season is fecked anyways. Just have to hope Chelsea win it
The two of them will be gone, in January and in the summer. Just wait it out.
It's absolute insanity if the club back Pogba over Mourinho.
The club back Pogba, sack Mourinho, player power wins, Pogba fecks off anyways and we're left with a reputation of giving in to player power.
It's a no win situation if we do that.
When I say we, I mean the club.
The season is fecked anyways. Just have to hope Chelsea win it
Haha look at the things you just listed for pogba yet you just spent a whole page downplaying every piece of nonsense Jose has spouted since he got here.
It's hard to believe you aren't Jose himself.
Sir Alex Ferguson who had won a treble in 99 and three league titles since then (prior to a difficult period when he finished 3rd, 3rd and 2nd)?
Cracking comparison I must say.
But for the record, no.
Yes, we should not buy a potential future best midfielder in the world because Jose can't get along with him. Instead we will buy "warriors" in the mold of Willian I suppose.
When the manager has been doing for 2 years and actively calls out said player many times and leaked private conversations in the media to embarrass said player. It's not hard to work out.
Yeah in 2012 Fergie has commented many times since then blaming riola
As I said before, "spent his time building a siege mentality instead of building a trebuchet".
Seems to me he wanted to remind everyone that United are not as big as we think anymore "heritage", not freak results but "heritage"
Seems he is also suggesting that Sevilla has better players than United.
I wonder why Jose didn't sign any Sevilla players in the summer.
This was a disrespect.
Agreed, but I don't recall this being a problem historically for Jose's teams. I can't say I saw his Porto or Inter teams play but neither Chelsea or Madrid were ever this bad. I get we don't have the talent of Madrid but even during his second Chelsea term his teams weren't like this.
Yeah like what happened at Chelsea and Madrid....... oh wait they were fine when they picked the players over Jose. Weird
You freely admit that Jose has performed poorly enough in his role as manager to warrant the sack, but doing so in September would be wrong. I disagree.
The longer Jose Mourinho remains in charge of our club, the further the chasm between United and City (some might include Liverpool) opens up. The longer he remains coaching and guiding our players, the longer that toxic atmosphere currently surrounding the dressing room will remain.
It seems no one can list a solitary positive in Jose Mourinho remaining manager of our club. That's pretty damning in itself if you ask me.
At this point what is the point of having 2 threads if the same discussions with the same people are in both ? This isn't even a positivf thread anymore I mean.
Eh? 2 years? Get your facts straight - it's embarrassing. As recently as April Mourinho was defending Pogba in the press when Scholes was criticising him. Scholesy described him as 'disrespecting the club' even back then in April - we know that Scholes is definitely no Mourinho lover. The only criticism I can remember from Mourinho in the press was what he said during the summer whilst being a pundit during the World Cup. And most of that was pretty mild in the scheme of things - in fact, I reckon most of us would have agreed with what he was saying having watched Pogab week-in week-out for the last couple of seasons.
I agree with this. I would have much preferred it if Jose had stuck to his guns and continued to play the way he felt was best. Sit deep, give nothing away, especially since our defence is poor and try to use a direct counter-attacking style to win games. The constant theme of parking the bus and boring football seems to have really gotten to him, we definitely trying to press more and push forward but we're so open, fullbacks constantly being caught out of position, the distance between the 2 centre halves sometimes is so ridiculous but they're contantly having to go around putting out fires and we don't have those typical ball retaining midfielders a la Carrick and Scholes who can retain possession and make life easier for the backline.
Maybe it's me but that doesnt really sound that bad...
It's difficult to have a positive thread on a subject in which there's no positivity to be found.
Hasn't Jose won a treble, hasn't Jose won league titles?
I'm not even a huge fan of the man but the criticism of him doesn't seem to be based on facts and reality. If Sir alex's previous record was enough to warrant him keeping the job in tough times, why does the same not apply to Mourinho?
Actually read my post he has been calling out "players" for 2 years. You don't think players talk between themselves or discuss what mourinho is doing? Also it started in February after the Newcastle match when pogba was ill
He won them for other clubs, a long time ago. All that matters is what he's done for United, and so far that's very little.
Do you genuinely believe that Pogba's current situation is based purely out of desire to stick up for those players that have been criticised by their manager?!
And so Pogba decided to become the national super hero for the other players and replay on Mourinho in their place after telling Ed in summer that he wants out from the club and had agreed terms with Barca ?!
Firstly I will state I am an Arsenal fan for my sins.
But I think that everyone knows how and what Mourinhio does, and I never thought he was suited to Man Utd or at least the Man Utd I have seen in the last 20 years, for the similar reasons he did not suit Real Madrid even if he was partly successful there.
He wants to create a them vs us underdog backs to the wall mentality, he always needs an enemy and respects nothing or nobody, I don't feel that he loves football, or sees any beauty in the game, he is pure pragmatic, for these reasons I think he can't succeed ant Man Utd, as your history is to play attacking football. I don't think he cares about how entertaining the play is he only cares about trophies and his own ego, and if looks like the trophies are not coming then he starts attacking everything around him, the suits at the club, the players, the media, the owner, the medical staff, the fans, the history of the club until he gets sacked. I think he is at the stage he wants to get sacked.
He does better at a small club or one that has no style/history like chelsea or are really desperate for a trophy they "sell out" to clown antics for a trophy. It used to at least have the payout of a title, but I think now he has been left behind, the english clubs have so many game changers even at the smaller clubs, it is hard to win 1-0, 2-0 and he does not know how to change. I think your club should get shot of him and get somebody in that is more aligned with the clubs stature/history. somebody forward thinking with an attacking style.
I think he burns out attacking players, telling them they don't track back enough, then tell them they don't create enough.
I don't think any of the managerial choices after Fergie have been a correct match, but then how many great attacking coaches are there to get at the moment.
But I think that everyone knows how and what Mourinhio does, and I never thought he was suited to Man Utd or at least the Man Utd I have seen in the last 20 years, for the similar reasons he did not suit Real Madrid even if he was partly successful there.
He wants to create a them vs us underdog backs to the wall mentality, he always needs an enemy and respects nothing or nobody, I don't feel that he loves football, or sees any beauty in the game, he is pure pragmatic, for these reasons I think he can't succeed ant Man Utd, as your history is to play attacking football. I don't think he cares about how entertaining the play is he only cares about trophies and his own ego, and if looks like the trophies are not coming then he starts attacking everything around him, the suits at the club, the players, the media, the owner, the medical staff, the fans, the history of the club until he gets sacked. I think he is at the stage he wants to get sacked.
He does better at a small club or one that has no style/history like chelsea or are really desperate for a trophy they "sell out" to clown antics for a trophy. It used to at least have the payout of a title, but I think now he has been left behind, the english clubs have so many game changers even at the smaller clubs, it is hard to win 1-0, 2-0 and he does not know how to change. I think your club should get shot of him and get somebody in that is more aligned with the clubs stature/history. somebody forward thinking with an attacking style.
I think he burns out attacking players, telling them they don't track back enough, then tell them they don't create enough.
I don't think any of the managerial choices after Fergie have been a correct match, but then how many great attacking coaches are there to get at the moment.
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This isn't about Jose Mourinho, it's about the manager of Manchester United.
I don't particularly want us to become clubs like them. I agree with Alex Ferguson's viewpoint on it.
I just posted what I think. I'm not asking for a debate or a response. Nor did I want one tbh.
Carry on...
This statement is just plain ridiculous. The fact that Man. United is a global brand is what generates revenue through TV ratings and merchandise. Where do you think our precious club would be right now without all the support it has around the globe?
Just the fact I can't book a flight to England every week it doesn't make me less of a fan than you or anyone, or that I'm less aware about the club issues or that I should be less entitled to an opinion.
A dumb person in a stadium is still dumb, like the point you tried to make.
Of course it isn't the same. The moment a player speaks out against the manager you've got problems. He's a subordinate of the manager and is meant to buy into his way of playing. The moment he speaks out against it you have a serious problem - just look at what all of the ex players have said about it in their take (in dressing room matters their opinion would be valuable given the experience).
Mourinho has protected Pogba more than he's slated him. Too much protection in fact. I find it bizzare you find a manager deflecting questions in the press to protect his players (ie after Sevilla) comparable to a player speaking out against his boss in public interviews. I think our discussion has ran it's course, and I'd rather not visit this thread anymore.
I said the majority of fans will know feck all. There are lots of great supporters of the club who can't travel too.
Match going fans are very divided. If there was a viable and available alternative the “out” faction would be more vocal. They are the ones suffering the dirge we’ve been serving up for the past five years the most.
If that's the case we wouldn't hear Jose's name being sung so loudly around the stadium. Anyway il leave this as my last post in the thread.
LVG thought the same. I think we just have supportive matchday fans. They'd chant Osama bin laden if he was the manager
No I believe there is a growing frustration from the players towards Jose for a variety of reasons and slot of them probably share the same feelings. The reason why pogba has spoken up is because he likely is the biggest personality in the dressing room and is someone who is more brave to speak his mind and defend himself because he gets the most criticism.
I don't think his name resonated quite as much in the embers of the final season? In FA cup games sure.
He has never said that and all the Barca stuff was debunked already don't even know why your bringing it up. Pogba has openly many times talked about his commitment to the team and what is clear is that the other players look to pogba. He is the best friend of everyone.
Even when things were really really bad they were still singing his name every week and cheering the team hard. It's at OT where the crowd atmosphere was notably deflated
He told Ed he wanted to leave before the Leicester game. Not just the Mail reporting it now even the Telegraph and Ducker. If you don't want to believe it because it's not good news for you then it's up to you, even though it makes perfect sense considering Barca made an official offer for him.
Mate it hasn't been confirmed anywhere but even if he has it doesn't even make a different it just adds to the story of him being frustrated under mourinho for several reasons which honestly are understandable and it's no coincidence that it happens with big players at every club Jose is at.
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