No Jardim doesn't attack a lot, it happened one season with a set of players that weren't good defensively but very good going forward. Otherwise he is balanced.
Monaco (and Jardim) appreciation thread | Sacked
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So why are so many seemingly keen on him then?
Well yes, being at a big club does make a difference. Bizarre to suggest otherwise. You're trying to make out he's got a bunch of amateurs playing for him. I've listed some of the players he had playing in their last game. You clearly have a hard on for the bloke. Inexcusable to have 0 wins in 7 and 1 all season.
Because he is a good coach, I guess. Though some have the wrong idea that he is attack minded.
Only 1% of the posters actually know how his teams play. The rest saw one or two games of their great UCL run where teams were tactically broken resulting in a goals galore. Ah and they had a couple of great talents in Mbappe and Silva so it means he's also good with youth.
Monaco has been working well under the hood, snapping young promising players all over the world, but it seems they slowed down on the transfers in the last couple years.
He did really well with a mixture of experienced and young players. Something we have at United. He also resurrected Falcao and changed his game after his injuries. He has extremely good man management skills too. People say he went balanced, that was because he lost his key attacking players in 1 summer.
The likes of Silva, Mendy, Mbappe were key to him playing attacking football. He also made Bakayoko look good. Losing key players in a paper thin squad was his downfall and something any manager would struggle with. If Klopp lost Mane, Salah and Van Dijk and had little control over replacements, things would look different for him. Thats what happened to Jardim.
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So the last game where they spent half of the game at 10 came back and then conceded on a wonder goal? And the name of the club has zero meaning, Monaco doesn't have a particularly good team with season. It's not about having a hard on, I definitely appreciated his work at Monaco but I don't really want him at United, I don't think that he is a good fit from a character standpoint.
What I don't get here is that Monaco fans were pessimistic this summer and melting down, I was personally perplexed but apparently you have a totally different opinion of players that you don't know at all. There is also no way to claim that it's inexcusable when you actually watch the games, they played two of the top 3 and it was close games like every other league games but they lacked the talent and experience provided by the injured players.
You’re not a driver just because you can park.I don’t even agree with this, it was just too funny not to post.
Its a damn sight better than 75% of the league. Yes, that game when they played Rennes, at home. Of course. They deserve enormous respect for battling out a draw against Nimes and keeping the defeat to Angers to within one goal.
Oh yeah. Raggi, Sidibe, Tielemans, Golovin and Falcao. Who is that bunch of fodder...
Again, stop making out they are playing a bunch of amateurs, it's pathetic. 18th place is not good enough, no matter how much bullshit you try to spin.
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Golovin was injured until late september, Sidibé isn't the same since his knee injury, Tielemans is extremely inconsistent and Raggi has never been a player mentioned in anything, he was also sent off at the end of the first half. And I said that it wasn't surprising not that it was good enough, it's not surprising because of the actual team that played during these 2 first months.Its a damn sight better than 75% of the league. Yes, that game when they played Rennes, at home.
Oh yeah. Raggi, Sidibe, Tielemans, Golovin and Falcao. Who is that bunch of fodder...
Is it fair to say that Jardim has only had one season in his entire career at the standard suitable for United?
Is it also fair to say that apart from that one stellar season he hasn’t played the same quality attacking football?
Is it also fair to say that apart from that one stellar season he hasn’t played the same quality attacking football?
He is 44, born in Barcelona, won a couple of league titles, gives youth a chance, plays attacking football to some extent (I don't watch a lot but from what I have seen), is a good man manager (from what I hear - correct me if wrong). We could get him for free and I've no doubt he will not say no. My only concern is whether he can handle egos such as Pogba, Sanchez, Martial and co.
Personally Zidane is the one for me, we need a manager in thay dressing, someone to whip that team to shape. A shoulder for the players to lean on, a sponge to soak the pressure. I don't know about Jardim but I think Zidane is better qualified for that. The only worry about Zidane for me is his football is not the most exciting in the world, but then again good enough from what we have seen in 5 years.
Personally Zidane is the one for me, we need a manager in thay dressing, someone to whip that team to shape. A shoulder for the players to lean on, a sponge to soak the pressure. I don't know about Jardim but I think Zidane is better qualified for that. The only worry about Zidane for me is his football is not the most exciting in the world, but then again good enough from what we have seen in 5 years.
So we want a coach who got sacked for being in a relegation zone?
Then again you hired Mourinho who got sacked while sitting at 16th with Chelsea! That being said, it's not that outlandish to say that the current Jardim might be a better coach than the 2015 Mourinho.
No thanks, take a look at Jose. We got the defeated, grumpy Jose. Not again.
Do you think he can do it United? United lack the likes of Modric and Kroos.
Yeh. And then againt 3/4 of us wants him gone, and how he's outdated and past his sale by date
So when I said it wasn't good enough, why did you quote me to disagree with me?
Jardim isn't outdated though
His 16/17 season was brilliant. Made Falcao look like a world class striker again. Should be in contention to be the next United manager.
That sounds good then as we don't have a stellar defence but we have some talented attacking players. The fact that he's adaptable only strikes me as a good thing and at United he'd have better backing than at his previous clubs.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Not too sure what the Jardim hype is all about. I've only seen a bunch of Monaco games but only in the Champions League. Sure they played fairly attractive football, but that isn't enough to have a proper assessment. Would love it if any avid watchers of Ligue 1 give us a proper feedback as to whether he'd be a good fit for United.
Monaco being in the relegation zone doesn't exactly look promising, does it.
Because a lot of people focus on the season where Monaco won the Ligue 1 and reached the CL semis with lots of goals scored.
Like @JPRouve said, it was a bit of a freak season because many of their players had their best ever seasons at the same time.
Jardim isn't like that usually, he is a great manager, it's just that Monaco's model isn't built for long term success. At some point he has to leave
That's a little harsh tbh. It's impossible to domore than do he did for Monaco considering their club policy.
United's standards mean feck all tbh, we need to get off our high horse. We are not special, we are a big club that overpays its players and managers. I am not saying we should get him but judging by arbitrary standards, we will think no one is good enough
He's my natural first choice to success Mourinho. I can only echo what other posters have said here in regards to him not being an attacking coach, it's true from what I've seen, he seems to be a pragmatic just like Mourinho and that's why I think he's a natural fit if we want to stabilise the club and create some vision going forward. People delude themselves if they think we'll go for some ultra-attacking coach who'll instantly turn things around, we'll basically go from same transition like we did from shit Moyes to possession boreball of LVG to whatever it is not possession based football under Mourinho. We'll need another couple of years go 'rebuild' and redo it all and in the meantime the manager, whoever it will be, will get sacked too.
And that was the only season it happened to him, in addition to his lonn CV.... the situations aren't comparable at all.
Because since most people had questions about the ideal starting eleven and then that a substantial part of the starters got injured your hyperbole is surprising, particularly when you seemingly didn't knew who was injured, who replaced them and how the games went, i.e Rennes.
The start of this season is mainly the fruit of two poor transfer summers where the club sold most of the team and didn't replace them with equivalent quality. Most of the players added aren't ready for the top half of the league and the ones that are, Golovin or Henrichs, were injured or joined late.
We went from Mourinho & Conte to Sarri and he changed the way we played within 2 weeks of meeting the squad.
It’s really not that hard to change a team’s playing style, providing the players are open to change. I’m pretty sure 90% of your squad is fed up with Jose’s “style” so there shouldn’t be any issues there for you. Having said that, it’s funny reading comments in this thread from people who think Jardim is an attacking coach - UCL highlights fans?
Thanks.
Its no surprise when you lose your best attacking players. Think he could get us playing attacking football with the players we have got. He defiantly isn't a defensive coach like Conte or Mourinho.
If Mourinho does go, I wouldn't mind him as caretaker until end of season, this is assuming he gets sacked from Monaco. Least we can see what improvements he would make on the pitch and tactics and then review at the end of the season before giving him a deal. If we are much better to watch and the players have positive reaction to him as a manager then give him the cash to spend in the summer to improve the squad.
But no, Jardim won the Greek league with the biggest and richest side in the country, so he's exactly like Mourinho and Klopp!
Klopp also had his team hovering in the bottom half of the table before coming to Liverpool. Question is whether or not the manager in question is still on the up as a manager and is he managing a team which is a selling club in which case it is excusable to a degree. For me Jardims work at Monaco shouldn’t be tainted by what has happened this season. Imagine his side with Martial and Mbappé for instance.
feck me you're being pretentious. I have a differing opinion (which lo, you agree with in principle anyway) and it's because I don't know who anyone is or who played.
Half of them might not be ready for top half football, but the other half sure as shit is. They haven't signed equivalent quality as replacements, but the players brought in still equate to close to £130mil. Bringing in inferior players doesn't automatically make them cannon fodder. No matter how desperate you are to paint the rhetoric of Monaco now being minnows of the league, with no players available whatsoever, they still have more than enough available to be above the relegation zone. At no point have I said they should be fighting for the title, or anything else of that nature, but to excuse them for having no wins in 7 and 1 all season is pathetic.
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That's why I asked you questions first. And your mention of the 130m just highlight the issue, Golovin has been out, Geubbels is a 17 years old player not meant to play for the first team yet, Henrichs came late and has been average, Aholou and Pelé are just bad, Barreca is Henrichs competition and below average, I don't know about Chadli and the rest are young players for the future.
Now, I do apologize for the tone.
Jardim isn't necessarily outdated, but I don't think you're going to see tangible improvement from him vis-à-vis Mourinho when you consider some of the things the latter is criticized for. For instance, the rudimentary nature of his attacking schemes where the team is just asked to counter and the success is predicated on individual quality and athleticism on the break (worked really well in Madrid for a bit — less so at Chelsea II and United, particularly when the defensive balance was disrupted), but Jardim is the same in a lot of ways — and even with peak Monaco, his inability to formulate diverse/intelligent attacking patterns and install a more exhaustive attacking scheme was exploited by Allegri in the Champions League, for reference. He's rightly lauded for Monaco's sizzling attack with Mbappé and Falcao and Silva and Lemar, but that was an anomaly for his career — a perfect storm where he gave in and the forwards ran riot with Mendy/Sidibé on the overlap. Apart from that high, his teams are generally quite cagey, and don't score a lot of goals for, either...if you consider some of his teams over the last decade:
1.8 goals per game at Braga
2.1 goals per game at Olympiakos
1.3 goals per game at Beira Mar
2.2 goals per game at SCP
1.3 league goals per game in his first season at Monaco, 1.5 league goals per game in the second
Even though José isn't in the best moment of his career right now, he's still a better manager than Jardim — United must avoid the honey-trap of employing a non-elite coach just to get rid of Mourinho...the grass isn't always greener, etc.
I don't get when people say they don't want a manager because his current team is not doing so good. We all know he plays attacking football, plays youth etc why don't we give him a chance? Do you know where Pep will be if he was in this guys situation selling his best players? It's like saying we shouldn't hire Poch because he has not won the league, or Liverpool shouldn't have hired Klopp because of that terrible season with Dortmund. Hell our current manager was bottom table in his last job before he came here. Wish we'd get him
Sorry was talking about Jardim. Was just name dropping Zidane and saying he's as much as a risk.
Our squad was finally fed up with the playing style of each manager we've had ever since SAF departed so I cannot really bring myself to go by what they want or not anymore. Last first part of the season we've had some matches when we were a high scoring team with some neat attacking football, scoring 4 against WHU, Swansea, Everton, Burton, CSKA, CP, Newcastle or Watford, so I guess his style didn't hinder our players as much as, for some reason, it does this season and it did in the second half of the season when things started going to shit.
So yeah, they'll be open to a change at first until they decide they don't want this style anymore and for some reason it doesn't suit them. I mean, they were happy with LVG's possession ball at first as well just to hear how shit it was once he got sacked. I'd give yourself some time before warming up to Sarri too (as much as I liked his Napoli), when your players will be fed up with him as they were with Conte, you'll probably go to shit too.
Yeah, that's what I think after reading your thoughts yesterday. I don't doubt he's a good coach but perhaps some have the wrong impression.